Boa question???

ok so im going to be getting my first boa and i have 3 options. Could you boa owners please help me deciede.

Option 1.) Buy my boa (hopefully an 08 or late 07 i want a baby) on April 5th at the All-Ohio Reptile Expo bring him back to my college Dorm where i can provide a 30g tank for him. June 13th i will be out of school and at home can provide the right size for him.

Option 2.) Buy my boa on May 17th same place and house him in th 30g untill June 13th.

Option 3.) wait till June 17th when im back home and buy my boa then?


Option 1 is what i would like, just cause i already cant wait any longer. But i want to be responsible and make sure my boa has everything it needs...my question is in those 2 months do you think he will be ok in a 30g which the dimensions are roughly 24x12x18. or will he quickly out grow that? in that case would option 2 be ok he would only be in it for a month before i went back and could supply him with a bigger house?


p.s. i already have a vet lined up and the funds, its just space

Thank You Guys
Zack

If you buy a baby, a thirty gal would almost be overkill for a few months, just MY OPINION

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

If you buy a baby, a thirty gal would almost be overkill for a few months, just MY OPINION

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if overkill? then what size of enclosures should i have for boa as they grow? should i contiunally upgrade or just but that 6 footer after he grows a little

If you put a young snake (mainly any snake) in an enclosure that is too large, they may get stressed very easily and MAY not eat. It is better to get the appropriate size tank and upgrade when needed, then to get a huge tank, and wait for the snake to grow into it. Im sure you will find that most people feel that way.

I have young Nicaraguan boas in 12 and 15 qt containers in a rack.

A baby up to about 30" would be fine for two months in a tank half the size of the one you have now.

Look for Gary and John at the show, they have good snakes and are good guys. I can't think of what they call their business but you can find them here www.thereptileroom.org.

Gary owns the site and John is his brother. Shoot either of them a pm or email and they'll even let you know what they have before the show.

Hey Pattimus, how do baby boas in the wild avoid stressing out with all that forest around them?

LOL

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Originally Posted by wilomn

A baby up to about 30" would be fine for two months in a tank half the size of the one you have now.

Look for Gary and John at the show, they have good snakes and are good guys. I can't think of what they call their business but you can find them here www.thereptileroom.org.

Gary owns the site and John is his brother. Shoot either of them a pm or email and they'll even let you know what they have before the show.

Hey Pattimus, how do baby boas in the wild avoid stressing out with all that forest around them?

LOL

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THank you very much for that info!!! are you from Ohio?

Ive always wondreed the same question...bout how they say space stresses them out..but as far as i know the wild if pretty BIG

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Hey Pattimus, how do baby boas in the wild avoid stressing out with all that forest around them?

LOL

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Wes, you didnt know, the snake stork keeps them all cozy untill they are about 3 feet then they let them go

I will tend to agree with "Patty Cakes" (why would you give yourself a name like that? lol). I gradually upgrade the Boa's homes in four stages for girls and three stages for boys. They start out in shoe box size containers (you can skip this step), and then they go to to about a 30 qt tub, then on to about a 40 qt, and then the females will get moved up to a 421d when they are reaching breeding size. Hope this helps!

If you really want a boa now, and think you can care for it and eventually move it to your new place, then go for it. Boas are great and shows are nice way to shop the market all in one conveniently located place. Have fun shopping!

Yikes! I have my boa, born September 2007, in an RBI 2x3 cage. She eats, drinks, poos and pees, and sheds perfectly! She is also very okay now with being held and taken out of and put back into her cage!! I guess mine's not too big for her....or I just lucked out!!! :P

thanks guys...Jimi dont think i forgot about you...

But everyone thank you for your tips, i think im going to go to the show and not go in saying that i HAVE to buy a snake...but i will go on April 5th and if one catches my eye then i will possibly buy one...thank you guys

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Originally Posted by starmom

Yikes! I have my boa, born September 2007, in an RBI 2x3 cage. She eats, drinks, poos and pees, and sheds perfectly! She is also very okay now with being held and taken out of and put back into her cage!! I guess mine's not too big for her....or I just lucked out!!! :P

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Haha, just because my way works for me or a few others, doesn't make it the only right way to do things. :gj:

Jimis WAY OR NO WAY!!!!

hahaha

Jimi, you can call me Mr. Cakes

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

...Boas are great and shows are nice way to shop the market all in one conveniently located place. Have fun shopping!

