Burgandy

I've noticed a lot of people have similar dinkers, so I wanted to ask this question:

Is anyone trying to prove the Burgandy Ball? Has a line been proven yet?

If you have them, post pics please!!! I'd love to see yours! :gj:

Ralph Davis proved out his line of Burgandy :)

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...s/burgundy.asp

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo.com

Ralph Davis proved out his line of Burgandy :)

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...s/burgundy.asp

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actually the story in this link is from Vin Russo although it is on Ralphs website he even signed it on the bottom but its still a start Heather

Actually Ralph did prove out his line, dig in the previous year birthing records :)

We have 12 eggs from a w.c gravid burgundy female due to hatch in 2-3 weeks.
If they do not look like her we are putting a male back to his mom to try to prove the line.

They should prove to be genetic, as they are a locality animal, much like yellow bellies, ghost, pastels, lavender albino's, pieds, etc, all the ones every collected have been collected from the same area in the Country they are found. Benin for Lavenders, Ghana for pieds, etc.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi...thons_2_03.asp Clutch 20

Here is my burgandy(ish) female and spider. The picture isn't great but her black areas are like charcol gray in color and she has a burgandy like wash to her color with no dark browns or yellows. You cant really see in the pic but she has the biggest heat pits I have ever seen. Can't wait to see what the babies look like:bow:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...lockselsie.jpg

I'd be interested in a Ron Burgundy ball...sorry, I couldn't resist.

I have 3 Unproven Burgundy Females...I got a clutch from one female a couple years ago and I'm growing up those hets...She hasn't fed real strong, so I haven't bred her son back yet...Maybe this year, she's taking off on AFS lately.

I also have a 100% DH Caramel Albino Burgundy (Unproven) male and 3 of his daughters...I tried breeding him to a Burgundy this year, but she's not going to go.

This girl is due to lay in the next couple weeks...She was bred by a CH Weird Striped Ball...Just Dinking.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2.../2burgundy.jpg

I got a clutch of eggs from a girl last year that looks similar to many burgandy BPs. Unfortunatley she died shortly after laying her eggs, but I did get some beautiful babies from her clutch and I kept my three favorites.

Here is a photo of her freshly shed.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../nf6-005-2.jpg

This is a male normal holdback that I kept because he was very different from the other normals in the clutch and he has a lot of similarities to his mother.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...P7124105-2.jpg

This is an unusually dark and low white spider female from the clutch. Her sides also have a greenish hue that reminds me of the color of a green burm and her head marking are smudged almost like the cinni spider. I don't know if her look is a random thing or if the mothers genetics had some role in how she looks but either way she is a cool looking spider.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...f1-027aaaa.jpg

I also bred my pastel to the burg-ish female and instead of getting a dark animal like I did with the spider pairing, I produced the brightest and cleanest pastel that I have hatched out so far. This girl is not as blushed out as a super pastel, but her color rivals many that I have seen and at about 1000 grams she has held her color better than any pastel I have ever seen. Not to sound cliche but my camera really doesn't pick up how vivid her color looks.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...73/pf3-025.jpg

I'd love to hear opinions on these BPs as well as other breeders experiences with working with burg-ish type animals.

I know VPI used to have a WC adult, but she wouldn't breed for them...dunno if they've still got it.

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Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

I'd be interested in a Ron Burgundy ball...sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Stay Classy BP.net..

Here is mine...

CRAPPY photos.. I can't get her true coloration right on camera. Maybe in real light.

HAPPY NOW, CONNIE???????
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1040355.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1040353.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1040357.jpg

Papa Burgundy ball?
Does it have a reddish brown mustache along with a blue lapel?
Do you fill its water bowl with scotch?
That is a BP I want!

Im Ron Burundy??????? ahahaa sorry couldnt help myself

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Here is mine...

CRAPPY photos.. I can't get her true coloration right on camera. Maybe in real light.

HAPPY NOW, CONNIE???????

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Oh! And here I was looking for another thread! My craving is satiated.... for now... *mwahaha

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA...

I was wondering if you would find it ;)

I posted on the other thread looking for her and again so utterly disappointed there was no burgundy, but then you sneak around and post her here! Ahahahaha

I'm sneaky like that...

