ready to get flamed.

I am sorry BUT,

currently out of CO2.

I have a stubborn feeder that only takes small live mice. She is still a baby.

She struck at a hopper mouse, then let go of it after a few seconds. the baby mouse I thought was dead, then it started to come to... clearly wounded. I left it in there for about 30 minutes. the snake went back in its hide.

the mouse, clearly woonded was hobbling around the enclosure.

I recently purchased for $3 dollars a Reynalds zip lock bag vacume. I put the poor little mouse in the ziplock bag, and attached the sealer... (If you are not familiar with the sealer, it completely removes all air and creates a vacume seal within about 2 seconds.)

Well, I was surprised with the good results. within litteraly 5 seconds of sealing the bag, the mouse was motionless. (not breathing at all)

So, I must ask. would you consider this cruel? The mouse was dead faster then if the snake itself constricted it. The way I see it, it is kind of like a CO2 chamber, and a snake constriction at once.


I don't know, tell me what you think. I know that when I put my smaller mice in the CO2 chamber it takes a good minute or two to die. this took 5 seconds for the breathing to stop.

Mike

Sounds pretty humane to me. Rodents are discusting anyway. :D

I'm curious about this as well. I bought a $150 vacuum sealer when I got my first bp thinking I was going to feed f/t......never worked out so now I have a $150 newspaper weight. If it's that quick I would think it "may" be humane. :confused:

I guess it's okay.
they seem to exchange oxygen pretty fast, so they would go uncounscinence fast.

((Shrug)) sounds like suffocation to me.... but then again mice go through that when constricted

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I'm curious about this as well. I bought a $150 vacuum sealer when I got my first bp thinking I was going to feed f/t......never worked out so now I have a $150 newspaper weight. If it's that quick I would think it "may" be humane. :confused:

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You aren't using that? How much would you sell it to me for??? I need one to seal up bags of frozen surplus mice. :D Pretty Please?

As for the thread topic, it sounds just like constriction, and a lot better than whacking them against a hard surface, so it's as humane as killing mice can get. :)

That's an awesome idea! Not inhumane at all!

If you ever need to euthanize a few individual mice, even pinks/fuzzies, get a bottle of canned air. It kills them very quickly(they may agonal breathe for a bit, but that's normal) and they do not suffer. I have euthanized my pet rats at home when I can't get them in to see the vet this way. They go very peacefully.

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If you ever need to euthanize a few individual mice, even pinks/fuzzies, get a bottle of canned air. It kills them very quickly(they may agonal breathe for a bit, but that's normal) and they do not suffer. I have euthanized my pet rats at home when I can't get them in to see the vet this way. They go very peacefully.

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never thought of that... But wouldnt they get high before they die:D

I'm not sure about how humane this way is, but it seems effective when one is in a pinch.

The part I like about C02 is where they fall asleep before they stop breathing. I know suffocating is not pleasant, and would prefer to fall asleep before I get smothered. ;)

Sounds good to me! Good idea actually.

Wow, surprised nobody has attacked me!

Don't think I would want to try this with larger rats... I would think it would be too hard / stressfull to get them in the bag. Certainly not adult asf's as they would ATTACK!

But for mice, small - small rats, and small Asf's maybe this is an acceptable euthinization technique for newbees that haven't had a chance to put together a CO2 chamber... It costs 3 bucks for the vaccume sealer (that comes with 3 bags) and another 3 bucks for 18 more 1quart bags.

In my opinion it is the same as a snake constriction, only no painful bite. But they do encounter the few seconds of stress being put into the bag.

Mike

Ok MIke, I gotta know where on earth you found a vacuum sealer for only $3??? All the ones I've ever seen have been $80+!

They can be had at any grocery store. still a relatively new product. they work EXTREMLY well.

This is a new must have for any home breeder that can feed F/T!!!!!


http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldsk...ac/en/home.asp

mike

COOL! I have got to check for that thing when I next head to WallyWorld. :) Thanks a ton, I really didn't want to spend over 80...

Holy macaroni, Ive always wanted a vacuum sealer for food. I am willing to bet it will be $15 plus here in Canada (if I can find it) but heck, I'll go for it if I can! I feed F/T and would love to have one to seal my rats individually so they stay a little more preserved:)

As for your question of how humane this is to use on mice, I think it sounds o.k (not that I enjoyed imagining it)

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If you ever need to euthanize a few individual mice, even pinks/fuzzies, get a bottle of canned air. It kills them very quickly(they may agonal breathe for a bit, but that's normal) and they do not suffer. I have euthanized my pet rats at home when I can't get them in to see the vet this way. They go very peacefully.

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+1

Ive had a Very sick looking mouse than I did not want around my colony, so I just got done doing this. She was dead in a matter of seconds and she seemed to go peacefully.:gj:

Sounds like it was fast and relatively painless. This is what we need to aim for in euthanization. I personally whack rats against a concrete floor. People can get upset about it if they want, but it is instant death. Much less suffering than your standard chicken goes through at the slaughterhouse to make your McChicken sandwich :) You can NOT hesitate though, and the floor has to be an ungiving concrete. Pick up by tail, whack. Over in literally 2 seconds. Some leftover nerve twitches, similar to a rabbit or other small animal that is shot by a .22 rifle. This method is actually less suffering-causing than the snake itself constricting the rodent; this is my litmus test.

Yep. I use the whack-a-mouse method myself since I can't afford to put a CO2 chamber together yet. Only problem I have is when the nose starts bleeding all over the porch (concrete floor). I just got done with 5 whackings this evening and two made a bit of a mess. Oh well...snakes gotta eat. :)

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I just got done with 5 whackings this evening and two made a bit of a mess.

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Hey listen I got this neighbour that I can't stand...whadda ya say to $200, HAHA, Joking!

I just cant bring myself to whacking a mouse... I was going to the other day but it looked at me with its cute little eyes so i fed him off the old fasion way:weirdface Maybe i'll have the guts to do it next time. Im just afraid of the twitching or it not dieing

Oh and Mike, Just because I didn't want to let you down - HOW DARE YOU RUN OUT OF CO2, YOU CRUEL MONSTER. heh..I'm such a joker tonight eh;)

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Only problem I have is when the nose starts bleeding all over the porch (concrete floor). I just got done with 5 whackings this evening and two made a bit of a mess. Oh well...snakes gotta eat. :)

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I feel ya :(

I use the foodsaver on rats. I put them in the bag and suck all of the air out. They die very quickly. I am going to purchase everything to setup a co2 system, but have not yet. I do not think it is inhumane, but I can see how people would.