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I have never been to a show (living in Oregon) so I have not ever shopped at a show. So, my question: Does shopping at shows leave the buyer with a stressed out snake that has also been exposed to all kinds of germs and illnesses? Just wondering..... :confused:

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Originally Posted by starmom

I have never been to a show (living in Oregon) so I have not ever shopped at a show. So, my question: Does shopping at shows leave the buyer with a stressed out snake that has also been exposed to all kinds of germs and illnesses? Just wondering..... :confused:

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From a respectable breeder, germs and illnesses wouldn't be an issue, but the stress from being at the show, being passed around, gawked at, may cause stress.

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

Jimis WAY OR NO WAY!!!!...

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Oh good grief!! :( Jimi's way or NO WAY???? :O Heck, had I known Jimi's way I might have been able to hold Zelda sooner! :D Probably, this is dependent also on the personality of snake~ while Zelda can't wait until 'Link' gets here to save the day, she seems quite in charge of her surroundings! ;)

shows are a good way to pick up mites and stuff if you're not careful. But that's what hand sanitizer is for.

yall are kind getting me woried about the show now

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Originally Posted by eddyhead

yall are kind getting me woried about the show now

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Just be smart.

Keep your eyes open, look at the snake carefully. How many other snakes are on the table? Do you recognize the name?

Like I said, If they are a respectable business person, you most likely will not find little critters and buggies.

Wes, Thanks bro!

Like said look at the animal before purchase.

I personally use Provent a Mite on all displays and cloth I put down on my table. I can not even have Tarantulas on my table unless I bring a clean table cloth and use it on a seperate table lol. I also use Black Knight II now.

If you want eddyhead, you can come and see me at the show. I can introduce you to 95% of the vendors there. Even if I do not have something you like I am sure I can help you choose a healthy animal at the show. That is not a problem at all. Just remember if you do not see something you like there is no reason to buy. The show is monthly and baby season is right around the corner lol.

Thanks again Wes!!!

In my years I have purchased dozens of snakes at shows and have NEVER picked up mites. I honestly think saying that shows are a way to "pick up mites" is flat out irresponsible and reckless behavior. Most breeders that do shows are top notch and willing to invest significant money to do so. They value their animals and really have a huge interest in doing things the right way sure as hell a lot more then typical pet shops (most of whom are negligent beyond words).

Again I find the statement that shows are a "good way to pick up mites" to be both RECKLESS and IRRESPONSIBLE and if I were a breeder that sold at shows would consider it "liable" (look that up in a legal dictionary).

On the size of enclosure issue a 30 gal is fine for a young boa and will probably be fine for 18 months - 24 months depending on feeding schedules and sub species.

i've picked up snakes with mites at a show, so I don't know how you consider me saying that reckless and irresponsible. Clearly you're not considering the importers that are at shows.

and for the record Jack, it's libel.

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Originally Posted by Gary Orner

If you want eddyhead, you can come and see me at the show. I can introduce you to 95% of the vendors there. Even if I do not have something you like I am sure I can help you choose a healthy animal at the show. That is not a problem at all. Just remember if you do not see something you like there is no reason to buy. The show is monthly and baby season is right around the corner lol.

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Wow, Sounds like an off I'D never refuse!

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Originally Posted by Gary Orner

Wes, Thanks bro!

Like said look at the animal before purchase.

I personally use Provent a Mite on all displays and cloth I put down on my table. I can not even have Tarantulas on my table unless I bring a clean table cloth and use it on a seperate table lol. I also use Black Knight II now.

If you want eddyhead, you can come and see me at the show. I can introduce you to 95% of the vendors there. Even if I do not have something you like I am sure I can help you choose a healthy animal at the show. That is not a problem at all. Just remember if you do not see something you like there is no reason to buy. The show is monthly and baby season is right around the corner lol.

