Good Breeding Pair for a Noob

Would a Het Pied male and a Pastel female be a good breeding pair for a noob to start out with. I also started looking at this page and saw some I liked. http://www.jnjreptiles.com/ballpythons-selects.php

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

Would a Het Pied male and a Pastel female be a good breeding pair for a noob to start out with. I also started looking at this page and saw some I liked. http://www.jnjreptiles.com/ballpythons-selects.php

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No, would be a waste of time.
You make pastel possible het. piebalds; no one will buy..

A pastel female is a great starter project - what you pair with her is up to you - personally I would go for supers or pewters or bumbles or blasts before going the possible het route.

But if you did want to go that route be sure that you pick up a het that has the het pied "marker" as it will be more likely to throw offspring with markers and you'll have a better idea which ones to hold back - or if you want to sell them - they'll be easier to sell.

Good luck! :D

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Originally Posted by MATTI

No, would be a waste of time.
You make pastel possible het. piebalds; no one will buy..

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I think that's a little dismissive. People starting out with breeding may not be able to afford a full het pied, but can afford and are willing to try to prove out a poss het.

If I remember correctly, NERD started out their pied collection with a poss het (Kara, please correct me if I'm wrong!).

And then we had the member here last year who's CH female turned out to be a surprise het pied after he bred that girl's previous year pairing with a pastel, her pastel son, back to her...her pastel son having turned out to pick up his mom's pied gene. Pastel pieds kick booty!

So, I wouldn't dismiss that pairing so quickly - it really depends on what the first poster's breeding goals are and how long he'd like to spend reaching those goals. =)

And ps, cuz you know I gotta...


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Originally Posted by cassandra

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So, I wouldn't dismiss that pairing so quickly - it really depends on what the first poster's breeding goals are and how long he'd like to spend reaching those goals. =)

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I totally agree and I can understand that you buy a pastel poss. het. pied; but I wouldn't make them myself.

But like you said, it all depends on the topicstarter where he want's to get at what price..

Well I found a Het Pied for 125 and a Pastes female for like 100. I really would like your suggestions on which would be a very good pair to start out with. I would buy a Spider or a Bee but I dont have enough money yet. So my budget is constricted to under 200. O and on that other site was there any BP that would be good to get or somthing? :snake:

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

Well I found a Het Pied for 125 and a Pastes female for like 100. I really would like your suggestions on which would be a very good pair to start out with. I would buy a Spider or a Bee but I dont have enough money yet. So my budget is constricted to under 200. :snake:

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Uuum i would question that pastel female at being only $100 :O.Is it pastelish meaning LOOKS like it could be a pastel or a high gold normal? If its from that link above he shows some pastelish snakes.

Oh wait it was 115 for Males here is the link http://www.jnjreptiles.com/ballpythons-morphs.php

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

Oh wait it was 115 for Males here is the link http://www.jnjreptiles.com/ballpythons-morphs.php

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Yea thats about right for a male ;).

Could you guys point me at some good Morph for a Begginer to start with from here http://www.jnjreptiles.com/available.php I would really appreciate it. I dont know what morphs are good and what people like to buy. I only want to start out with 2.

No disrespect intended - but I would shop around for a better looking pastel.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

No disrespect intended - but I would shop around for a better looking pastel.

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I agree with Tosha after looking at those pics :O.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

No disrespect intended - but I would shop around for a better looking pastel.

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I would deal with a breeder and not a flipper as well.

OH I thought he was a breeder, ok this was another site I found hows this place http://ballroompythonssouth.com/stor...x.php?cPath=21

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No disrespect intended - but I would shop around for a better looking pastel.

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Oh, she doesn't look that bad, and $225 isn't a bad price for a not that great looking female. You could probably talk him down to under 200. You could produce some decent looking pastels with that if you choose a nice clean male to breed to her.

Im a nooby too & got a 100% documented albino het pair for a fair price hope to prove them out or get a albino male in the future.

Are there any on there that would be good for me to start out with on that site, or do you guys know of a good site?

check out newenglandreptiles.com

even though they are a big breeder the hets are not that expensive, even as little as $100 for most male hets.

Go to the classifieds section of www.Kingsnake.com. Ton of breeders over there. Just make sure you research the breeder before buying.

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males are cheap the females are what are hard to get & way more expensive!! they gave me my male het to close the deal.If I get a albino I won't need him, but the most I could maybe get for him is $75.66% hets are real cheap but they have to be proved out also. matter a fact they all need to be proved out you better buy friom a good reputabled breeders w/documentation,but they still have to prove out.

