Breeding a male ball python at 350 plus grams

Hi
I was wondering if any breeders have bred a small 350 plus male ball python and has gotten eggs from them?

I would love to know this please.:salute:

Thanks for the help!:gj:

Most people recommend at least 600 grams, but I heard of one person (don't remember who) that was successful at 200 grams. I think a picture of it is floating around some where. The big factor I think is the age. If the male is too small/young he may not be interested in that type of activity. We are currently trying to get our Pastel het Albino up to wait for a late breeding this year with a normal, but we figure we will do three on with him then give our normal male who is already close to 600 grams 3 days then go back and forth. If we get patels we know who was active!

yes there are males that small that breed. age is a factor and if they are producing sperm. you can have lockups from males that small and no sperm is going to the females. spiders are known to breed young.

they have to go through puberty first! :rolleyes:

Cool, I might hold him to a late breeding if he puts on the weight, I only want this male on the female I holding for him.

Good thing is he is still eatting.

Would like to hear from others who has try with young males.


Thanks

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Originally Posted by bigballs

they have to go through puberty first! :rolleyes:

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Nooo, for real.:rolleyes:
LoL!!:D

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Originally Posted by bigballs

they have to go through puberty first! :rolleyes:

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:rofl:

LOL!!!! Good luck :)

^^ Thanks!!

Oh Yea! They can, will, have, and Are. Breeding at that size for me...

We will see. Bubba the Bee is right at 360g and today is the first time that I've caught him locked...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...lyandbubba.jpg

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Originally Posted by JenH

We will see. Bubba the Bee is right at 360g and today is the first time that I've caught him locked...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...lyandbubba.jpg

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Looks like she is Glowing Jen! Any other males been with her yet? :gj:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Oh Yea! They can, will, have, and Are. Breeding at that size for me...

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Awesome Jas, you give me hope.:)
Some people I think was taking my post as a joke or something.
Some told me it could happen so I wanted to see if there were more out there that had some males that bred at 350 grams.
I don't like to rush but I want to get my foot in the door before they come out with what I want to make, unles they have some and haven't post them up yet, but I haven't see them.

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Originally Posted by JenH

We will see. Bubba the Bee is right at 360g and today is the first time that I've caught him locked...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...lyandbubba.jpg

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Awww, thats so sweet.:bow:
Great looking Bee by the way, good luck with him, I hope he gives you some babies.:gj:

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Originally Posted by dragondavy

Awesome Jas, you give me hope.:)
Some people I think was taking my post as a joke or something.
Some told me it could happen so I wanted to see if there were more out there that had some males that bred at 350 grams.
I don't like to rush but I want to get my foot in the door before they come out with what I want to make, unles they have some and haven't post them up yet, but I haven't see them.





Awww, thats so sweet.:bow:
Great looking Bee by the way, good luck with him, I hope he gives you some babies.:gj:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Looks like she is Glowing Jen! Any other males been with her yet? :gj:

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Yeah she is really bright.. I was afraid my two 07 males were not going to breed so I first paired her with my normal. Then my black pastel had his way with her (he is 450g) and now bubba.

Should be an interesting clutch.... (fingers crossed...)

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Originally Posted by JenH

Yeah she is really bright.. I was afraid my two 07 males were not going to breed so I first paired her with my normal. Then my black pastel had his way with her (he is 450g) and now bubba.

Should be an interesting clutch.... (fingers crossed...)

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Can a individual clutch from a Female BP have multiple fathers if more than one breeds with her or is it a first successful fertilization affects all the babies?

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

Can a individual clutch from a Female BP have multiple fathers if more than one breeds with her or is it a first successful fertilization affects all the babies?

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They can have multiple fathers, but only one father can fertilize each egg. A lot of breeders are doing this now.

In other words, if you bred a male spider and a male pastel to a normal female, you could get spiders, pastels, and normals, but would not be able to make bumblebees.

http://www.214reptiles.com/images/st...irexnormal.jpg

My Fire started to breed at 400 grams. But he's growing fast and is around 500 grams now.

Wow, I never knew it could work like that. :D

Thanks everyone for the help.:gj:
This place ROCKs.:partyon:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

They can have multiple fathers, but only one father can fertilize each egg. A lot of breeders are doing this now.

In other words, if you bred a male spider and a male pastel to a normal female, you could get spiders, pastels, and normals, but would not be able to make bumblebees.

