How many times??

I cant tell you how many times Ive heard never swim around sunrise or sunset... Sucks to be this guy but I cant say I feel bad..

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I cant tell you how many times Ive heard never swim around sunrise or sunset... Sucks to be this guy but I cant say I feel bad..

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Why not :confused:.I think its still a sad thing to happen.What if he is related to someone here? Its not like he went out there to be killed.

That is a horrible tragedy...

Why dont I feel bad??? Because its his fault he got attacked... To be attacked in the middle of the day could be seen as a fluke... But he was attacked in the morning when research has shown they are actively hunting around sunrise and sundown.

If I handed you a M80 that was lit and told you it would blow your hand off in 5 seconds if you dont toss it would you hold onto it?? Ive heard it 100 times that they eat in the morning and at night and if I ever vist Cali you sure as hell wont find me in the water during those times.

HIS FAULT?!??!?! He didnt wake up and go, "hmm sharks are right now at 7am, im gonna go swim.

There is only 70 shark attacks worlwide everyyear. He didnt plan this. And for you to sit here and be all high and mighty and say it was "his fault" you make me sick dude.

Im a surfer, and i surf in the morning, so that makes it my fault if i get attacked by a shark.

Finish working on your website, and stop spewing garbage about someone who freakin died.


I am seriously so pissed right now dude, I just cant even believe the things that you are typing.

Ummm well if you know that sharks are out EATING in the morning and you decide hey I'm gonna catch some waves and you get attacked... ummm yea your fault. Did I say he was trying to get attacked or trying to die?? Either way humans kill thousands of sharks every year it doesnt bother me one bit that they take a few humans... population control.

I love the personal attacks too by the way... I got plenty of opinions on you but Ill keep em to myself like the bigger man... Thanks for the laugh though

I think this thread should be removed bigtime :mad: :mad: :mad:

The guy was a 66 year old triathlete........cool.

I am sure he knew the risks being that experienced.

Sharks happen. Sucks that the guy died though.

Well it's well known that sharks only attack in the water, so are all people who swim in the ocean at fault? You're more likely to get in a car accident than bit by a shark, so should all people who get into car's at fault for any accidents they get into? Should everyone walk? (well with rising gas prices, I'm all for that. :rolleyes: )

This is a very unfortunate ACCIDENT. My thoughts and prayers go out to this man's family.

I'm going to put this out there as a general warning - Keep it civil.

Must be t.v. now adays that makes us insensitive to the fact that someone out there probably just lost a father, brother, son, a friend etc.

Its a shame....

My thoughts are with his family.

The key part your missing is that fact that he was attacked in the morning when sharks are actively hunting. You may be more likely to get in a car accident than being attacked by a shark but your probability is drastically increased when you go in the water when they are known to be hunting... Just like your probability of being in a car accident is higher if you go driving in a snow storm.

I live in NY and yes I go driving during snow storms knowing the risk... If I got into an accident I wouldnt say its the snows fault seing I'm the one who decided to go out for a drive. Same situation here... He knew the risks... he took em... and he paid the ultimate price... Why not put training off for a couple hours and not swim when its feeding time?

I never said I dont feel bad for the people who have to deal with the consequences... I said I dont feel bad for the man who made the decision to get into the water... Obviously it sucks for anyone else involved

Nope, I'm not missing that point at all. A life was lost. I don't feel the need to place any blame ... on the animal or the person. It was an ACCIDENT!

I think the point most people are having issues with your posting, is your lack of concern for the VICTIM. He was a human being, who lost his life in a senseless act. Even if you don't feel very sympathetic, it is unnecessary to attack him.

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Why not put training off for a couple hours and not swim when its feeding time?

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Because early morning traffic is better and he had less of a chance of getting into a wreck. If he left the house a couple hours latter when everyone was trying to get to work, he could have died in a car accident.

Your logic is very flawed. There are countless 'odds' to certain events happening to you throughout the day...there is nothing you can do about it....THAT IS LIFE!!

I understand about not blaming the shark. I agree with that.

But the lack of respect for human life just because he went for a swim at a specific time is kinda ridiculous.

worth the infraction!

I still feel that you are very rude about this Josh. You could have gone about this a totally different way. Yet you choose to be the way that you are, and frolick in the land of ignorance.

He was someones son, possibly someones father, brother, friend, just like Rich said. But you come one here saying Oh, His fault he died, His fault.

*you must spread some reputation around before giving it to Joshblah blah again*

Im not sure where I attacked him? I totally thought he was stupid for going in the water and swimming then but I never said it... Again thousands if not millions of sharks are killed every year by humans but wheres the concern?? To me humans are just another animal on the planet... the live and die just like any other animal... I'm supposed to be concerned with the 1 guy who died but who cares about the 10,000 sharks killed?

