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Help! litter of 13 DEAD!

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  • 04-04-2008, 09:11 AM
    Captain Penelope
    Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    HELP! I just woke up this morning to find my mother mouse of a litter of thirteen dead! she had plenty of food and water, but I guess 13 babies were too many for her..

    What do I do? I called a petstore and they said that is highly unlikely that i can hand-nurse them and that they probably wont make it..

    Not to be insensitive, but should I feed them now? give them to a petstore to freeze? I dont want them to suffer and die :(
  • 04-04-2008, 09:21 AM
    Laooda
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    You might be able to get a nursing female to foster the litter... maybe if you purchased a mom and a few babies, and rubbed all the babies together so they smell the same? Not sure how mice do... but I've split up large rat litters with no problems...Or like you mentioned freeze them for use later? Best of luck!
  • 04-04-2008, 10:38 AM
    kc261
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    You didn't say how old the babies are. I'm kind of guessing that they were just born and maybe the mother died due to some sort of complication.

    Anyway, if you want to try to save the babies, google "orphan mouse" and you'll find lots of info. I don't have personal experience with this, but this page seemed good:
    http://www.thefunmouse.com/info/orphanedmice.cfm

    If you can't find a mother to foster them, it will be a lot of work to hand raise them, but it is possible. But you will likely feel very bonded to them, and then feeding them off will be hard, and if the mother died due to birthing issues, they may not be the best ones to keep as breeders.

    I don't think there is anything "insensitive" about feeding them off now. They were bred & born to be feeders, right? It is at least better that they go to that use than they just die with no purpose.

    I've read somewhere that freezing is considered the most humane way to dispatch of very young mice (like before they get fur maybe?), but I've also seen that disputed here on bp.net, so you might want to look in to that before you proceed. Whether you freeze them or use CO2, you can do it at home. See stickies about making a CO2 chamber if you don't know how.
  • 04-04-2008, 10:53 AM
    cassandra
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    I had a momma mouse die pretty soon after giving birth, for whatever reason. I euthanized the babies (break necks) as I couldn't get my other momma mouse to take them. Happens. =P
  • 04-04-2008, 11:19 AM
    Brimstone111888
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Freezing is best for fuzzies and pinkies, because they are not as susceptible to CO2 and suffocation.
  • 04-04-2008, 01:26 PM
    MarkS
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Quote:

    I euthanized the babies (break necks) as I couldn't get my other momma mouse to take them. Happens. =P
    How do you break the necks of something as squishy as a pinky? I just put them in a ziplock bag and put the bag in the freezer.
  • 04-04-2008, 01:28 PM
    wilomn
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    If you pinch their heads gently you will crush their tiny brains and kill them instantly.

    If you crush them too hard though you get brains everywhere.

    It's quick and easy for you and painless for the mouses.
  • 04-04-2008, 01:58 PM
    Jenn
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Dear god could we please change the subject.
  • 04-04-2008, 09:40 PM
    littleindiangirl
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    How do you avoid getting the insides all over when squishing the brain? I'm pretty positive I don't have that gentle of a touch if I were to go that route and just make a big mess lol.
  • 04-04-2008, 09:59 PM
    Beardedragon
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    How old was she? I have a females mouse that had a litter of 13 and she is doing horrible. The babys are weaned but she still is breathing really hard and acting worn out. Shes going to be fed off next feeding.
  • 04-04-2008, 10:24 PM
    wilomn
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by littleindiangirl View Post
    How do you avoid getting the insides all over when squishing the brain? I'm pretty positive I don't have that gentle of a touch if I were to go that route and just make a big mess lol.

    I have EXCELLENT control.

    Practice, practice, practice.
  • 04-04-2008, 10:36 PM
    Gloryhound
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by littleindiangirl View Post
    How do you avoid getting the insides all over when squishing the brain? I'm pretty positive I don't have that gentle of a touch if I were to go that route and just make a big mess lol.

    Put them in a zip lock bag then sqeeze!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beardedragon View Post
    How old was she? I have a females mouse that had a litter of 13 and she is doing horrible. The babys are weaned but she still is breathing really hard and acting worn out. Shes going to be fed off next feeding.

    How long have you given her to recover. For a mouse 13 babies is quite a load without killing and eating any to recover your own strength as mice will do. I would give her some extra recovery time and hope she comes around and is good to breed. Even if you can only breed her half as much, you have to remember the good mother traits seem to be genetic in mice! You could make a nice colony of breeder females using her off spring.
  • 04-04-2008, 10:41 PM
    lillyorchid
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    With pinks I just either give a quick flick of my finger to their head or just put them in a baggy and place them in a the freezer.
  • 04-05-2008, 11:32 AM
    Beardedragon
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gloryhound View Post
    Put them in a zip lock bag then sqeeze!



    How long have you given her to recover. For a mouse 13 babies is quite a load without killing and eating any to recover your own strength as mice will do. I would give her some extra recovery time and hope she comes around and is good to breed. Even if you can only breed her half as much, you have to remember the good mother traits seem to be genetic in mice! You could make a nice colony of breeder females using her off spring.

    She ate half of them. She also does not have any ears from what im guessing cage mates that she was housed with. I'll be holding back one of the males from her because of how fast they grew and I like them:)
  • 04-05-2008, 06:34 PM
    Ginevive
    Re: Help! litter of 13 DEAD!
    Pinks make awesome Oscar cichlid food. That's where mine used to go if they died at the pink stage. :)
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