Ralphs Kinked Caramel.

I thought this video was very instructive and I thank Ralph for putting it out there. One of the reasons I like Ralph is because he'll often put things out in the public view that other breeders will cover up. It's not pretty, but it's educational. You can't learn anything new from people who keep secrets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baquu5GYyVA


Mark

I agree Mark. This kind of thing is sad, but it does happen

I think it's kind of Ralph to have kept them alive and provided a good home for them---it's good that he gave them a chance most people wouldn't have. I think it's a mark of a good breeder who genuinely cares for his animals, that he keeps even the "train wrecks" alive. They may not look normal---but they're healthy and happy, so kudos to them and to Ralph!

It was very interesting and its awesome he shared it with all of us.

Thanks for posting that video Mark. I knew of the kinking problem in caramels, but I had no idea just how severe the kinking can be. I give props to Ralph, he was the one who opened my eyes to the wobble issues in spiders and facial deformities in super cinni/black pastels.

This is what made me stay away from caramels

Wow i have never seen anything like that before. :O

As bad as it looks, it's better than being dead. Good job Ralph, raising them up even though they look pretty bad. Gotta commend the guy for showing that, and admitting he has it.

Very nice video. I appreciate the candor.

I have heard of the kinking problem but never realized how severe it was. Thanks for sharing.

Ralph is the man in my opinion,inbreeding for morphs always causes proplems but thats cool to know what has what proplems.

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Originally Posted by greghall

Ralph is the man

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You can say that again!

I've seen a few pics of kinked caramels but wow, those are some kinks.

Kudos to Ralph for even posting that video and another for taking care of the little guys. :gj:

I'm glad he talked about the possible tail crop in carmel albinos. I've known about the kinking, but I wouldn't have thought to be really examine the tail so closely in case some unscrupulous breeder took off the very tip.

Question, if they tend to kink then why breed them?

Why take the chance of having a snake that has some retardation?

If you and a spouse have had 3 children with disabilities are you going to try for a 4th?

Doesn't seem fair or right IMO.

Probably because there are more non-kinked caramels than there are kinked ones.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

Probably because there are more non-kinked caramels than there are kinked ones.

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Ditto.

Very cool vid...I'm with Ralph; if the snake appears healthy and will have good quality of life, why put it down? He's a snake freak at heart. =)

Wow, that is somehting else.
I have never heard of any problems like that.
What did he mean about the spiders? Do spiders have a problem with that to?

No, spiders have what has been called 'wobble' where they tremble to some degree. I'll let the other more experienced people talk about that more...

But wow... that was really something. Now I don't feel half as bad about the injury my little pastel male has. :)