Thanks again Wes!!!

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hey Gary i pm on your fourm TRR, and you responded. Thank you for the reassurance about the show, and i might take you up on the offer of introducing me, or at least pointing out some good breeders to me.

My name is Zack, and i look forward to seeing you shortly (of course after my spring break in Panama City Beach :banana:). and i would like to think everyone for helping me with my questions on here, you all have been very helpful:salute:

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Originally Posted by jjspirko

In my years I have purchased dozens of snakes at shows and have NEVER picked up mites. I honestly think saying that shows are a way to "pick up mites" is flat out irresponsible and reckless behavior. Most breeders that do shows are top notch and willing to invest significant money to do so. They value their animals and really have a huge interest in doing things the right way sure as hell a lot more then typical pet shops (most of whom are negligent beyond words).

Again I find the statement that shows are a "good way to pick up mites" to be both RECKLESS and IRRESPONSIBLE and if I were a breeder that sold at shows would consider it "liable" (look that up in a legal dictionary).

On the size of enclosure issue a 30 gal is fine for a young boa and will probably be fine for 18 months - 24 months depending on feeding schedules and sub species.

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Dude, Shows are one of the worst places to pick up mites! Get a Clue!!!

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Dude, Shows are one of the worst places to pick up mites! Get a Clue!!!

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Col. Mustard, Library, Candlestick

No no no no Game Room

Hahaha 2 for 2 on your part Jas!

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

Give it up my friend, some people will never learn. Better not waste your breath on a creature that wants no air.

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Sounds like a modern version of "do not cast your pearls among swine", wise words Pat but I am sorry I hate statements that DAMAGE the reputations of breeders that work hard. qiksilver's statement of

"i've picked up snakes with mites at a show, so I don't know how you consider me saying that reckless and irresponsible."

is about as valid as a person saying that

"i've picked up herpes on a date, so I don't know how you consider me saying that dates are a great way to get VD is reckless and irresponsible".

It just plain pi$$es me of for a person to damage the business of professionals that work very hard to do a good job and take great care of their animals as MOST breeders that exhibit at shows do.

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Originally Posted by jjspirko

Sounds like a modern version of "do not cast your pearls among swine", wise words Pat but I am sorry I hate statements that DAMAGE the reputations of breeders that work hard. qiksilver's statement of

"i've picked up snakes with mites at a show, so I don't know how you consider me saying that reckless and irresponsible."

is about as valid as a person saying that

"i've picked up herpes on a date, so I don't know how you consider me saying that dates are a great way to get VD is reckless and irresponsible".

It just plain pi$$es me of for a person to damage the business of professionals that work very hard to do a good job and take great care of their animals as MOST breeders that exhibit at shows do.

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You need to get out more often Bro. Shows aint what they used to be.. Hell, Even Flippers set up now a days!

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

You need to get out more often Bro. Shows aint what they used to be.. Hell, Even Flippers set up now a days!

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See this is the crap I am talking about watch me do the same thing to your statement as qiksilver's changing very few words

"You need to get out more often Bro. Dates aint what they used to be.. Hell, Even "nice boys/girls" can be dangerous nowadays"

Words have power you need to be careful of how you generalize things,

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Originally Posted by jjspirko

See this is the crap I am talking about watch me do the same thing to your statement as qiksilver's changing very few words

"You need to get out more often Bro. Dates aint what they used to be.. Hell, Even "nice boys/girls" can be dangerous nowadays"

Words have power you need to be careful of how you generalize things,

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Why Change what I said? I stand behind it 100% Mites!! Are at Shows! And so is IBD!!:O

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Why Change what I said? I stand behind it 100% Mites!! Are at Shows! And so is IBD!!:O

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Avoiding reality does not in any way eliminate reality!:snake:

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Originally Posted by jjspirko

Avoiding reality does not in anyway eliminate reality!:snake:

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Talking in circles does I guess? Bl.. ..