Hey on newenglandreptile.com I found a Male Het Orange Ghost Possible Het Frosted Ghost for 100 is that good?

Is ghost what your wanting to work with if so and that price is in your budget I'd say go for it. NERD has some of if not the best animals out.

Het Males Don't Mean Nothing Unless Your Female Is Het.too.get Some Albino Hets & Work On Them Rewards Will Be Great If They Prove Out.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Is ghost what your wanting to work with if so and that price is in your budget I'd say go for it. NERD has some of if not the best animals out.

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To bad there customer service sucks.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

To bad there customer service sucks.

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I really wanted to get my pastel from NERD but I called twice and left messages and sent them two emails and I got no answers for any of my 4 attempts. I hope that I can get in contact with them at some point in the future, because I want to get one of their beautiful blood pythons.

I ended up getting my pastel from J&J and she's not the most drop dead beautiful snake in the world, but she's got nice yellow on her sides and pretty markings. I actually liked her better because I didn't want a fully yellow lemon one (just a personal preference).

The lady I talked to at J&J was completely nice and sat on the phone with me for about 20 minutes answering all my questions. They didn't try to rip me off on shipping, either, and the actual snake was priced right (in my opinion).

From what I understand, a Pastel is a great morph to start out with because it's a co-dominant trait, so if you get a normal ball to mate with your pastel your chances are 50% of the clutch being pastels and the others being normal.

Just keep in mind if you get a male 100% het for albino for $100, you're going to have to spend twice or more of that to get a female 100% het albino in order to have a chance at actually getting any albinos who show the trait in the way that they look. If they're less than 100% then they have a chance of not having the albino trait at all.

I'm hoping to get a pastel male to breed to my female while I'm in vet school for some extra cash :D

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Originally Posted by cutemouse

I really wanted to get my pastel from NERD but I called twice and left messages and sent them two emails and I got no answers for any of my 4 attempts. I hope that I can get in contact with them at some point in the future, because I want to get one of their beautiful blood pythons.

I ended up getting my pastel from J&J and she's not the most drop dead beautiful snake in the world, but she's got nice yellow on her sides and pretty markings. I actually liked her better because I didn't want a fully yellow lemon one (just a personal preference).

The lady I talked to at J&J was completely nice and sat on the phone with me for about 20 minutes answering all my questions. They didn't try to rip me off on shipping, either, and the actual snake was priced right (in my opinion).

From what I understand, a Pastel is a great morph to start out with because it's a co-dominant trait, so if you get a normal ball to mate with your pastel your chances are 50% of the clutch being pastels and the others being normal.

Just keep in mind if you get a male 100% het for albino for $100, you're going to have to spend twice or more of that to get a female 100% het albino in order to have a chance at actually getting any albinos who show the trait in the way that they look. If they're less than 100% then they have a chance of not having the albino trait at all.

I'm hoping to get a pastel male to breed to my female while I'm in vet school for some extra cash :D

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Same story here. I just took my money elsewhere.

Chris,

No disrespect intended, Id just do these things if i were you.

1. Read up on the different morphs, the genetics, ext. NERD has some good Articles on genetics, and click on photo gallery, then ball pythons and a morph page comes up. Pick your favorite, Make a list, The genetics, and what it would take time wise and financially to make it. Rate your favorite and down, then factor in price.

2. Check classifieds, its a great place to find a variety of different price and quality animals, then read the breeder, go to there site, and see if it all seems good.

3. If you like some animals, Go to Faunaclassifieds.com , Make a account, Go to the Board of Inquiery and on the right hand side you will see a search forum thing that is only there if you register and are logged in, Google the breeders name, Company name, website ext. See the reviews. Factor in good verus bad, and if there are a few bads, go to the next guy.

4. Make sure you are ready, you have a local market to sell the snakes unless you want to get into shipping. I dont know how old you are, But if younger (going off your Intro post about Grandpa's snake), Shipping and dealing online may not be a great option, and usually there is not large local markets for morphs.

There are enough ball python breeders where there should be something you like for the price you want it for (as long as your range is in market value).

My suggestion is get one, Maybe a morph you want, Maybe a male pastel, or something else, Make sure you get your care down pat, You research a ton, and in a few months after getting good with them, Get a female, Then when both are older, and larger, (find appropriate breeding weights online), breed them. Have baby racks set up. And your good.

