Help: My spider turn...gray

Here's her pic before
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...8289_27368.jpg

http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...8512_27368.jpg
She's in shed in this pic

She shed one day after I took the above pic...and here's how she look today when I found her
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...1204976370.jpg

I think she's gravid, but she's not supposed to change color this much right?
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...6497_27401.jpg

She looks almost axanthic like...there's no yellow on her
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...6627_27401.jpg

The fact that she turn gray overnight means something's wrong with her. What should I do? She's jumpier than before as well, but she's still alert and move normally. SHe's stop feeding for a while now.

She got that scratch on her face from scratching her face against the tub because of stuck shed.

Any info will be appriciated.
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...6774_27401.jpg

wow, i think she looks awesome!!!!! ive never seen anything like that before

Yes, she looks cool, but the fact that she suddenly drop her color really worried me. :(

i wonder why she had such a dramatic change.. i hope its nothing to worry about and more something to admire

When my spider had her last shed she went from a brown to having a bright green hue. She is healthy but I was quite surprised by the change. It made her look like a different snake. Maybe your snake isn't having a problem.

WOAH!!! The color change is awesome! She's even more gorgeous that before! I hope she's alright though.

T,
She is fine. This seems to happen more often the believed. I have not seen it in my personal collection, but have seen it on many forums, and talked to some people that have seen it. Noone I have spoken with knows what causes it, but over the next 3-6 sheds, she will more than likely slowly turn back to her original color.

I don't "think" that this color change will affect her health, and I don't believe it's a sign of anything wrong with her, but I'd wait for those more experienced to comment. It is an amazing change and VERY cool looking!

Edit - Tim answered! Yay! I know if I were you - I'd take tons of pictures of her like this to enjoy after she returns to her normal coloration - so cool! You should take a really cool picture of her and submit in BPOM contest!

Wow!!! That really is an Amazing color change. Let me know when she lays. I would like a chance at one.

yea take a lot of pics before she turns, that is the coolest thing i have seen in a while. :sweeet:

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Originally Posted by JAMills

Wow!!! That really is an Amazing color change. Let me know when she lays. I would like a chance at one.

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Dude, there's gonna be two small problems. I'm exactly half the world from you and my wonderful government prohibit exportation of any kind of snake lol

Thanks y'all(especially you, Tim) for every comments, I feel a bit better now. :)

I dunno if it's any help at all, but I can second what Tim has said. I don't have personal experience with this change, but have read about numerous separate accounts of it happening. In some, it happend gradually over 2-3 sheds, and in some it happened all at once like with yours. In each case, there were no ill effects to the snake at all, and it returned to its normal color within a few months and a few sheds.

Absolutely stunning spider you got there...both in her usual "wardrobe" and in her new outfit! :D Her and that beautiful pastel are gonna make some smokin' bees!

Ralph Davis just emailed me back and I just talked to Amir on the phone.
Both of them're saying the same thing as Tim. She'll turn back to normal after several shedding. I guess it's photo time lol :D

Amir actually told me that the animal will even have a brighter yellow after they get their yellow back. Will keep y'all update. :gj:

It's like...while the new skin was developing right before the shedding process....the ink cartridge with the yellow/brown pigment went empty. She'll have to wait for a new shipment to come in before her color returns to normal. :P

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Originally Posted by JLC

It's like...while the new skin was developing right before the shedding process....the ink cartridge with the yellow/brown pigment went empty. She'll have to wait for a new shipment to come in before her color returns to normal. :P

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lol
Now I wish she will like her new look better and never change back to her old color ;)

Just like when my wife decide to turn old, she never look back!

No offence to all the BP ladies! :D

In a way, I guess this is a sneak peek of how Axanthic Spider will look like. I always want one...cool.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

T,
She is fine. This seems to happen more often the believed. I have not seen it in my personal collection, but have seen it on many forums, and talked to some people that have seen it. Noone I have spoken with knows what causes it, but over the next 3-6 sheds, she will more than likely slowly turn back to her original color.

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Does the temporary color loss seem to coincide with the females being gravid (and is the color loss only with females)? Perhaps when a female's body is short on resources and she's building up eggs, the eggs are priority over the pigmentation process during her shed?

Anyway, it's a very interesting phenomenon :) Pictures, pictures while it lasts!

WOW. I wish I had a spider that could do that! Wait... I wish I had a spider! Lucky....