You say accident but whats the accident?? The shark was hungry and wanted food... saw a opportunity to get a meal and took advantage of it... Ask the shark if he thought it was an accident and if he could talk Im sure hed say "naw man I was just looking for some grub. " In the ends humans are supposed to be the SMARTER animal and know the dangers... If you know the dangers and continue to take the risk... theres no one to blame but yourself

It's not so much about who's to blame and pointing out faults in logic etc etc, your being very disrespectful in light of his death. Instead of being so tasteless, keep your opinions to yourself for now, or discuss it elsewhere among minds that agree with your need to be outspoken.

I thought this was an off topic cafe... No one said you had to read or reply to the thread.

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so over you!

But when you post something on the internet, your inviting public review. When the forum is a family friendly forum, I can't see how posting something that can very easily be taken as an insult is warranted.

Aw man thanks pat... You just made my day... After reading your previous posts and then you following up with that one...

Can you say hypocrite?

That my friend, is what I like to call a warrented statment. Your actions warrented me to say that. See how things work in the "real" world. HA!

Pattimus, tsk tsk tsk.

The guy knew it was possible that he would be sharkbait. He took the risk. I don't feel sorry for him.

I do have sympathy for his family if he has any but he did what he wanted.

While you, Pattimus, have a right to your opinion, so does Josh.

Give me the tonka toys until the both of you can play in the sand nicely.

I have to say I agree. I think it's incredibly sad that he died from it, and I feel for his family... but the guy lived by the Cali coast where sharks are and knew (or at least should have known) that the dangers were high in the morning. He took that risk himself.

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I have to say I agree. I think it's incredibly sad that he died from it, and I feel for his family... but the guy lived by the Cali coast where sharks are and knew (or at least should have known) that the dangers were high in the morning. He took that risk himself.

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We also live where there are Mountain Lions, so I go hiking and get killed by a mountain lion (which happened here in ventura not 4 months ago) its my fault?

Come on now......

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Pattimus, tsk tsk tsk.

The guy knew it was possible that he would be sharkbait. He took the risk. I don't feel sorry for him.

I do have sympathy for his family if he has any but he did what he wanted.

While you, Pattimus, have a right to your opinion, so does Josh.

Give me the tonka toys until the both of you can play in the sand nicely.

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MY TONKA MY TONKA!!!

Im just saying, I wish people had sympathy before just blabbing their mouth off.

Its not that he went in the water and got attacked... thats not the point I'm trying to make... Its the fact that he knew sharks feed in the morning... If you go into the woods and get attacked by a mountain lion bc your on a hike, no its not your fault... Just like it wouldnt have been his fault if it was 12 oclock and bright sunshine... But if mountain lions are known to attack say around dusk and you decide to take your walk then and get attacked... well yea id have to say your at fault bc youre smart enough... well supposed to be... to know that they feed mainly around dusk time and you can hold off on going hiking until another day.

The US servicemen that get killed in Iraq must really be a contemptible bunch. After all they voluntarily join the military and place themselves in fire fights and expose themselves to roadside bombs.

I still don't see why this is riling you up so much. How do you know that he was aware of shark feeding habits? Why does his making this decision make the loss of his life any less sad?

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If you go into the woods and get attacked by a mountain lion bc your on a hike, no its not your fault..

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But mountain lions are more likely to attack small people, women and children. So if a child was in the woods hiking with his family and was attacked by a mountain lion....then it is the child's fault for being attacked because he was at higher risk to attack? or is it the parent's fault for taking the kid on the hike? Was it the mountain lions fault for not finding another meal? Was it the rabbit's fault because it escaped the mountain lion earlier in the day?

I see that your one of the type of people that has to put 'blame' on something or someone.

Who will be at fault when you die? If you are killed by a burgular, will you be at fault for not having tighter security in your home? If you die in a car accident, will you be at fault for not having control of other drivers? If you die because of heart attack, will you be at fault for having a weak heart?

Stuff can not just happen, can it?....something has to be at fault. I find that to be a funny sort of philosophy of life and death.

Everyday we walk a thin line of life and death. When thing happen, they happen...it is just life and blame could probably be placed on anything.

I seen a car accident the other day. People died. If I had not forgotten my keys in the office, I may have been involved in that accident and died. So the fact that I am alive now is my fault because I forgetting my keys?

What about the other guys that were swimming with the 66 yr old man attacked by the shark? Why did the shark pick that man? There were others. I guess it was his fault for just being himself on that one.

THANKYOU! Someone finally brought up the fact that the guy was training with a group!

So there are several facts missing from this equation.

Yes sharks do primarily feed at dusk and dawn, but that really only applies to the shark types that feed inshore and come in with the bait fish. Also, a high percentage (something like 95%)of shark attacks occur within 5 ft of water and are caused by what amounts to a feeding respose by the shark as they chase after bait fish. Great Whites primarily feed on seals and sea lions(which feed during the day). Great Whites are also deep water feeders. So right there with those two facts, Great Whites do not apply to the standard shark stats.

