Another "what to get next"

Hey guys, right now i currently have a male pastel and have gone back and forth on what to get next. At one time i really wanted a female spider but i had a friend tell me id be better off buying a male. And I have also considered maybe a female mojave or a male mojave, and lots of other stuff

So I was wondering what everyone else thinks what morph i should get next to build my breeding collection based on your opinions.
thanks!

Since you're building your breeding stock you need to concentrate on getting the females first since they take longer to reach sexual maturity. That said, whatever female you like the look of is what you ought to get next. Having a pastel male is great given that pastels really amp the color of so many morphs.
So, I'll throw your own question back at you: What morph strikes your fancy??

Mckinsey is right... if your planning on breeding you need females first. It takes 2 yrs to get a female up to size and weight so you should think about getting females first. Males can breed at 1yr or even younger so id hold off on picking up any more males. Ive seen some killer pastel mojaves so I say female mojave.

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so many morphs thats the thing, spiders and mojaves i guess, i have around 500 bucks right now and have a job now lol, so probably in that price range

would buying older normals be good to?

Female spider thats what I did bumble's are amazing.

I voted for a female Cinny since I dig pewters. If you like the way they look then it's also a lot of bang for your buck. I love a good lookin Cinny!

thanks for all the replies everyone

thats the thing, i wish i had 3000 bucks to blow off on just the 500 dollar co dom and dom traits out there.

So i probably should just pick a female either a spider, mojave, or cinnamon. Which ever one i like the most and get it first and then later on get the others?
i would also like to get like 2 older normal females to breed my pastel to next year or so and i could still be producing while im waiting for the little female to grow up. does that sound like a good idea?

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Originally Posted by atp151415

thanks for all the replies everyone

thats the thing, i wish i had 3000 bucks to blow off on just the 500 dollar co dom and dom traits out there.

So i probably should just pick a female either a spider, mojave, or cinnamon. Which ever one i like the most and get it first and then later on get the others?
i would also like to get like 2 older normal females to breed my pastel to next year or so and i could still be producing while im waiting for the little female to grow up. does that sound like a good idea?

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That was our plan! We bought two adult females over 1500 grams. We had some problems with one of the older females adjusting, but that just means she has to wait another year before breeding. We are trying to get a younger male pastel to lock with the other and they seem to get into the right position, but they either have their tails covered or you can see no lock is taking place when you check on them. We will keep trying as it would be cool to have pastels on our first attempt to breed ball pythons. If our other girl comes around we may try a fall breeding with her to our double het for VPI Snow to make some 50% PH VPI Axanthics, 50% PH Albinos, 25% possible double het for snow, and 25% that will be normal. No way to tell what is what until we back breed it so this batch will pretty much have 100% hold back on all females to breed back to the origional daddy taking the long odds way of doing things!

Just remember if you get those two normal females thats 2 more mouths to feed and to clean up after for 20yrs or so. I know a lot of people who get normals and then see all the morphs and are like i dont want this thing anymore... All your going to get out of pastel x normal is more pastels/normals that your going to have to find homes for... or take care of if you cant sell them. I'm not saying dont get the normals... I would just think about everything that comes with the care of 2 new snakes when your only "need" for them is to just breed until your others are up to weight...

I have 11 soon to be 12 snakes and have yet to breed any of them... I can vouch that waiting till their old enough/big enough sucks but itll be worth it in the long run.

Sometimes I just don't understand, don't you have a goal or something in your collection?
For me I want to make leucistics in the furture so I buy the animals who can make these..

Where do you want to get? If you want bumbles you buy a spider, if you want pewters you buy cinnamon, blasts..pinstripes etc.

If you already have a pastel,i would get another one to make super pastels.
It's a cheap entry in breeding with great results.

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Originally Posted by BastianUSA

If you already have a pastel,i would get another one to make super pastels.
It's a cheap entry in breeding with great results.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I really wanted the OP to do some work and make some sort of breeding plan for the future.....

For myself, I just got the "ingredients" for the morphs I wanted to keep but can't afford. I want an ivory, super cinnamon, pewter and a Sterling. Therefore I'm getting a pair of Cinnys, a pair of Yellowbellys and a female pastel. It will require lots of patience (especially the sterling) but in the end I will have my favorite morphs and the satisfaction of breeding them myself.
That's about all I have for a breeding plan at this point and it's a couple of years from even starting.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I really wanted the OP to do some work and make some sort of breeding plan for the future.....

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Breeding plans??? What are those!!!

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Breeding plans??? What are those!!!

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Those are the silly ideas you have and then change fourteen times before the female ever gets big enough to breed.

Would highly recommend the larger normal females too, its kinda nice to know what your getting into with breeding before you have to do it with several thousand dollars worth of snakes. Its alot of work but its very rewarding watching your first lock and then ovulation and waiting for eggs (thats all i have done or i would add the rest of the process in there too). But there are lots of learning hoops and bumps and hoops you go thru that first year and i am glad i have a learning year under my belt before next year.

alright, so which is more in demand right now, or the one that there is the least of pastaves or bees. Thats something to break the tie

so what your saying is it might be wiser to buy a baby female morph because that is one morph your going to have in the future you can always make crosses into other morphs

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Originally Posted by atp151415

alright, so which is more in demand right now...

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Is it just me or...?
Breeding season is over and it will take a whole other year.
So I presume that doesn't matter.
In europe last year pastel and spider were hot due to the price. This year it will be hard to sell a pastel at a nice price. Also there will be a lot new morphs available in the same price range this year.
So looking at the ball market to buy a morph is stupid I think.
Buy or save money for a morph you want to have, then you'll never feel bad after...

my 2c

I really want a Pied, So I am kind actually seting up to breed my first pied next year. But I also have picked up 6 larger normal females to breed to my pastel. I'll sell some of the males and normals and keep the female Pastels to create supers and other combos.

I also hame some Hets that I am working with as well as two femals that are off on a breedign contract that should produce a Mojo and lesser for me.

Alos picking up a spider het OG that I can breed with my Het OG = Honneybees.

and I have a set of Het pieds. :)

so just buy whatever morphs to be able to make what "I" actually want to make in the future instead of having to buy them

after hearing sean from exotics by nature talk about all this pewter stuff he is doing really makes me want to go for a pewter instead of a bumblebee, idk right now i am not really leaning towards hets though

get a spider!!! bumble bee!!!! hahahaha!! you have to have 1 bee atleast.lol

Ideally, I would say you should have gotten the pastel F first, then the spider M.

But, since you already have the pastel male, I would get a pastel female since you can shoot for a super pastel. Pastel females are ALWAYS needed in any breeding collection so you won't regret it!

JonV

i put other i have 1.1 lesser platty's 1.1 albino's and .1 pinstripe id say the only other morph i want is a .1 pied and a 1.0 het for pied

Thanks everyone for your opinions, it really helped me out

I like the idea about getting my females first for my female ingrediants, then wait tilll there 1 year old to get a male then the next year the female would be 2 and the male 1 year.

I have been emailing brian at bhb about a female cinny
then my next will be a mojave female, and then the next year a mojave and cinny male!, I cant wait!!!!!