Lol Take lots of pictures please!:D

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Originally Posted by AzureN1ght

Does the temporary color loss seem to coincide with the females being gravid (and is the color loss only with females)? Perhaps when a female's body is short on resources and she's building up eggs, the eggs are priority over the pigmentation process during her shed?

Anyway, it's a very interesting phenomenon :) Pictures, pictures while it lasts!

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I can't speak for what Tim has read, but for me, this is the first time I've heard of it with a breeding female that may be gravid.

That is amazing! Please continue to take regular pictures of her so you have the whole color change from start to finish to add to this thread. I think this is just fascinating!

They dont always turn back. Yes I have seen this in person.

I have a female right now that is doing this. She shed and her whole body from about two finger widths down her spine to her belly is a steel blue gray color.

presto chango!

Enjoy her while it lasts. and tell everyone you have an axanthic spider lol :)

Justin

Wow! Absolutely amazing :D As mentioned, please keep us posted!

That is stunning, I would take it as a good sign!

No that is not a light trick that really is her color..Very cool stuff shocked the hell out of me when I opened her tub and there was a gray snake looking up at me.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0/bluegray.jpg

Keep us posted I would love to compaire notes

she was nice looking before but WOW. I LOVE the way she looks now. Hey if any of the babies comeout like that put me down for one ;D

Can some one please talk some sense..
If you are worried, take her to a vet for crying out loud.
Take her to the vet just in case.

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Can some one please talk some sense..
If you are worried, take her to a vet for crying out loud.
Take her to the vet just in case.

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Huh?:confused:

No offense, but the people he has talked to( RDR and others) I would be much more inclined to believe one of them over a vet anyday. RDR and a select few have even seen this strange occurrence, much less a vet. Vets have enough trouble diagnosing a RI....

SShe looks amazing.

Shes pretty awesome!
Hows the Super Ball doing? Did you end up keeping him?
Jon

I would have brought her to vet, if I didn't get any information on her. However, many breeders told me that this thing happens and it is not harmful to my snakes. Those people are (in order of whom I get information from first) Tim, Ralph, Amir, Brian, and Chun. They all told me exact same thing. So I guess it's pretty safe for me to sit on my butt and enjoy her new look while it last.

More new pics soon :D

I end up keeping him Jon. I've realized that super ball is hard to find, so I better keep one for myself since I have a chance to get one. He's one mean dude though, so many people here got tagged by him lol

Also bought one adult male Angolan x Ball couple months ago as well...can't wait to see him. I'm starting a ball hybrid collection. :) Next one I'll get Ball x corn hybrid lol

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Originally Posted by AzureN1ght

Does the temporary color loss seem to coincide with the females being gravid (and is the color loss only with females)? Perhaps when a female's body is short on resources and she's building up eggs, the eggs are priority over the pigmentation process during her shed?

Anyway, it's a very interesting phenomenon :) Pictures, pictures while it lasts!

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In most of the animals I have read about or heard about, I don't recall it occuring near breeding. In fact most of the occurances that I can recall, it happened in sub-adults.

T, I am glad you got plenty of advice that allowed your mind to be at ease.

Sincerely,

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Can some one please talk some sense..
If you are worried, take her to a vet for crying out loud.
Take her to the vet just in case.

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Some sense? There's no need to take her to the vet, this is a phenomena that happens to some snakes - nothing vet worthy.

I keep coming back to this thread just to look at her. I am jealous T, very jealous. ;)

why are there no pics forr me?

nevermind, i just had to let them load

that is fricken crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sadly, i think her color is going to come back

Wow, that is absolutely phenomenal.

I am just stunned. Moreso than usual.

If I did not hear people backing it, then I would have thought it was a fake post. That much change in such a short period, amazing.

Bruce

Very cool. I'm digging the silver spider. Just amazing:weirdface

I don't think she's gravid. Like I said, she's bred with the male not many times. And now I'm afraid to put the male together with her. She's kinda jumpy now anyway.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...er_belly_2.jpg

Can you feel any follicle development?

BTW, Quit posting pictures, I'm starting to drool. :P:D

Oh so very gorgeous; I would have been pretty freaked out myself to see that change in one shed. Keep us updated on her transformation back to normal.

Has this been observed in all morphs or just spiders?

Thats friggin amazing!

Tim, are there any theories as to why this happens?