I wanted you to WANT it ;)

You know, I was hangen out in the snake room last night and my biggest girl has a reddish look to her. No black on her at all and the browns all have a reddish tint. I think she may be around 10 yers old, so I thought it was from age and her colors are fading....

Heather - your pictures look very similar to Bertha. All of my pictures are too dark....

Try natural light and see if they work out better.. I think I'm going to try that today when I get home from work to get a better color from my girl.

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Originally Posted by Schlyne

I know VPI used to have a WC adult, but she wouldn't breed for them...dunno if they've still got it.

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I should clarify, after flipping through one of my ball books it's a burgundy albino.

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Originally Posted by Schlyne

I should clarify, after flipping through one of my ball books it's a burgundy albino.

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That girls eggs are due to hatch any day now! Go check out the VPI diary ;)

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Originally Posted by Schlyne

I should clarify, after flipping through one of my ball books it's a burgundy albino.

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im pretty sure that its the same morph as the paragon owned by renaisance reptiles and also the urban pythons Toffee ball.

what makes a snake a burgundy? I've been trying to find a decription and pics of the coloration to be able to tell, but no two pics have the same features or descriptions.

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Originally Posted by Kalitta

what makes a snake a burgundy? I've been trying to find a decription and pics of the coloration to be able to tell, but no two pics have the same features or descriptions.

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I think burgundy can get confused with sulfur a lot. Sulfurs are co-doms i believe and some of their offspring when crossed with a normal have a reddish tint to them and look obviously different. I don't think these are burgundies, but they are pretty awesome nontheless.
A few sulfur pics (scroll down a ways):
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/ballcollection.html

A burgundy is a recessive coloration. It can be like a ghost, where it sheds clear and has no black, just a reddish brown tint. I think the problem is that there are at least a few different genetic "burgundies" and there aren't a lot of specifics. I think the main traits for a burgundy are red wash and no black coloration, they may have clear sheds, but this does not seem to be necessary for the color to be a genetic trait. I don't think the burgundy is the most well studied trait and it is very subtle and SUPER hard to photograph in a way that conveys the coloration.
Currently I have been trying to photograph a snake i think may have something genetic, and a burgundy seems to be the best guess. From what others tell me, it may be burgundy if the snake has all the black replaced with a brownish red color. There is no yellow and no black, and the browns are pinkish or reddish. It seems to follow the hypo or ghost pattern in that it has no black, the color is subtle and often they shed clear.
This isn't a morph like a spider-in your face and obvious! which i guess is kind of good because it means it's easier to get missed as a valuable thing.

I figured this was the best place to post this, so here goes...

In October of 2008, I picked a female out of a group of snakes listed on CL as simply "adult female ball pythons". I met with the seller and picked what I thought was a nice looking female from the group he had with him. Once home, I emailed the seller for more info on the particular female that I had taken home. He said that he had originally purchased her as a gravid "Het RED BURGUNDY TYPE-1" from JnJReptiles who obtained her in a lot of wc gravid females from Ian Gniazdowski of Outback Reptiles in Virginia.

I bought her at a fraction of he paid for her and didn't really concern myself on the subject until now. Now that I'm more interested in breeding balls and planning out breeding projects in advance, I'm more curious about what this "het red burgundy type-1" business is all about...?

Here is a pic of the female in question:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9631/frecklesva1.jpg

I'm trying to prove out this female.

http://www.coreywoods.com/Burgundy/burgundy02.jpg

It's been a tough go. Originally I had 3 burgandy females. I ended up selling off 2 of them and keeping this female.

She's only ever produced 1 clutch for me and that was back in 2006. 1.1 Lessers het Burgandy and 1.4 Het Burgandys. Back in 2006 I produced 96 clutchs so I was tight for space back at my old place. So, I turfed the male into the pet trade and kept the 1.1 Lessers het Burg and 0.4 het Burg. Well, my lesser het burg male is gay 98% of the time. He'll breed a female if you leave him alone with her for a couple weeks and then he might think about spurring her tomorrow......etc.

I am going to produce a couple clutches but since the lesser is such a poor breeder they are going to be mixed clutches.

Corey

just to bring this thread back up again i hope to breed my burgundy back to one of her sons this year.i bread mine to a pastel so hope to get something nice from the pairing this time. anyone else hope to prove thiers out this year

j.patino