Derma balls

Anyone have one?

Ther is/was only one.. not genetic

wow really

Is that thing even still alive?

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Ther is/was only one.. not genetic

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biggest kick in the balls today:D...derma most fragile, yet one of coolest to look at

for the ones who havent seen it
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6126/derma2ol6.jpg

Is it partially scale-less?

thats freaky

Oh my gosh, thats amazing! How long ago was he/she born? Thats amazing. Was it a disease?

Wow!! I wonder what it feels like cause it looks soft?

Does anyone have a link to more info about that ball?

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Ther is/was only one.. not genetic

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I don't think that's been proven yet Jas. If it is it's recessive though.

Its been a few years since then, I'm sure even if it was recessive they would have proved it by now.

After causing lots of drama the man who owns the original seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

After causing lots of drama the man who owns the original seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

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He was most likely being bombarded with phone messages and email 24/7.

There was a harp maker in BC Canada a few years ago who was very well known for his excellent hand-crafted Celtic harps. After he died his family was so bombarded with phone messages from people asking if they were selling his few remaining instruments that they had to change their phone number.

I just wonder if this snake, lacking scales, would also lack the scales that protect its eyes. Hmm...

I think it still has to prove out if he/she still exists.
The scaleless Texas rat snake (BHB) is a recessive morph so I see the same with the derma ball.

Those scaleless texas rats look insane! I want one!

could be photoshopped. where are the heat pits on its lip?

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Originally Posted by FL0OD

could be photoshopped. where are the heat pits on its lip?

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It looks photoshopped to me also... :colbert:

That's like the hairless cat. I've heard that hairless cats are a lot more work to care for. They don't have protection from the elements and such. You have to bath them and give them eye drops and stuff like that.
I would think a scaleless snake could have some potential health problems. Without the protection of the scales the substrate would have to be something that wouldn't hurt him, would his eyes be protected if the scales were gone, etc......
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Originally Posted by FL0OD

could be photoshopped. where are the heat pits on its lip?

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Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read that it was born without heat pits.

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Originally Posted by casperca

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read that it was born without heat pits.

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Your right!

i have no point of reference to defend my ?question? I just thought it looked strange.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Your right!

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:D oh good!

The Derma is an 05 male - Justin claimed to have the mother and several siblings, he also said the Derma had been breeding and had eggs produced/offspring. We have heard nothing past that point. I would think if it were genetic - he'd have proven it out by now even if it were recessive.

I do not even think they should try to prove it out. No heat pits? No protective scales that also do other things? It just sounds like humans being greedy to me, and not thinking of the snake:colbert: I'm not saying that you all agree with it, but i would not support it.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

I do not even think they should try to prove it out. No heat pits? No protective scales that also do other things? It just sounds like humans being greedy to me, and not thinking of the snake:colbert: I'm not saying that you all agree with it, but i would not support it.

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I agree, I mean dont bps need heat pits?

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Originally Posted by aaramire

I agree, I mean dont bps need heat pits?

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Just to eat..

it's kinda cool, but at the same time kinda sad. I mean every living thing is made a specific way for a reason. I just see it as a genetic flaw, kinda like people who are born blind, or who are born with dwarfism (if thats a word?). At the same time though if it was born into a house with someone who could take proper care of it, i'm sure it would do fine.

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Originally Posted by RBCpythons

it's kinda cool, but at the same time kinda sad. I mean every living thing is made a specific way for a reason. I just see it as a genetic flaw, kinda like people who are born blind, or who are born with dwarfism (if thats a word?). At the same time though if it was born into a house with someone who could take proper care of it, i'm sure it would do fine.

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Are you saying Dwarves are a genetic Flaw? And Blind people also? WOW!

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Are you saying Dwarves are a genetic Flaw?

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Its also a dominant gene too.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

The Derma is an 05 male - Justin claimed to have the mother and several siblings, he also said the Derma had been breeding and had eggs produced/offspring. We have heard nothing past that point. I would think if it were genetic - he'd have proven it out by now even if it were recessive.

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You might "think", but I would say you "think" wrong. I believe the siblings never existed, so the females produced from the Derma should only be old enough for this year.

I actually am 99.9% sure that this is true.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Are you saying Dwarves are a genetic Flaw? And Blind people also? WOW!

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Is this the one and only "Jas" trying to be "politically correct"?:) I guess they were out of Molson out the local liquor store.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

there were/are two "derma" balls that i know of, the one in this thread and another less extreme but very similar, the head had more scales, cant say if it had pits or not, i only saw the pic so im afraid i cant tell you if its still alive or who owns/owned it, but there are/were more than one, which i suppose increases the chances of it being inheritable.

loxo

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Are you saying Dwarves are a genetic Flaw? And Blind people also? WOW!

