blue eyed lucy's

I was wondering how much are blue eyed lucy's worth. You could buy 2 mojos for almost nothing. So I am confused as to why there arent more out there. Is it because you cant really do anything with a all white snake. or are they hard to produce being mostly a freak occurance. thanks.

Itsjust that, mojos are cheap ( If you would call $500 cheap...) and do not do so well in some projects as a lesser or butter might ( keyword might) do. I think people would rather buy a Lesser bel or Lessxmo bel than a just mo bel that will have a grey tint.


Bels are worth around $4000

Ok I guess that makes sense. I was just thinking because I am currently trying to buy a mojo. I figured that once I produced some pastaves that I would try to breed that back to the mojo or even breed two pastaves together. Man tell me if im not thinking way in the future. lol.

what would 2 pastaves make as opposed to 2 mojos? Im assuming bel but would there be anything special about it?

There is a chance that you would make a super pastel bel at best, but I do not think you could tell if it was a super or even a pastel unless the eyes are different. I think ralph davis has a clutch like this and all he could say is that one he thinks might be a pastel is VERY white.

Would using pastaves (or MoTels) help get rid of the purple head found on mojo bel's?

The other big reason you haven't seen more BEL's from Mojave to Mojave, is that Mojaves are cheap now, but 2 years ago, Mojaves were still about $2,500 and 3 years ago, they were still abou $5,000. Which means that to be producing BEL's, you would have had to have bought a female at minimum 2 years (to make them this year). There just aren't alot of people out there with breedable female Mojaves.

It seems to me that alot of people forget about how long it takes to raise a female (which is paramount in making supers). It's easy to crank out the Heterozygous from of a co-dominant triat animal, but getting the Homozygous form takes a female, and typically 3 years of work.

I hope that helps explain why BEL's aren't cheap yet.

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The other big reason you haven't seen more BEL's from Mojave to Mojave, is that Mojaves are cheap now, but 2 years ago, Mojaves were still about $2,500 and 3 years ago, they were still abou $5,000. Which means that to be producing BEL's, you would have had to have bought a female at minimum 2 years (to make them this year). There just aren't alot of people out there with breedable female Mojaves.

It seems to me that alot of people forget about how long it takes to raise a female (which is paramount in making supers). It's easy to crank out the Heterozygous from of a co-dominant triat animal, but getting the Homozygous form takes a female, and typically 3 years of work.

I hope that helps explain why BEL's aren't cheap yet.

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Excellent point. This would also go for a lot of other designer morphs too, wouldn't it? Like Bumblebees. A few years ago they were worth more then a new car. Now they are more like a couple of car payments. I'm hoping the price drops some more this year as well.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

The other big reason you haven't seen more BEL's from Mojave to Mojave, is that Mojaves are cheap now, but 2 years ago, Mojaves were still about $2,500 and 3 years ago, they were still abou $5,000. Which means that to be producing BEL's, you would have had to have bought a female at minimum 2 years (to make them this year). There just aren't alot of people out there with breedable female Mojaves.

It seems to me that alot of people forget about how long it takes to raise a female (which is paramount in making supers). It's easy to crank out the Heterozygous from of a co-dominant triat animal, but getting the Homozygous form takes a female, and typically 3 years of work.

I hope that helps explain why BEL's aren't cheap yet.

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So is there not alot of people out there with breedable females like cinnys, mojos, spiders, and lessers. Because they adult females people have now are ones they paid 2000 for?

You can also make a Lucy with a mojave and a lesser. I heard it cleans up the gray head some. If you don't like that.

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So is there not alot of people out there with breedable females like cinnys, mojos, spiders, and lessers. Because they adult females people have now are ones they paid 2000 for?

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I don't fully understand what you are asking. I was just stating that the original poster wanted to know why BELs were still so expensive compared to Mojaves. The main reason being that it requires an adult female Mojave to produce Supers, but only an adult normal female to produce Mojaves. There are alot more adult Normals around than adult Mojave females.

There is a huge price difference between Lucys and Hets. Other than the fact that you need adult female het Lucys to make Lucys you also have to consider that a het to het breeding only gives you 25% visual. We first produced Lucys in 2004 but this is the first year we are breeding Lucy to Lucy and that will start to change the prices and make them more comparable to hets versus visuals in other morphs like albinos and pieds.

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There is a huge price difference between Lucys and Hets. Other than the fact that you need adult female het Lucys to make Lucys you also have to consider that a het to het breeding only gives you 25% visual. We first produced Lucys in 2004 but this is the first year we are breeding Lucy to Lucy and that will start to change the prices and make them more comparable to hets versus visuals in other morphs like albinos and pieds.

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Amir, it is nice to see you join us. I look foward to hearing your insight on BP info. Good to have you aboard:salute:

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Originally Posted by snakelady

You can also make a Lucy with a mojave and a lesser. I heard it cleans up the gray head some. If you don't like that.

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My Lesser x Mojave do have a white head. Too bad he still have the yellow dorsal stripe
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/bel-head.jpg

I agree that adult het Lucy females are hard to find. It takes three years to grow those girls up. I have some 05 female Lessers that are not going to go and it is very frustrating!

Amir it is great to see you over here. Where you a year ago!

Brock :banana:

I like the mojaves purple head, the ivory's yellow stripe just as much as a pure white snake. Gives it character.