BHB and Monitor Lizards

I'm not bashing you or your company... but I posted the monior vid on a diferent forum, I thought it would be cool and all but it turned into a nightmare. What I'm asking is, are the tubs the monitors' real home? If not can I get pics of their real enclosures?

In the snakebytes video he specifically says that they are feeding cages.

I know that but people on a different forum are bashing him for it and I want to prove them wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nick144

I know that but people on a different forum are bashing him for it and I want to prove them wrong.

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Out of curiosity - which forum?

........you don't need to prove them wrong. If they watch the video, they will clearly hear his explanation that this is a feeding bin.

repticzone

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Originally Posted by Nick144

repticzone

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Wow - lot of drama. They seemed to come to the conclusion that the water bowl and substrate meant that BHB was lying about the feeding bin. Although I am wondering what reaction you were aiming for by posting the vid. Do you have an issue with it or did you just think it was cool and wanted to share it?

A good friend of mine uses a feeding cage for his blackthroat monitor and that cage also has substrate and a water dish in it along with a radiant heat panel - why? Well he has it set up as a backup enclosure in case one if the bins in his boa rack has a flexwatt issue. I supposed an idiot could go off half-cocked and whine and cuss about his husbandry habits..........oh well.

However, judging by the statements, ie: keeping snakes in racks being inhumane and, on another part of the forum, recommending rock pythons, burmese pythons and "matlock" pythons as good first pet choices, I'd probably advise against getting in the habit of trying to prove people wrong - it could easily become a full time job.

i not only doubt but i know he doesnt keep that monitor in that tiny enclosure! come on people were talking about brian here. give me a break :rolleyes: people need to get a life, honestly.

Nick, I would imagine if you have specific questions about monitor housing by a company, then the best way to find out the answers would be to directly email them or leave a message through their website.

As far as what goes on at another forum, that has no bearing here.

I didn't even wonder. From the looks of his facility, the commitment it must take to run it and the health if his reptiles I took it for granted that the largest specimens were in those bins strictly for feeding. Since he may be leaving them there for a couple days for digestion etc hence the substrate and water bowl.

When ever your are on top people will always be jealous and try to knock you down.

I am sure this is nothing new to Brian.

Once you have accomplished what he has done then maybe you could critic what he does.

Dont bring dirty laundry from another forum here, we dont want it.;)

Whenever ther is anyone that does anything, like Raul said, there will be bashers! Just look at the myspace, there is tons of people who dont understand. Ignorance is bliss no?

Indeed. And IMHO, most of the people are repticzone are under 21 and have the combined I.Q. of a snake turd...but thats just my humble opinion.

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I didn't even wonder. From the looks of his facility, the commitment it must take to run it and the health if his reptiles I took it for granted that the largest specimens were in those bins strictly for feeding. Since he may be leaving them there for a couple days for digestion etc hence the substrate and water bowl.

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I never thought of that

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Whenever ther is anyone that does anything, like Raul said, there will be bashers! Just look at the myspace, there is tons of people who dont understand. Ignorance is bliss no?

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Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

When ever your are on top people will always be jealous and try to knock you down.

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I totally agree with this statement, I can assure you Brians & Loris animals are as healthy as they get, I have 5 in the collection already, and will have more than that once Daytona rolls around. Every animal I have gotten from him fed immediately without any hesitation, and come perfectly healthy. As he said in the show it was for "feeding purposes only" and I believe I even heard they do the same thing with the Burms and Retics, its just the way they do things, and from the success he has had the the quality of animals they produce, who is anyone to argue with that?

Pointless Thread!!!!!!!

Been in that room personally... never once saw a monitor in that bin. Coincidence? I think not. ;)

I am very interested in this.

I have never known of a monitor keeper moving their large varanids into a tub to feed. How is this done properly and for what reasons? How is the safety of the keeper and monitor maintained?

I would also like to see some pictures or video of the actual cages that the monitors are kept in. I think it would be great to see how BHB keeps their monitors. I enjoy seeing how commercial reptile breeders house their monitors. NERD has some unique custom caging and success with breeding several monitor species. Other monitor 'breeders' like Goanna Ranch, Rare Earth, Inc. and Pro-Exotics have long-time proven systems that are unique in their own right.