It's ruining no reputations, no one was implicated personally as having mites in their collections. Therefore no harm no foul. It was merely a precautionary word to be careful at shows, what's all the fuss? I've seen what I've seen, and that's what I'm commenting on, so don't tell me my own opinion.

lets stop the ruckus and answer questions. which mine have been answered Thank you..

gary see you soon.


Zack

Hello,

Superfluous and argumentative posts have been removed from this thread for staff review.

Please try and keep threads on-topic and, should you feel the need to make comments that do not belong on this forum, take them to PM at the very least.


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even the song was taken.....ugh!

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Originally Posted by eddyhead

lets stop the ruckus and answer questions. which mine have been answered Thank you..

gary see you soon.


Zack

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Cool bro. If you are interested in Nic Boas my Buddy Carl Aiken, He has some sweet Nics! A bit smaller then Columbians. Well ok they are a lot smaller lol. But still a sweet snake. If My Buddies clutch has dropped Mike Novy might be there with some sweet boas too. Not sure if he will have any normals but we will see. No worries at all. We will see if there is a quality animal that you like there. And just go from there.

Look forward to meeting you! It will be a blast at the show.

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

even the song was taken.....ugh!

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Hi,

Well it's not like it made any sense without the rest of the posts. :confused:


dr del

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Hello,

Superfluous and argumentative posts have been removed from this thread for staff review.

Please try and keep threads on-topic and, should you feel the need to make comments that do not belong on this forum, take them to PM at the very least.


Bp.net Staff

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I love the pm idea, And have done that. It worked well! Jack and I are Hooking up in Daytona!!:O
My ? Here is What does Superfluous Mean??

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

I love the pm idea, And have done that. It worked well! Jack and I are Hooking up in Daytona!!:O
My ? Here is What does Superfluous Mean??

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It means exactly what you said in PM that I can't say here because that thing you said will happen again, :snake::rofl: So when is Datona? I love FLA grew up there be happy to cruise out for a good show,

boogers this was turning into a fun and lively topic!

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Originally Posted by jjspirko

It means exactly what you said in PM that I can't say here because that thing you said will happen again, :snake::rofl: So when is Datona? I love FLA grew up there be happy to cruise out for a good show,

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August 18th Hun..:cool:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

I love the pm idea, And have done that. It worked well! Jack and I are Hooking up in Daytona!!:O
My ? Here is What does Superfluous Mean??

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Hi,

Dunno - does this seem to make sense?


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Dunno - does this seem to make sense?


dr del

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Hi,

Nope

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Originally Posted by jdmls88

boogers this was turning into a fun and lively topic!

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Well you know how things are today everyone is fricken sensitive, and politically correct. God forbid people should actually say what they think and toss in some sarcasm for effect, :O NO WAY God forbid the sky may fall, :tears:.

I really wish I could post here what Jas sent me by PM it was fricken hysterical. Yet if I did, the thunder of the mighty moderators would smite us all.

Oh, You had a link in there~!! Duh..

Darn!~ I missed all the relevant stuff!! It was my question and spirited debates are intellectually stimulating and multidimensional and healthy! I don't understand why everything is being so overly-sanitized.... :(

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Originally Posted by starmom

Darn!~ I missed all the relevant stuff!! It was my question and spirited debates are intellectually stimulating and multidimensional and healthy! I don't understand why everything is being so overly-sanitized.... :(

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Because our nation is rapidly moving from a capitalist republic to a socialist judiciary. We just can't let anyone be offended anymore but if you want a laugh PM me and I will tell you what Jas said to me by PM. It will give you a laugh and explain the why behind the PC necessity that all former bastions on free speech seem to be destined to destroy themselves with.

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Originally Posted by eddyhead

yall are kind getting me woried about the show now

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Don't let them. At the very least you are going to be able to look around and decide who you will get the little guy from. Grab a can of provent-a-mite while you're there and you'll most likely be fine. Just make you sure you know who you are buying off from is all.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Darn!~ I missed all the relevant stuff!! It was my question and spirited debates are intellectually stimulating and multidimensional and healthy! I don't understand why everything is being so overly-sanitized.... :(

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I completely agree...:irkd: