10' 150lb Lizard

Or at least she thought she was!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/100_3602.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/100_3603.jpg

:taz: Ferocious!

I LOVE those things :)

hahaha what is that

Elgaria multicarinata (Northern Alligator lizard)? but I could be very wrong. Cute little one, what ever it may be lol :D

ATTITUDE!! love it!!

this may sound funny coming from a dude but - Bro get those fingers touched up... a littel lotion goes a LONG way

Soooo cute!!!! :P

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

this may sound funny coming from a dude but - Bro get those fingers touched up... a littel lotion goes a LONG way

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LOL, I was using paint thinner practically all day, thats why my fingers were all dry. Plus my manicurist was out of town.;)

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

Elgaria multicarinata (Northern Alligator lizard)? but I could be very wrong. Cute little one, what ever it may be lol :D

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bing bing bing bing, we have a winner!

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

bing bing bing bing, we have a winner!

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I'm voting E. multicarinata , Southern Alli.


Cheers,
Kat

northern alli has dark eyes, southern and panamint have yellow eyes.........

:O


~Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

northern alli has dark eyes, southern and panamint have yellow eyes.........

:O


~Kat

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I have actually found both here in my yard. They are all closely related.

Look at this one

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzool.../galliwasp.JPG

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

I'm voting E. multicarinata , Southern Alli.


Cheers,
Kat

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I second that one... These guys are all over the Place in Cali... Them and the western Blue Bellies... Or Fence Lizards... You can go out in the morning when it's cold and turn over a log to find tons of them sleeping, when they are cold you can collect them like easter eggs.

nah dog, its an alligator lizard

This is a blue belly!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/100_3509.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/100_3510.jpg

Awww, lol, it's so cute!

Don't want to Hi Jack but ithought this would be a good place to post this. Check out the little Blue Belly I caught and kept and fed for a week or two before we released him to go mate some other ladies in the yard...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6038.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6041.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6044.jpg

Hehe.. Damn Pat your quick bro!

Yeah I was saying the Alligators and the Blue Bellies are the common Cali lizards.

aaaah i totally misread your post! LOL. blue bellies are everywhere here!

The blue bellies are cool! Love that color.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

Don't want to Hi Jack but ithought this would be a good place to post this. Check out the little Blue Belly I caught and kept and fed for a week or two before we released him to go mate some other ladies in the yard...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6038.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6041.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/100_6044.jpg

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Judging from the last picture you have a Western Sagebrush Female there. But I'm sure she appreciated being turned loose to wreak havoc amongst the males doing pushups out there in The Big Bad.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I have actually found both here in my yard. They are all closely related.

Look at this one

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzool.../galliwasp.JPG

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...hybrids?

Congrats man!

....those buggers are still on my list. I need to get my butt off the couch....away from this...from the tv :teevee:.....I need to get outdoors! :rolleye2:

NICE FIND!! :number1:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Judging from the last picture you have a Western Sagebrush Female there. But I'm sure she appreciated being turned loose to wreak havoc amongst the males doing pushups out there in The Big Bad.

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I thought it was a female at first as well since the Blue on the belly was not as vivid as I have seen before... But you can't tell from the pics.. Theyre was a beutiful yellow/orange coloration underneathe his back legs, according to my research only males display this trait.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

I thought it was a female at first as well since the Blue on the belly was not as vivid as I have seen before... But you can't tell from the pics.. Theyre was a beutiful yellow/orange coloration underneathe his back legs, according to my research only males display this trait.

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From personal experience, having had eggs laid by individuals showing such colours, I will say that I think you are incorrect in the guessing of the masculinity of that lizard.

You are right about there being a bunch of them out there though.

Your probably right... I have never bred them... Is what I read correct though?? Is it only the males that have the color patterns on the back/under side of there legs?

I thought it was a real lizard that big :( :P

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Originally Posted by wilomn

From personal experience, having had eggs laid by individuals showing such colours, I will say that I think you are incorrect in the guessing of the masculinity of that lizard.

You are right about there being a bunch of them out there though.

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I am really interested in your anwser to my last question... Pats pics are clearer than mine... But at the bottom of the pic you can see the orange pattern on the back of the legs... I looked into it more and so far everything I reads says this means it was a male, as ONLY males display that pattern. I would trust your opinion having supposedly bred these; but I ask, respectfully, because I did not simply "guess the masculinity of the lizard"... I actually researched it at came to an educated conclusion. You can barely see it in the blurry pic of my guys underbelly, but he does have that orange pattern on the rear of his legs... Am I mistaken that this means Male?

:PI know this really doesnt matter, especially since I released the Lizard already, but studying herps is my hobby and I always love to take the opportunity to learn something new.

LOL haha
One mean little critter!

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

I am really interested in your anwser to my last question... Pats pics are clearer than mine... But at the bottom of the pic you can see the orange pattern on the back of the legs... I looked into it more and so far everything I reads says this means it was a male, as ONLY males display that pattern. I would trust your opinion having supposedly bred these; but I ask, respectfully, because I did not simply "guess the masculinity of the lizard"... I actually researched it at came to an educated conclusion. You can barely see it in the blurry pic of my guys underbelly, but he does have that orange pattern on the rear of his legs... Am I mistaken that this means Male?

:PI know this really doesnt matter, especially since I released the Lizard already, but studying herps is my hobby and I always love to take the opportunity to learn something new.

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You are indeed mistaken. The pics you have are a girl. I collect data on these monsters all the time. It has to do with the lighter coloring and reduced blue of the belly (along with flecking in the sides when the females are gravid). Males are very prominent throat and belly blue and generally have a 'beefier' look (how I think of it) to them. The orange patterning on the hind legs can be deceiving and is used more for differentiating between close species (ie S. graciosus).

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
Kat

Okay, I just got what you were saying. You're not talking about the leg pattern on the top (dorsal) side of the hind leg, you're looking at the femoral pores??? Here is where it is tricky...... Males have "larger" more prominent femoral pores, but girls still have these pores and can look like juvenile males in some cases. It's not really a definitive in S. occi.

Part of the problem with ID'ing this genus is the variation and overlap of ranges of these guys. We're still doing DNA work to determine the phylogeny (mostly it's James Archie at CSU Long Beach). and Occi is not the easiest species to sex. Here are a few male and female together pics, but don't get confused because in 'this' case, the female has fairly small, unobtrusive femoral pores. It's more to give you an idea of coloring differences........ female on the left, of course.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...sternfence.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ternfenced.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ternfenceb.jpg

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
Kat

Hey, sorry, just caught up on this thread.

The Janelady has the right of it.

Nice... Thanks Kat for your post... Very informative... Im going to pick your brain a little more if you don't mind. The coloration I was referring to Shows up on the Male in your shot and not on the female, As I had previously thought. The patern I am referring to is not dorsal. When You turn them over on their back like that, the Goldish Yellow pattern that lines the underside of their back legs. I just want to make it clear that this is what I am questioning. Are these the "pores" you are reffering to? In the specimen I was observing this pattern was very vibrant. This is what led me to believe it was a male. Thanks Guys... I find this facsinating.

With scelops around here, it has always been easiest to just look at the tail base to determine sex. Most of ours have a pretty distinct color difference though.

A male
http://www.southernherper.com/Photos...-06/fence1.jpg
http://www.southernherper.com/Photos...-06/fence2.jpg
http://www.southernherper.com/Photos...-06/fence3.jpg
http://www.southernherper.com/Photos...-06/fence4.jpg