I dont mean to be rude, Just i wouldnt jump into breeding right away if you are not sure on morphs and what each means. Take your time, theres no rush into breeding, Its probably alot harder then it seems, and selling animals may take some time too. So make sure your ready, and then your good.

Ben

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Originally Posted by Crazydude

Chris,

No disrespect intended, Id just do these things if i were you.

1. Read up on the different morphs, the genetics, ext. NERD has some good Articles on genetics, and click on photo gallery, then ball pythons and a morph page comes up. Pick your favorite, Make a list, The genetics, and what it would take time wise and financially to make it. Rate your favorite and down, then factor in price.

2. Check classifieds, its a great place to find a variety of different price and quality animals, then read the breeder, go to there site, and see if it all seems good.

3. If you like some animals, Go to Faunaclassifieds.com , Make a account, Go to the Board of Inquiery and on the right hand side you will see a search forum thing that is only there if you register and are logged in, Google the breeders name, Company name, website ext. See the reviews. Factor in good verus bad, and if there are a few bads, go to the next guy.

There are enough ball python breeders where there should be something you like for the price you want it for (as long as your range is in market value).

Also, just currious, Do you currently own Ball pythons? If not, My suggestion is get one, Maybe a morph you want, Maybe a male pastel, or something else, Make sure you get your care down pat, You research a ton, and in a few months after getting good with them, Get a female, Then when both are older, and larger, (find appropriate breeding weights online), breed them. Have baby racks set up. And your good.

I dont mean to be rude, Just i wouldnt jump into breeding right away if you are not sure on morphs and what each means. Take your time, theres no rush into breeding, Its probably alot harder then it seems, and selling animals may take some time too. So make sure your ready, and then your good.

Ben

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awesome advice, you took the words right outta my mouth!

I understand Im 13. ANother thing my mom brought out is it might be hard for me to sell them because I might just not have what other people want. Like you guys said there are a lot of Bp Breeders and someone might see my snakes and see a different persins snake a like hte other persons because it is a nicer quality and they might think because Im a kid I dont take care of them. I guess I should get a BP just to have a BP . Thanks guys

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

I understand Im 13. ANother thing my mom brought out is it might be hard for me to sell them because I might just not have what other people want. Like you guys said there are a lot of Bp Breeders and someone might see my snakes and see a different persins snake a like hte other persons because it is a nicer quality and they might think because Im a kid I dont take care of them. I guess I should get a BP just to have a BP . Thanks guys

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Also because you are younger people might be hesitant to buy from you because they like to be able to deal with that person directly. Instead of having to go through a parent or adult. :D Best of Luck to Ya

NO if someone wanted to talk to me I would talk to them. I really would like ot breed them but I know nobody would buy htem from me:(. I would take care of htem really well and everything. I gues I could just try and get a Male Pastel and a Female Normal.

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

NO if someone wanted to talk to me I would talk to them. I really would like ot breed them but I know nobody would buy htem from me:(. I would take care of htem really well and everything. I gues I could just try and get a Male Pastel and a Female Normal.

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No buddy thats not what I meant..Tell you what if you breed and produce any let me know..I'll buy one.

Really even if it is like a Pastel

Yes of course, I know a quite a few people looking for pastels, for most people they are a good starter morph. I would venture to say that a good chunk of the people on this forum either have a pastel/s or would like one/another.

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

Really even if it is like a Pastel

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Really even if its a pastel.. you can never have to many. :D

just my 2 cents but I would try for an 07 pastel pair and that way you get to raise the snakes, practice taking care of them and when you do breed them you will throw pastels and supers! I think the going retail rate on a super pastel about 500gms right now is $1000-1500! Best return, no breeding back to line and a very desirable snake:gj: again just my :twocents:

I didnt mean to discurage you, Im just saying give it a year or two of owning just one, then get into breeding, Dont jump in just because you think its a good money return, or cool. If you produce good animals people will buy them, I doubt you will get garenteed buyers, but people would buy from you if you can put good healthy animals at a competitive price and good quality. Thats buisness. Local would be better, because getting certified to ship them, making transactions online (involves paypal, or money orders ext. ), would be hard to do at your age. Quality is another thing. I love my pastel, but its that i love him, Hes not the most colorful, cleanest (color wise), so his babies may not fetch much, and may be hard to sell. Dont get me wrong he has a killer pattern, personality, and i wouldnt trade him for the world. Just make sure if you are set on breeding, A Male pastel that will have good babies will be pricey.

