New spider wobbles ALOT!

Sniper shakes his head when he is just moving and its really noticeable, really noticeable. Especially when he lifts up hi head to look around its super shaky. he will occasionally to the little corkscrew thing but he is always shaking his head when he moves and his heads position is upwards and to the left constantly. I know they say they all wobble, but is it supposed to happen that much? please help.

Some are really bad and some aren't.

by bad you mean unhealthy or what?

and i feel a really small lump on his neck

I would not breed a spider that had that much wobble. :(

why? I thought that it wasn't a life threatening issue.

It's not life threatening but why would you want to pass that on to progeny? IMO it is always best to breed the best of the best and for me that translates into breeding spiders that have the very least amount of wobble possible.
I have an '06 spider from Adam at 8Ball and she has never wobbled once that I have ever seen. When she strikes her prey, she is right on target. I will breed her since I feel that she represents good health in the spider morph. :)

Could he be wobbling a lot because of all the stress? I have been handling him. I will give him a break this weak and see how he is after he eats and sheds for the first time.

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Originally Posted by starmom

It's not life threatening but why would you want to pass that on to progeny? IMO it is always best to breed the best of the best and for me that translates into breeding spiders that have the very least amount of wobble possible.

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i agree. I would never bring a animal into my collection as a breeder with some thing like what you described going on.

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Originally Posted by starmom

It's not life threatening but why would you want to pass that on to progeny? IMO it is always best to breed the best of the best and for me that translates into breeding spiders that have the very least amount of wobble possible...

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total agreement here.. My 07' spider girl doesnt wobble, spin, exc either (if she does its very very little) I wouldnt consider breeding an animal that wobbles that violently either.

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Originally Posted by FL0OD

i agree. I would never bring a animal into my collection as a breeder with some thing like what you described going on.

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I had the same feelings with Impala.. she was a strikingly beautiful animal but if she did what your describing I wouldnt have selected her... did the breeder/supplier advise you of the severity when you got it? Is it something that has come on recently?

no he just said it was a normal spider.

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Originally Posted by pythontricker

no he just said it was a normal spider.

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I personally would take that up with the breeder. Advise him of the severity and ask if perhaps they can send you an animal that doesnt have that issue. Most of us dont invest the money we do in animals that can be considered "Defective" ... i know its typical and normal but I personally would be pretty upset, especially if it wasnt disclosed. If you have a camcorder or camera that has video capability I would take some video of the animal and send it to the breeder. but thats my 0.02

I got out of Spiders for these reasons. I have seen some that would have to strike many many times in order to eat. Some with crooked necks. Some that just sat there and spun in circles. They are nice animals though, make sure you buy from a Good breeder.

I'm sorry - but you knew the wobble existed - IMO - you should have inquired with the breeder before hand as to whether or not the one you wanted to purchased wobbled and to what extent - it's called doing your homework. You can contact the breeder and they might work with you - but it really is as much your fault for not asking as it is theirs for not disclosing - however most breeders naturally assume that you know what you're doing and if it's an issue for you - you'll ask. If you did make it clear to the breeder that you wanted a nonwobbler then I retract the statement.


Nextly - the amount of wobble isn't an inheritable trait - non wobblers produce wobblers and vice versa.


Good luck.

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Originally Posted by pythontricker

I'm getting a spider from Jons jungle in a few days and I'm hoping that he wobbles.

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In the other spider thread you expressed that you hoped the spider you got was a wobbler. And now this bothers you? I personally wouldn't breed or buy an animal that shows wobbling to the degree described here.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

I'm sorry - but you knew the wobble existed - IMO - you should have inquired with the breeder before hand as to whether or not the one you wanted to purchased wobbled and to what extent - it's called doing your homework. You can contact the breeder and they might work with you - but it really is as much your fault for not asking as it is theirs for not disclosing - however most breeders naturally assume that you know what you're doing and if it's an issue for you - you'll ask. If you did make it clear to the breeder that you wanted a nonwobbler then I retract the statement.
Good luck.

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Tosha is correct. When buying a spider the FIRST thing you should ask is if it displays any wobble. If the the breeder says no and when it arrives it does wobble, then you have a case of misrepresentation but in this case, I don't think there is much you can do except keep it as a pet.

The wobble is a known genetic trait... Its probably a fair statement that all spiders wobble to some degree. Some do it more than others but if it has no impact on the animals health whats the big deal? My girl wobbles but I still plan on breeding her.

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Originally Posted by JoshJP7

The wobble is a known genetic trait... Its probably a fair statement that all spiders wobble to some degree. Some do it more than others but if it has no impact on the animals health whats the big deal? My girl wobbles but I still plan on breeding her.

