affordable morphs

Just wondering what some of the cheaper and more affordable morphs are and why. I've seen young pastels range from 120-500. Why is that?

I think Pastels probably are the lowest priced morphs.

It's because of Supply and Demand...the supply has caught up with the demand.

I think after Daytona this year you'll see the following

Black Pastels $350-500
Spiders $275 - 400
Cinnys $375 - 500
Mojos $ 375 - 400
Male Pastels $75-100 Females $100- 175

And i think those prices may be a little high.

From my experiences the Pastels are the cheapest visual Morph. I think a lot of it has to do with Patels being created during a lot of other breeding experiments and most people will breed pastels as beginning breeders. Some Morphs will never be cheap as it is a long process to create some of them and if breeders can't make money on them they will stop making them. Also new breeders need to make sure they price around what existing breeders are asking or they could damage the industry.

I don't have a problem with prices dropping :D

But why is that? Is it supply/demand or different fads?

Anywho, I'm heading up to the rep expo in md next week and am looking to compare prices.

It is supply and demand. Pastels are co-domnant and have been around longer and bred more so more are availible. Prices will still vary from quality of morph. Albinos are the oldest morph but since they are recessive, they are harder to produce and supply is slower. Thats why your recessives keep their prices better.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

It is supply and demand. Pastels are co-domnant and have been around longer and bred more so more are availible. Prices will still vary from quality of morph. Albinos are the oldest morph but since they are recessive, they are harder to produce and supply is slower. Thats why your recessives keep their prices better.

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I don't know about albinos keeping their prices better. When i started looking around for mine they were $1800 now you see them going for $700 to 650.

FWIW i paid $1000 for mine.

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Originally Posted by TheMissingLink

I don't know about albinos keeping their prices better. When i started looking around for mine they were $1800 now you see them going for $700 to 650.

FWIW i paid $1000 for mine.

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A lot of this is due to Joe Shmoe breeding reptiles and selling them on the internet and such. People do not realize most states require a license to breed and sell reptiles. I can see a lot of mom and pop breeders getting hit with fines if the bogus proposed transport ban does not get passed as methods to appease the groups that proposed this bill will be looked into and one of those is enforcing breeder laws. In Pennsylvania the law technically applies to you even if you only have 1.1 normal Ball Python and have any intention to breed and sell offspring. Another thing that may help the trade is if they ban the import of wild Ball Pythons. This alone would bring the price of a normal Ball Python up to a level of at least the breeders cost which is above the general $40 to $60 they charge for a male. I can see with the way the industry is starting to be regulated and more likely to become more stringently regulated eventually prices will take a jump in the upwards direction as mom and pop breeders that are not following rules and regulations are put out of business.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

A lot of this is due to Joe Shmoe breeding reptiles and selling them on the internet and such. People do not realize most states require a license to breed and sell reptiles. I can see a lot of mom and pop breeders getting hit with fines if the bogus proposed transport ban does not get passed as methods to appease the groups that proposed this bill will be looked into and one of those is enforcing breeder laws. In Pennsylvania the law technically applies to you even if you only have 1.1 normal Ball Python and have any intention to breed and sell offspring. Another thing that may help the trade is if they ban the import of wild Ball Pythons. This alone would bring the price of a normal Ball Python up to a level of at least the breeders cost which is above the general $40 to $60 they charge for a male. I can see with the way the industry is starting to be regulated and more likely to become more stringently regulated eventually prices will take a jump in the upwards direction as mom and pop breeders that are not following rules and regulations are put out of business.

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I would like to know more about this needing a license stuff :confused:.It seems you are the only one saying its needed and no big breeders have them.Where did you get this info?

For a show here in the Pittsburgh, PA area it states any propagators attending need to provide a copy of their valid propagators license. (Here is a link to the ad for the show: http://www.freewebs.com/pghreptilesh...nformation.htm ) So we started looking into it further and found out the breeding of reptiles is covered under Aquaculture here in The Commonwealth of Pennsylvannia. We found the form to apply for the license here:
http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/a...p?a=3&q=129895
It is listed as "Aquaculture Reptile and Amphibians Propagators License". A different license is required for dealers. We never would have known about the requirements incase it would not have been for the show mentioning the required license. When we applied for our LLC we were told it was our responsibility to figure out what licenses and such we need. They don't help in any way to help you find out.

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Originally Posted by TheMissingLink

I don't know about albinos keeping their prices better. When i started looking around for mine they were $1800 now you see them going for $700 to 650.

FWIW i paid $1000 for mine.

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HA!

I paid around that for my Mojave in 06 and look where they are now but that cool cause combos are where the market is going in the fature..And remember there are still dominate and co-dom morphs out there that people haven't even gotten to the small breeder yet so the market still has ways and years before it really starts to see a real drop

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

For a show here in the Pittsburgh, PA area it states any propagators attending need to provide a copy of their valid propagators license. (Here is a link to the ad for the show: http://www.freewebs.com/pghreptilesh...nformation.htm ) So we started looking into it further and found out the breeding of reptiles is covered under Aquaculture here in The Commonwealth of Pennsylvannia. We found the form to apply for the license here:
http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/a...p?a=3&q=129895
It is listed as "Aquaculture Reptile and Amphibians Propagators License". A different license is required for dealers. We never would have known about the requirements incase it would not have been for the show mentioning the required license. When we applied for our LLC we were told it was our responsibility to figure out what licenses and such we need. They don't help in any way to help you find out.

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Hmm from my understanding its only your area that requires the license.It probably will catch on everywhere soon :mad:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Hmm from my understanding its only your area that requires the license.It probably will catch on everywhere soon :mad:

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I believe you are correct that some states don't have this, but just a quick look found this for Massachusetts: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/131-23.htm

All I am saying is make sure you are up to snuff for the rules and regulations in your area. Some of them are burried deep in other laws. Some of the laws are really screwed up in the way they are written. One law I saw here in PA said the land used for propagation of a species must be zoned agricultural, but then other laws create exceptions to this, like you really need a 200 acre farm to breed ball pythons. (Not really worried about that since my land is zoned Agricultural) It is pretty screwed up and we will probably have to eventually hire a lawyer to make sure all our documentation is up to snuff before we start selling anything. Ultimately it doesn't seem like any of these laws are actually being currently enforced, but with the media attention Pythons are getting it would be just like a Politician to pull up some legislation that was written 100 years ago banning little boys from having pet frogs in their pocket and try enforcing it today.