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It's a genetic mutation that causes it. It deviates from what evolution has determined to be a "normal" member of Homo sapiens. In that sense, it is a "flaw".

Keep in mind, though, it's a massive network of these "flaws" that have made us what we are. Without mutations (some randomly beneficial, giving certain members an advantage) there would be no evolution. Unfortunately, in the case of the blind person, he would most likely be selected against. The dwarf on the other hand - well it would depend on his environment if he would do better or worse for his size.

tried to edit but apparently i was past the "10 minute mark" (??)

Fortunately, we're currently at the top of the food chain and have complex systems in place to attempt to give everyone an equal footing. The blind person is not going to die just because he can't see (the way he might have a few hundred thousand years ago).

Other things, like Cystic Fibrosis and Sickle-cell Anemia are also genetic (correct me if i'm wrong). They're mutations that cause the homozygous form to be heavily selected against. These would very accurately be described as flaws, don't you think? And they're the same thing - genetic differences from the norm causing advantages or disadvantages for the carrier.

Some blindness can be genetic flaws, for instance - if babies are born without the correct receptors to send signals to and from the central nervous system, or if they are lacking parts of the eye etc. However, a lot of blindness comes from problems in the womb, or while birthing or even developed from some sort of disease, which is not necessarily genetic. As far as dwarfism, my dad is 5'5", and I am 4'11". My kids are shorties too, I'll tell you if they prove out in a few years *snicker*

Saw pic of scaleless normal cornsnake and it's cool. Can't wait till someone produce scaleless hypo miami stripe corn...should be in 6-7 years from now I think.

Next year there'll be scaleless texas rat, scaleless corn, and scaleless bearded dragon in the market lol Is there anything else genetically(is that a word? lol) scaleless?

Derma is still alive and well. It is owned by Justin Sakov. I have been to his house and seen the animal on several occasions. There are pictures of derma breeding females but they never took. Justin has offered to let me run it through some females but that will have to wait till next season. I believe he would sell him for the right price. He is not into the snakes as much as he was. He has told me some interesting stories over the last six months of knowing him. The snake is around 700 grams eating every couple of weeks. The heat pits are under the skin. Even thinking about borrowing him makes me nervous. I know he was offered alot of money for the animal and I think he kicks himself for not taking the money, but he is able to laugh about it. Alot of people put Derma down but it is a awesome animal.

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Originally Posted by snkcraz

Derma is still alive and well. It is owned by Justin Sakov. I have been to his house and seen the animal on several occasions. There are pictures of derma breeding females but they never took. Justin has offered to let me run it through some females but that will have to wait till next season. I believe he would sell him for the right price. He is not into the snakes as much as he was. He has told me some interesting stories over the last six months of knowing him. The snake is around 700 grams eating every couple of weeks. The heat pits are under the skin. Even thinking about borrowing him makes me nervous. I know he was offered alot of money for the animal and I think he kicks himself for not taking the money, but he is able to laugh about it. Alot of people put Derma down but it is a awesome animal.

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x2 I got tons of pics of him from back in the day if the people on here want me to post em.

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Originally Posted by stormbourne

Some blindness can be genetic flaws, for instance - if babies are born without the correct receptors to send signals to and from the central nervous system, or if they are lacking parts of the eye etc. However, a lot of blindness comes from problems in the womb, or while birthing or even developed from some sort of disease, which is not necessarily genetic. As far as dwarfism, my dad is 5'5", and I am 4'11". My kids are shorties too, I'll tell you if they prove out in a few years *snicker*

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hhahaha!

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

x2 I got tons of pics of him from back in the day if the people on here want me to post em.

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throw them up

I'd like to see some more pictures too

[QUOTE=Sunny1;741870]Wow!! I wonder what it feels like cause it looks soft?

Yea I wounder what those balls feel like.....HAHAHAHAHA :banana:

Sorry couldn't resist! They kind of remind me of the hairless rats/mice and guinea pigs.

pics please?

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Originally Posted by ladybird

pics please?

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I did a couple of searches on google and wasnt able to find any pics
Everything had expired links

Sorry this took forever :( been into RTBs of late. :D

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5668/5eeng5jq9.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4677/5eeohtlo1.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9...mabellyri8.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3...rmabodydo5.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6678/dermamz8.jpg

soooo amazing....i hope it can be proven out

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Originally Posted by boost3d05

soooo amazing....i hope it can be proven out

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Why? I think that's messed up. I draw the line when the animal is missing body parts...

That poor thing should have been put down. I'm surprised it's still alive. Blows my mind that someone is trying to breed it.... and people wonder why BP's are showing up with more and more genetic problems. Sadly $$$ has a big way of warping peoples minds when it comes to common sense.

So scaleless corns and rats are wrong too?????