Feeder, Not Such a Feeder

Got this awesome hairless female from my breeder. So awesomely cute!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../Hariless5.jpg
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../Hariless3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../Hariless2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../Hariless1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/Hariless.jpg

Your hairless has a unibrow and a beard :) Cute though!

I must say the last pic isn't even near cute, but the rest are so much lol

hahahah! She is prolly the coolest lookin thing i have ever seen. the only hair on her body is her mustache! go girl! rock the stash! :rockon:

LOL, she is awesome! Good pick up :gj:

Ok, so are all hairless this fleshy?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...n/100_3672.jpg

ROFLMFAO now THAT is cute!! u shoud try breeing to c if it proves genetic lol

Genetic Skin Flap!

I'd buy some if it did lol, cute pets, probably gr8 feeders :P

LOL! To bad they are poor breeders... they would be cool to have!!:D

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Originally Posted by stangs13

LOL! To bad they are poor breeders... they would be cool to have!!:D

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no joke... they are neat pets, i got one who already had alitter. they dont produce milk very well.

I dont plan on breeding her, I have two other Het hairless that I am breeding

where do u get those? or did they just were born sudenly?

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Originally Posted by Dcommander

where do u get those? or did they just were born sudenly?

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Rex x Rex will produce hairless, or you can go to the store and buy one!:D

lol u can only get REWs or PEWs (always thought it was red-eyed, and here u call those pink-eyed :S) in my country :P So unless those produce añlbino hairless, I wont get one lol

Im sorry what is a REW or a PEW?

pink-eyed white or red-eyed white, it's the same, and they are the white rats. They are albinos actually, but kind of popular and easy to get,a nd cost the same as "normals"

Haha! Crazy rat terms. Here RED is the red eyed dilute. PED is pink eyed dilute. PEW is pink eyed white. It's most likely different country to country...

Hairless come from 4 different genes. Fuzzy, shorn, naked and double rex. I'm not sure if wavy can create hairless when homozygous. Most likely...

He is a ham though!

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Originally Posted by Dcommander

pink-eyed white or red-eyed white, it's the same, and they are the white rats. They are albinos actually, but kind of popular and easy to get,a nd cost the same as "normals"

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Not entirely true, PEW may not always be genetically albinos!

Grr. Why did you have to post a hairless? Now I want one and miss my old one! Adorable :) Now you need a hairless cat to chase it around :D

so i just had my first rat give a litter of seven, and three are hairless. she is haired, with red eyes and a tan mask. i think a semi hairless got her preggo. how this happen?

Get rid of the high white rat and it possibly won't happen anymore? She likely carries hairless and when bred to the mock hairless male, the babies inherited the gene

High whites are not safe options for breeders as they may carry the genes for megacolon and other problems. You can end up with entire litters of suffering and dying pups who slowly starve to death because their colon doesn't work properly(no nerve signals). Can't use them as feeders either as they are not healthy and haven't been able to properly digest any nutrients.

so high wites are are any white masked rat? because I have another female that i think is preggo that is white, with a black mask but black eyes, unlike the red.

how are white rats bred then, if all high whites shouldnt be bred? can you show me different examples of high whites?

anyone?

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23. What is "megacolon?"

Megacolon is a disorder of the nerves of the colon occurring during fetal development of the rat and thought to be genetically related to certain coat colors. You see it more with BEW (black-eyed white), husky, blazed, split-capped or other high-white lines of rats (excluding albino's generally). The rat will appear normal at birth but when it is old enough to eat solids it will not thrive as it cannot absorb nutrients properly nor defecate normally. Sometimes it is late onset, 2 to 5 months instead of 3 or 4 weeks of age. It is suffering so please put it down promptly and humanely. If you are getting any megacolon in your litters do not re-breed the adults that produced these offspring.

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from the stickie above. They are more pron to megacolon, and other nasty deseases! And hooded rats arn't considerd high whites either.

so then why do i have to get rid of my female? That is absolutely rediculous. Never seen a pic of my rat, but shes automatically a high white? I just dont understand. What makes a High White. I dont care about megacolon, i care about what a high white is

and what sticky is that from?

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so then why do i have to get rid of my female? That is absolutely rediculous. Never seen a pic of my rat, but shes automatically a high white? I just dont understand. What makes a High White. I dont care about megacolon, i care about what a high white is

and what sticky is that from?

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You should care about megacolon! You can have suffering rats, that arn't getting any nutrients, and that goes straight to your snakes. Post a picture and maybe we will tell you if its a high white or not. No need to get testy. Becky knows a heck of alot more about rats, there care and health than any of us. Good luck with your rats.

not tryin to get testy at all. a friend of mine, that breeds thousands of rats and mice, has never even heard of megacolon. And he has a ton of white rats, its where i got the female im talking about.