Heres what id do. Talk to your grandpa, ask if you got a snake, later after you fully understood everything, would he take up the task of breeding them with you. Putting the adult into the situation would really give the buyer a peice of mind.

Im a little older then you So im not saying anything about age or id be contradicting myself. So i understand, I take care of my animals, They are great, I totally understand you capable of doing it, But dont rush in. In my opinion, A new owner really shouldnt breed right away.

Just a few things to consider:
If a shipment gets lost, will you call Fed-Ex, track it down, be serious, and not get upset at anyone?
If the animal dies in shippment would you replace it, give money back ext?
Would you buy a incubator ($50 or so)
Hatchling racks ($200 or so)
Breed rodents or buy bulk live mice/rats weekly?
Spend upwards of $100 on a thermostat per housing unit?

Those things are whats stopping me, I have the money, time, knowlege, but its alot to handle, and something that would be great, but alot of work. And at my age, it just gives another wall. (but it can be overcome).


ext. All im trying to say is price everything out, You wont make money the first year and get one first. Start small and build up, Thats what everyone does, Jumping the gun leads to mistakes with anyone, in anything. Running fast you can trip easier.

Anyway, Its great to see more younger people into the hobby, But as ive said a bunch of times, start small. And also, definitally talk to your grandpa about it, maybe hed like to do it with you if you live nearby.

Ben

THanks CrazyDude, I dont live with my grandpa any more m ymom got married :D:P. A lot of people think though that Im going to breed as soon as I get the snakes, but I just want to make clear to everyon that is not what is going to happen. I meet thier needs and make sure thier healthy and learn more before I do that.:reading::reading::reading::D

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

NO if someone wanted to talk to me I would talk to them. I really would like ot breed them but I know nobody would buy htem from me:(. I would take care of htem really well and everything. I gues I could just try and get a Male Pastel and a Female Normal.

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It's not that you wouldn't talk to them, some may be hesitant to deal with you because you are a minor and legally unable to enter into a binding contract. If an issue arose they would have to pursue a resolution with your parent/legal guardian.

Don't be discouraged though, you're never too young to get into reptiles! Just be sure get the snakes for the right reason, if it's to make money then be aware that it will be awhile before you see a return on your investment.

No Chris, I totally understand, I was more of saying start small, and build. Get one, and when your ready, get the second.

After reading through my post, it is a little repetative and could be considered rude in a way, Sorry and i hope you didnt take it that way.

Id love to breed too, but from my situation, by the time my male is ld enough to breed, and i got another female, id be close to college. Another thing to consider if you have plans in that way.

Sam definitally has a great point. I think his post right above mine is right on point and i tottally agree with it.

Get a snake for a pet, then go into breeding, Dont get snakes for straight breeding.

Oh and what i meant with grandpa, was that if he lives somewhat near, you could ask if he would want to do it with you.

Its great to see more younger folks getting into herps, And expecially ones that do do there research, and do search for more info. Alot of adults dont even go that far even after they get the animal or after it gets sick. So bravo to you.

What ever you do, there is a wealth of info on this board to assist you. There seems to be a post on anything, Just search the topic, and if not, it seems everyone here is very helpful and well meaning. :gj:
Ben

Hey- just saw this thread. If you are still wondering what 2 snakes to get, I might suggest a male and female pastel. You could get a screamer lemon from NERD and get a good other pastel from NERD or 8Ball or TSK (to name a few).
Pastels wont rob the bank and you could pair them up and make supers!!

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Originally Posted by Repti-Rob

just my 2 cents but I would try for an 07 pastel pair and that way you get to raise the snakes, practice taking care of them and when you do breed them you will throw pastels and supers! I think the going retail rate on a super pastel about 500gms right now is $1000-1500! Best return, no breeding back to line and a very desirable snake:gj: again just my :twocents:

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See great minds think alike:gj:

I would start off with one female, pastel is an excellent choice IMO. Wait to buy a male later. The female is gonna take you close to 3 years(if she's a baby and by the prices you are quoting these are small girls). Get her and start raising her up, learn the ropes so to speak. Then when she is getting big and you learned about snakes, morphs and saved your $ you can get a nice male, prices will be better most likely. A male can breed in about a year, some even less. So why get one now, I guarantee the more you learn about morphs the more you will change your mind about what you like. You are young, you have time on your side, raise a female up for 1 1/2 - 2 years and then get a male. You will be smarter, experienced and know exactly what your plans are. If you want to get 2 snake get 2 females.

Thats my advice. Girls now boys later.