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Good info to have. I kinda figured if the first part was true that the second condition would go with it! Thanks! If our Pastel het albino makes wieght by the beginning of fall we will try breeding him and rotate him with our Normal male until we see the Pastel lock then the normal will be out of there and the pastel will be rotated in and out on an individual basis.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

Good info to have. I kinda figured if the first part was true that the second condition would go with it! Thanks! If our Pastel het albino makes wieght by the beginning of fall we will try breeding him and rotate him with our Normal male until we see the Pastel lock then the normal will be out of there and the pastel will be rotated in and out on an individual basis.

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If you do that, You wont know what animals are possy hets or just normals.

I have heard of people breeding a spider male and pastel male to a normal and getting both pastels and spiders out of the clutch. Very rare though, but it has happened.

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Originally Posted by Brimstone111888

I have heard of people breeding a spider male and pastel male to a normal and getting both pastels and spiders out of the clutch. Very rare though, but it has happened.

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Yea, But mixing in a normal isnt a good thing..

I wouldn't have put a het male into the mix. That would be too confusing and lowers the change that any of the normal looking offspring are hets.

I'm afraid my normal male, Rex, is retired from now on.... Lily is the only one he bred. Since my 07 males are now breeding, I will probably be a little more structured in my breeding plans and not put multiple males in with a female.

I mix co doms but not recessive, otherwise like Jas said, you don't know if you got hets or not

I've got a het clown male at 350 who has been locking up for me... will I get eggs? Who knows... but he seems determined.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

If you do that, You wont know what animals are possy hets or just normals.

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This first breeding is mainly to make sure we are set up for later and everything like our incubator is working. Also to make sure we are doing everything right and not forgetting something stupid. The following year we will be breeding our Bumble Bee and Albino and they will only be coupled with our Pastel Het Albino. With those combos we can't afford to loose clutches due to wrong equipment and/or newbee mistakes. Normals with 50% PH Albino really does not make a Ball Python increase in value to much. Any Pastel born will automatically be 50% PH Albino and that combo can help them sell a little better. All the off spring from our experiment clutch will be sold off with a possible exception of a Pastel female.

On a side note we just bought an incubator from GQF Mfg. A 1250R. This is what Mike at Ball Pythons South uses.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Yea, But mixing in a normal isnt a good thing..

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I was using a Normal female and I was just saying for the sake of example. I also agree it would be stupid to put a normal male in, since you would never be able to determine if the offspring is het or not.

Now I know a lot of breeders out there are really good and when they say one of their snakes is a Het it really is and if I buy a het from their stock of hatchlings I can be sure I am getting what I am paying for. Now you go down the road and breed this het to something that does not allow the het gene to come out I don't think it is fair to ride on the coat tails of that other breeder and make claims as to a % of possible het. Until I prove my Pastel Het Albino (which came from Graziani) actually has the albino gene by pairing him up with my albino girl during our second breeding cycle and making an albino baby, any off spring from him would be listed as normal or pastel which would be visible. If talking to someone I might mention the unproven possibility of an albino het, but I don't feel I can base my price on things I am not 100% certain of. If I would and the breeder before me made an honest mistake (Maybe it is het lavander albino and he missed the lavender part while typing the description) I would never get him to make an Albino his whole life and the people I sold his first off spring to with the understanding that they had bought het regular albino snakes would have been told wrong and it would be my reputation getting slammed by how many off spring I sold while the breeder I bought the supposed het off of would only have one person pointing at him! Then if he has a big enough name he could hook that back around on you and make it look like it was all your fault. Not that the big guys would do that since after a couple times of it happening people would start questioning things.

It all comes down to trust when you buy any Het combo. I'm a new guy on the block, so I can't really expect people to pay for my word that something is! I need to offer some kind of proof or be 110% certain of what I am saying! If your a little guy always using the word of the big guys to prop you up, you will never get to the point they are at. The only way to get there is stand on your own word, but if you do that you better make sure your word is right! This is the only ethical way to do business.

Now this doesn't mean I won't call the other breeders for advice on different aspects of the business from husbandry, breeding, housing, and equipment. :D

I agree. I bought a couple snakes off Craig's List and they are still in QT. One of the females is a phet albino. Since I do not have a male albino or het, I'm putting her with a pastel male (also in QT) and will keep all the offspring to prove out.

I'll buy an albino or 100% het male this summer and prove try to prove out the phet female next season...