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not tryin to get testy at all. a friend of mine, that breeds thousands of rats and mice, has never even heard of megacolon. And he has a ton of white rats, its where i got the female im talking about.

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As long as you know the lineage of your high white rats, you shouldnt have a problem with it. It will kill some/all your babies at around the weanling stage, because they cant absorb the nutrition they need too live. Which in turn means your snake wont get the nutrients it needs!

I still do not understand what a high white is. Can you post a pic?

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I still do not understand what a high white is. Can you post a pic?

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I don't have any high white rats. So no..lol.

But these rat morphs are considered high whites.

You see it more with BEW (black-eyed white), husky, blazed, split-capped, there are more.(excluding albino's generally).

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You see it more with BEW (black-eyed white), husky, blazed, split-capped, there are more.(excluding albino's generally).

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I just read this somewhere. Can you describe a high white?

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

I just read this somewhere. Can you describe a high white?

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It is an animal with lots of white, could be a blaze face(lightning bolt on its face) Husky with white coming up the sides. thats what its considered. Hope it helps!

Oh boy am I glad I got most of the rex out of my stock! lol
They are cute though but I couldn't get hairless moms to produce and raise up more than 3 babies so I gave up. Everyonce in a while I have a hairless pop up and I call em ball sacks lol
maybe not appropriate, not sure.

If you are keeping her though, try and keep her cage extra clean, maybe the "blood"(can't remember the name) will clear up.

I'll post some pics in a moment

This is my lap rat Dewey. He's not in my breeding program, and is just a love bug :)

He is an example of a high white rat with a blaze and a very small head spot of a few hairs. He has irregular sides and a long band of color down his back. High white rats can be all white up to and including the face, leaving a face mask like you stated.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...y/IMG_3426.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...y/IMG_2031.jpg

Here is a link to some more high white rats Pat, I sorta forgot which thread I was looking for here... lol
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...8&postcount=12

so even red eyes get MC?

Megacolon can be in any animal, but the high risk animals are the ones that show a lot of white.

If you mean a red eyed animal as in an albino, the possiblity is there, but it is not directly linked to albinism by any means. An albino just cannot show what color or pattern it is because it cannot produce any melanin. An albino can be genetically a high white animal in pattern, or it can be a completely black animal. There is no way of knowing what the genotype is of an albino until you breed it to a non albino animal. (unless you have the parents with you lol) Albinism cancels what ever color that animal may have been expressing.

Don't let anyone tell you that an albino animal is a high white animal. They cannot possibly know until you show them their offspring. Any albino animal crossed with a non-het for albino carrying rat will give you either agouti or black. Depending on what genes both parents are carrying.

An all white rat with black eyes is NOT an albino.

Is that a better answer? :)

Edit: The rats eyes in the photo's are black, the flash makes them red.

Im just so damn confused!

How do white rats get on the market then. If all high whites get MC, how is there even any to make more? you get what im sayin? My girlfriend has my camera charger or i would have shown you pics by now. But she has a blonde mask with a stripe that goes all down her back, and little blonde spots on her butt. I just dont want these pups that were born on Sat 9 to be suffering.

Not all rats that are high white will get megacolon. The chances are much higher than say, a self black rat or a berkshire.

I'll give you a quick run down if it helps.

When the little rat embryo is forming, the first cells to migrate from the main nerve (spine) of the rat are the pigment cells. They will not always migrate to the whole body, giving us berkshires, hoodeds etc. Where those cells dont end up is white. They have been stopped by something, and that something is not quite nailed down yet by scientists.

The nerve cells that innervate the colon go along the same path as these pigment cells, and the same 'something' that stopped the pigment cells from traveling all over and down the body very often stop the nerve cells too.

For this reason, the correlation between high white rats and megacolon is very close, because there are some of the same factors stopping the progress of both animals.

Dominant (high) white spotting is not megacolon, but it is a separate factor that also correlates strongly with megacolon.

NOW! Not ALL high white rats get megacolon. Just as not all solid or low white animals are free from it. We have no real set identity of what causes megacolon, but that is why so many rat breeders do many breedings between high white animals to find the ones with no instances of this disease.

No one knows exactly how megacolon is inherited. There are so many rumors and opinions on whether it is dominant or recessive or whatever... That's why it is so frustrating. We have to go with what's been proven to inhibit or not show megacolon, and that is low white or self colored rats.

perfect! I understood that completely. And like I said, I know the breeder of these rats personally, and he has GREAT success! Thanx Connie!