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Ask Corey Woods what the big deal is.
He got a spider in for a breeding arrangement a few years back that he was told was a great spider and ready to breed. The thing couldn't move much less breed. It sat in the corner of the tub with it's head and body distorted.
I don't agree with breeding spiders that have a signifigant, noticeable wobble. Granted wobblers can appear in a clutch from non-wobblers but why not use the best animals for breeders and leave the really bad wobblers out of the gene pool?

Its a personal decision as to whether or not you breed your wobbling spider. I said mine wobbles but its not like she sits there all crazy crooked neck and what not... At times she gets excited and goes a lil crazy but it stops. If his is doing it "all the time" which neither you or I can tell what he means by that then no he shouldnt breed it. I would say 85% of the time I see my spider out and about shes fine... the other 15% shes going a little crazy and does the upside down head swirling thing. To me I say its typical based on what Ive heard other peoples spiders do so I'm obv gonna breed her. If I could sit and watch his snake for a couple hours at night I might say he shouldnt breed him. Lets also remember he just got the snake... give it some time and keep your eye on it.

I haven't made up my mind on the wobbling issue. Everyone says not to breed spiders that wobble, but I know someone who has a corkscrewing spider that eats well, sheds well, and is a breeding machine. Not only that, over the few 3 years he's had him, he has sired over 50 babies and according to my friend, of those 50+ he's only had 3 with the significant wobble. He placed 1 of them in a home with a friend where it would never be bred and he's using the other two to breed back to the father who wobbles to test his theory on how that gene is passed.

personally i believe it's the responsibility of any GOOD and TRUSTED breeder to tell a potential customer that the spider they are interested in buying wobbles. why even leave that as a little 'surprise' when they open the box?

i'm still waiting for my spider from adam and honestly, if she started wobbling while she was with him, i'd expect him to tell me. (and i know he would!!!)

hence, the "buy from a trusted breeder" everyone discusses so often.

Sure the perfect buyer should find out about the wobble in spiders before buying and ask about the spider they are considering buying and wobbling. But I'd still consider any seller who doesn't disclose wobbling to be less than ideal also.

Selectively breeding for non spinning spiders assumes that the difference between spiders that spin and those that don't (ever, yet, or much depending on who you talk to) is genetic. Most things are genetic so it's certainly worth a try. But given the reports of spinning skipping generations and that it hasn’t been breed out yet this far into the cb spider production I'm worried that it might be part of the mutation its self and not be possible to breed out.

Sounds like you just got this spider. How old/big is it? If you do keep it, let us know how it does a few months down the road. If the difference between spinning and non spinning spiders turns out to be environmental then the change of environment to your rack might make the spinning stop.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

personally i believe it's the responsibility of any GOOD and TRUSTED breeder to tell a potential customer that the spider they are interested in buying wobbles. why even leave that as a little 'surprise' when they open the box?

i'm still waiting for my spider from adam and honestly, if she started wobbling while she was with him, i'd expect him to tell me. (and i know he would!!!)

hence, the "buy from a trusted breeder" everyone discusses so often.

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Hey Aleesha~ I totally agree!!! I got my '06 spider from Adam and he was totally upfront with the history of spider 'spinning' and also of the spider he was selling me; I have yet to see her spin, wobble, or do anything that would make me decide against breeding her. Going through a terrific breeder is the key when buying a spider morph.

Is there any forum on the internet that this topic hasn't been debated to death?

The wobble in Spiders is genetic. It doesn't matter if you have a Spider that wobbles or not, you're going to produce one that does. Some won't do it for years, and some will do it often. 99% of Spiders have shown to live and do fine with this problem.


He may wobble now, but he may not in a week. Someone else may have one that they never saw wobble, then it will wobble right when they want to breed it. You never know with Spiders, it just something you have to live with if you want to breed them.

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Originally Posted by starmom

It's not life threatening but why would you want to pass that on to progeny? IMO it is always best to breed the best of the best and for me that translates into breeding spiders that have the very least amount of wobble possible.
I have an '06 spider from Adam at 8Ball and she has never wobbled once that I have ever seen. When she strikes her prey, she is right on target. I will breed her since I feel that she represents good health in the spider morph. :)

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do we know that the amount of wobble can be passed on?

Alright with what some of you said I'm feeling a lot better. Personally I believe that its due to stress. He has been moved around and has been really worked and I shouldn't have been holding him so early anyways. Plus, when he is in the cage he doesn't wobble and he doesn't even really spin he just shakes his head a little. Its noticeable, but subtle. I'm going to give him a break and see how things go after a couple of days of NO handling and after he eats. If wobbling isn't life threatening and it will be inherited to offspring to certain degrees (not to noticeable, semi noticeable, really noticeable etc...) Then i don't see what the big damn deal is. + I think its cute how he does it and he is a great snake. None the less I'm going to breed him and he and Ali are going to produce spider het albino and his offspring will produce spider albino's.
P.S. (I like the wobble, I was just curious to see all the different opinions):)