URGENT: sick(er) gravid female...

A few days ago I posted that my gravid female was sick...lethargic...just not interested in moving, even when held..

here's the post...http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=64485

by today, she's moving more...but twisting her head and rolling around....she looks lost, like she is unable to control her movements....sometimes she sits with her neck all wrapped up around itself....like she's in a knot that moves down her body

her fecals are clear, no mites, no RI, no contact with others aside from my male while breeding (who is fine)... i raised her temps from 87 on the hot side to 90 on theside....humidity is 60%....boaphile enclosure...

I'm at my wits end here....worried to the point of tears.....is this normal if she's about to deliver??....

anyone with ideas please? :( help

Does it seem like IBD? The way you're describing her makes me think of that :(

Are you sure your temps are that low?

Sounds like you could have overheated her and fried some circuits, OR.....

It could be something like IBD.

Was she ever in contact with Boas or any other reptiles?

We have a rescued boa, but she's in quarentine....she has never been in contact with anything but my male...he seems fine, eating great and being his usual sweetheart self...

the highest temps have been were 90...which I upped to today

it really does seem like IBD from the research I have done....but I honestly don't think thats the case...I have had her for awhile and this is the only problem I have had with her....no mites, no nothing....I'm stumped

Researchers have not established causality between mites and IBD. I would make darn sure she is far far QT'd from all other snakes. Then I would make darn sure that the male she was with is QT'd far far from all other snakes. Then I would take your girl to the vet. Good luck!

At this point this could very well be a moot point and a useless suggestion, but log off the internet and get her to a vet like yesterday!

Why do people, especially reptile owners, insist on waiting around and seeing what happens before they get their animals the proper medical care? No one on this forum or any other place online can replace the advise and the care that a vet can give your animals.

Please, stop wasting time asking people what they think should be done, or how they should do it and get that snake to a vet. Pay the few hundred extra dollars it'll cost because of the after hours visit and pray she pulls through.

That's if it isn't too late.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but it astonishes me how people have this stupid notion that they should get their answers from the internet instead of a professional.

I'm a noob, so all I can really do is offer you good luck
Hope everything is OK!

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Originally Posted by bsd13

At this point this could very well be a moot point and a useless suggestion, but log off the internet and get her to a vet like yesterday!

Why do people, especially reptile owners, insist on waiting around and seeing what happens before they get their animals the proper medical care? No one on this forum or any other place online can replace the advise and the care that a vet can give your animals.

Please, stop wasting time asking people what they think should be done, or how they should do it and get that snake to a vet. Pay the few hundred extra dollars it'll cost because of the after hours visit and pray she pulls through.

That's if it isn't too late.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but it astonishes me how people have this stupid notion that they should get their answers from the internet instead of a professional.

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i have an appointment for bloodwork and have already been to have fecals done...as stated
thanks tho

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

i have an appointment for bloodwork and have already been to have fecals done...as stated
thanks tho

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I think you missed my point.

It's an emergency. You don't wait for an appointment when it comes to an emergency. If it was your kid acting like that would you be waiting on an appointment, or would you be in the emergency room?

I would have to say that some of the people here provide better advice than most vets would. I know for a fact that the local vet here wouldn't be of as much help as this forum if I had an issue with one of my snakes. How can I trust a vet who believes that oral meds are always a better idea than injections for snakes? No matter what the problem is, the vet always seems to prescribe oral baytril 1X a day for 2 weeks.

With the amount of reptiles we keep at our rescue, we use a vet who specializes is herps and NOT a 24 hour vet service. Personally, I would ONLY see a herp vet in this situation because if it turns out to be IBD, the snake will have to be put down. I would never take a chance on the life of my snake by putting it in the hands of some 24 hour vet who does not have much herp experience. Most small animal vets are not herp vets and do the best they can, but when it comes to the care of my reptiles, having the BEST care is the most important and I would prefer a specialist. I'm sure they do as well.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

I think you missed my point.

It's an emergency. You don't wait for an appointment when it comes to an emergency. If it was your kid acting like that would you be waiting on an appointment, or would you be in the emergency room?

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Did you just compare a snake to a kid? Its just a pet, calm down.

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

We have a rescued boa, but she's in quarentine....she has never been in contact with anything but my male...he seems fine, eating great and being his usual sweetheart self...