Just wondering what advance/progress BHB has made in varanid husbandry and housing. How is the albino sav project going?

Well, I just emailed them, I'm hoping to get a response. Once I do I'll see if they sent pics. I used my original question but I changed it around a bit.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I am very interested in this.

I have never known of a monitor keeper moving their large varanids into a tub to feed. How is this done properly and for what reasons? How is the safety of the keeper and monitor maintained?

Other monitor 'breeders' Pro-Exotics have long-time proven systems that are unique in their own right.

Just wondering what advance/progress BHB has made in varanid husbandry and housing. How is the albino sav project going?

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don't mean to bash your post or anything just thought i correct would add something about Pro Exotics. According to thier site they purchase farm bred moniters. The only time i saw that they said they were breeding was ackies, and tree moniters just my 2cents

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Originally Posted by Royal_Rodents

don't mean to bash your post or anything just thought i correct would add something about Pro Exotics. According to thier site they purchase farm bred moniters. The only time i saw that they said they were breeding was ackies, and tree moniters just my 2cents

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Not to bash your post or anything, I just thought I would correct something. I never said they breed ALL monitors. They do breed ackies however and have been breeding ackies for a pretty long time. They also take pretty good care of their imported monitors....much better care than most of the import monitor sellers out there.

I got a reply but sadly no pics. This is what Brian had to say "No those are feeding cages, we put them in there for a couple hours before we feed them. We only keep a couple monitors and we have them in displays that they tear up when we feed them. If people want to be asses about it they can, I just don't see why people don't have more important things to worry about. If they don't like it they don't have to watch. I've been breeding reptiles for a living for 21 years, I'm not stuck up or have an ego, but it does piss me off when people go off on something so fricken stupid. If I didn't know what I was dong I wouldn't be in business still. Tell them all to get a life. Sorry for the rant, but it really pisses me off when anyone test my interest in my animals. I care more for my animals then anyone you'll ever meet, my animals are my life and I work from morning until night seven days a week to provide my animals the best care. Sorry that you took greif for trying to promote our project." Brian

thats a great response I think. I don't know Brian but anyone can see he cares for his animals and is a class act. In this time when our hobby in under attack we need to unite not try to tear the cornerstones of the industry down.

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Originally Posted by Nick144

I got a reply but sadly no pics. This is what Brian had to say "No those are feeding cages, we put them in there for a couple hours before we feed them. We only keep a couple monitors and we have them in displays that they tear up when we feed them. If people want to be asses about it they can, I just don't see why people don't have more important things to worry about. If they don't like it they don't have to watch. I've been breeding reptiles for a living for 21 years, I'm not stuck up or have an ego, but it does piss me off when people go off on something so fricken stupid. If I didn't know what I was dong I wouldn't be in business still. Tell them all to get a life. Sorry for the rant, but it really pisses me off when anyone test my interest in my animals. I care more for my animals then anyone you'll ever meet, my animals are my life and I work from morning until night seven days a week to provide my animals the best care. Sorry that you took greif for trying to promote our project." Brian

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Nick, may we assume you've sought and received Brian's permission to share a private email communication on a public forum?

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Nick, may we assume you've sought and received Brian's permission to share a private email communication on a public forum?

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Was I suppose to...?

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Nick, may we assume you've sought and received Brian's permission to share a private email communication on a public forum?

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You should pretty much assume that private emails from someone like that is off the record....

I did not know but If I can go ask for his permission, sorry

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Originally Posted by Nick144

Was I suppose to...?

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Well Nick, if you have a private conversation with someone would you enjoy if they posted it on a public forum without even asking you if you minded?

This isn't a case like the BOI where a business transaction has gone wrong and a person is trying to prove their side - this is you emailing someone and then going ahead and posting their response without considering if in fact they wanted to make a public statment. Also when you do quote an email, PM, etc. you need to quote it as such with the headers it comes with, not simply you re-typing what someone else may or may not have said.

Can you guys take it off...?

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You need to quote it as such with the headers it comes with, not simply you re-typing what someone else may or may not have said.

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That is what he actually said.

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Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

Indeed. And IMHO, most of the people are repticzone are under 21 and have the combined I.Q. of a snake turd...but thats just my humble opinion.

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HAHAHAHA:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: i too have had problems from them, no one listens any more. and for the record i thought the vid was cool.