Great Whites select their prey by looking up at the shadows on the surface. They like to attack from underneath. If this man was swimming with a group, and since I am guessing the water is pretty cold, lets assume they were in wet suits, they would have looked like a school of seals / sealions. The sharks primary prey. Why was this man attacked over the others? For what ever reason, he probably appeared to be the weakest of the group. Maybe he was straggling behind and seperated a little....who knows.

At any rate, it is quite ignorant to believe such a statement that sharks feed at dusk and dawn would apply to all species of shark. You MUST take into account the type species that did the attacking. It does not matter what time of the day that guy was in the water since it was a great white involved.

i bet if you were there and saw this you would be shocked and horrified, scarred for life.
it's easy to read a headline and stay emotionally disconnected, but it's this sentiment (lack of regard for human life) that's leading the downfall of our country and the rest of the world.

My heart goes out to this guys family. That's all I have to say on this topic

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I still don't see why this is riling you up so much. How do you know that he was aware of shark feeding habits? Why does his making this decision make the loss of his life any less sad?

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Exactly what I was thinking! I don't happen to watch Shark Week on the Discovery Channel. I know nothing about feeding habbits of sharks. Who's to say he (or anybody he was with for that matter) knew?

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THANKYOU! Someone finally brought up the fact that the guy was training with a group!

So there are several facts missing from this equation.

Yes sharks do primarily feed at dusk and dawn, but that really only applies to the shark types that feed inshore and come in with the bait fish. Also, a high percentage (something like 95%)of shark attacks occur within 5 ft of water and are caused by what amounts to a feeding respose by the shark as they chase after bait fish. Great Whites primarily feed on seals and sea lions(which feed during the day). Great Whites are also deep water feeders. So right there with those two facts, Great Whites do not apply to the standard shark stats.

Great Whites select their prey by looking up at the shadows on the surface. They like to attack from underneath. If this man was swimming with a group, and since I am guessing the water is pretty cold, lets assume they were in wet suits, they would have looked like a school of seals / sealions. The sharks primary prey. Why was this man attacked over the others? For what ever reason, he probably appeared to be the weakest of the group. Maybe he was straggling behind and seperated a little....who knows.

At any rate, it is quite ignorant to believe such a statement that sharks feed at dusk and dawn would apply to all species of shark. You MUST take into account the type species that did the attacking. It does not matter what time of the day that guy was in the water since it was a great white involved.

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Good to know! Thank you for educating us!

It is a sad, sad event when someone is killed by a wild animal. However, casting blame on the man, because he went out swimming; what good does that do? How would it be that, it was the man's fault, because it was morning.. if he was out in the afternoon, would the blame transfer to the shark because it was not supposed to be hunting then?
Anytime we enter the wild, we run the risk of being mauled by an animal. It is their home turf while we have our cushy homes to live in and be comfortable. Personally I carry a rifle in the woods.. if one of the mountain lions that are around here, decide to go after me, they'd get a warning shot. Then more, if it meant My life or death. Maybe ocean swimmers should carry something that'd repel sharks like a taser type of thing? I just think of ways to prevent future human injury when I read about these types of things.. sad overall for all involved.

The main key here is 'prevention'. I, at least, am certainly not saying that the man brought that attack on, or that he meant it to happen. However, going out like that (group or no) in wetsuits that make you look like prey when Sea Lions had been seen nearby was almost like tempting fate. That episode was one that could have been prevented with a bit of forethought by the team.

It was a sad tragedy, and I am glad no others were injured, but it could have been prevented.

The attitude that certain people have been showing in this thread is appalling.

A person died! It doesn't matter why or how or whether he could have prevented it. He is still dead.

Not everyone in California knows or should know that sharks are more likely to attack at dawn or dusk. I spent the first 20+ years of my life in So. Cal., and I don't recall ever hearing that. I'm also a person who watches quite a bit of Animal Planet and other animals shows, and I still don't recall ever hearing that.

How many people actually read the whole article? The triathlon group has apparently been swimming in this same location every Friday for at least 6 years. So they've been tempting fate this whole time and it is only a miracle none got attacked by a shark before now? I'm more inclined to believe that they take more risk with their lives every time they get in a car than they did swimming in the ocean that morning.

Plus the article said the last fatal shark attack in California was in 2004, and the last one in San Diego county was in 1994. But I guarantee you there are people swimming and/or surfing along California beaches every day of the year, and yes, even at dawn and dusk.

I actually think that this 66 year old man, who was training for a triathlon and by extension it can be assumed his physical health was pretty good, must have been doing lots of the right things to ensure a long life.