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Can you clarify this sentence please? The rescue boa is in QT but what "male" was she in contact with? The male BP that subsequently was put in to breed with the female BP that is now sick or another male boa or BP?

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Can you clarify this sentence please? The rescue boa is in QT but what "male" was she in contact with? The male BP that subsequently was put in to breed with the female BP that is now sick or another male boa or BP?

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D'oh :omfg: Good catch Jo. Hmmm......

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Can you clarify this sentence please? The rescue boa is in QT but what "male" was she in contact with? The male BP that subsequently was put in to breed with the female BP that is now sick or another male boa or BP?

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I think they are saying the bp that is sick now has never been in contact with anything other than the male she was bred to. I think they are just mentioning the rescue boa because someone asked about it.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Can you clarify this sentence please? The rescue boa is in QT but what "male" was she in contact with? The male BP that subsequently was put in to breed with the female BP that is now sick or another male boa or BP?

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Sorry for the jumbled sentence. I do have a boa but it is is quarentine, not even in the same room. She's been in quarentine since day 1.

The only other snake to have contact was my male ball who I have had since 2000 with no problems at all. He seems fine.

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

The only other snake to have contact was my male ball who I have had since 2000 with no problems at all. He seems fine.

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But the male ball has only had contact with the gravid female, right? Not the quarantined boa?

It sounds like IBD. I agree with you asking fellow herpers of the problem. The herp vets in my area (the closest one is almost an hour drive and has HORRIBLE hours) hardly know their you-know-whats from a hole in the ground. I'd ask someone who's been working with reptiles for years over a vet that may half-assedly examine one or two a year. But keeping her in quarintine and upping her temp was a baby-step in the right direction. I would take her to the vet for definitive care and suggest to the vet that you suspect IBD. But, you're waiting on the bloodwork already so I don't have to tell you. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

The only other snake to have contact was my male ball who I have had since 2000 with no problems at all.

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Why?

Well best of luck and I hope it all works out for you in the end.

Not sure if this helps much but I think I remember someone posting awhile back how someone stopped by their house... handled their snake and that snake along with the others came down with IBD. Turns out the person who came over had brought their snake to the vet that same day bc it had IBD... Is it possible that you handled your new boa... didnt wash ur hands or what not... then went on to the ball room and messed with your female and/or male?

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

With the amount of reptiles we keep at our rescue, we use a vet who specializes is herps and NOT a 24 hour vet service. Personally, I would ONLY see a herp vet in this situation because if it turns out to be IBD, the snake will have to be put down. I would never take a chance on the life of my snake by putting it in the hands of some 24 hour vet who does not have much herp experience. Most small animal vets are not herp vets and do the best they can, but when it comes to the care of my reptiles, having the BEST care is the most important and I would prefer a specialist. I'm sure they do as well.

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I don't disagree, but in my mind having some medical care is better than none even if the care isn't perfect. But I also understand that being a rescue sometimes it's just not money you can afford and most vets don't work on payment plans unless they're on some kind of an agreement with your shelter.

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

A few days ago I posted that my gravid female was sick...lethargic...just not interested in moving, even when held..

here's the post...http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=64485

by today, she's moving more...but twisting her head and rolling around....she looks lost, like she is unable to control her movements....sometimes she sits with her neck all wrapped up around itself....like she's in a knot that moves down her body

her fecals are clear, no mites, no RI, no contact with others aside from my male while breeding (who is fine)... i raised her temps from 87 on the hot side to 90 on theside....humidity is 60%....boaphile enclosure...

I'm at my wits end here....worried to the point of tears.....is this normal if she's about to deliver??....

anyone with ideas please? :( help

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I don't know how accurate this is since i have never kept a gravid female or experienced those symptoms, but it sounds like she is in pain. Is everything going okay inside her? Just an idea, hope things work out for the best.

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Originally Posted by 51-50 Python

Did you just compare a snake to a kid? Its just a pet, calm down.

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Maybe you shouldn't have pets.

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Originally Posted by JeffFlanagan

Maybe you shouldn't have pets.

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and why is that.. because i dont look at my snake as if it were my kid? are u serious?

Well? Any updates? Now that ya'll seem to be done bickering...:weirdface