Help. New Ball very weak

just got a new ball from the local pet shop today and it seems very weak. What's more I found 2 ticks on it when I got it home. The ball is well over a foot long but is incapable of keeping a firm hold on my arm like my other snakes can.

Right now I'm thinking of going to the pet store tomorrow and giving them back the snake and demanding a refund. Is there anything else that you can suggest that might be able to help.

Yeah take it to a reptile vet!

I would take the animal back to the store, and purchase from a better breeder. The poor animal is likely anemic and probably carrying other parasites as well. If you really want to you can take the animal to a vet, and see what you can do for the little guy but that would be up to you.

Also I would consider purchasing Provent a Mite and treating your cage with it, whether or not you keep the animal. It's possible you now have eggs that can infect any new animal you bring into the house. Here's a great link on it.... http://www.pro-products.com/miteandtemp.html

brink it to the vet. the snake has ben through enouf. give it a chance for a better life,and report the pet store.

Is there a specific organization I should contact to report the store?

http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/
http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/animal_cruelty.php
you can check the state laws on animal cruelty. i know this is the fedral law.To fail to provide an animal with:

Proper food and water
Shelter or protection from the weather
Veterinary attention to reduce or end suffering from disease or injury
A sanitary environment
To willfully abandon an animal
To carry or cause an animal to be carried in or on a vehicle in a manner that endangers the animal including transport of an improperly secured animal

To willfully permit an animal to be subjected to unnecessary torture, suffering or cruelty

To Subject, Cause or Procure an animal:

To be tortured or tormented
To be cruelly killed, beaten or mutilated
To fail to notify the owner or police after striking a dog or cat with a motor vehicle

To use animals as lure or bail in a cruel or inhuman manner

To transport an animal in the back of a motor vehicle unless animal is properly restrained

In November, 2004, animal cruelty, as defined in Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 272, Section 77, became a felony. Until November 17th, animal cruelty had been considered a misdemeanor. Now, violations of this law may result in a sentence of up to 5 years in state prison, or up to 2.5 years in a county jail and/or a fine of up to $2,500.

Also remember that by 'rescueing' these animals by purchasing them, you enable that store to bring more animals into those conditions.

Well here's the latest. I took ball to the vet and they checked it out and I could tell that she felt bad even charging me for this. She gave him a vitamin B shot and told me to keep him warm and showed me a good way to try to feed it liquids through a dropper. I'd been doing this all day until it died on me tonight. I'm planning on talking to the humane society and the owner of the store on monday and we'll see about some other places. I'm going to do what I can to make sure this place is at least shut down for a little bit while they're being investigated for neglect and who knows what other types of animal cruelty

im sorry you lost him... it didnt sound very good from the get go. there are so many wonderful breeders out there, i would suggest going that route. ((hugs)) sorry

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Originally Posted by lorken999

Well here's the latest. I took ball to the vet and they checked it out and I could tell that she felt bad even charging me for this. She gave him a vitamin B shot and told me to keep him warm and showed me a good way to try to feed it liquids through a dropper. I'd been doing this all day until it died on me tonight. I'm planning on talking to the humane society and the owner of the store on monday and we'll see about some other places. I'm going to do what I can to make sure this place is at least shut down for a little bit while they're being investigated for neglect and who knows what other types of animal cruelty

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Sry I call shenanigans on this I've been in the hobby for over five years and an animal warden over 12 years and have delt with many vets over the years and HAVE NEVER HEARD of feeding a snake liquids.

Well what was I supposed to do if it wasn't going to move enough to get any other type of food down it's throat? I gave it egg yolks and water that way

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Originally Posted by lorken999

Well what was I supposed to do if it wasn't going to move enough to get any other type of food down it's throat? I gave it egg yolks and water that way

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You gave it egg yolks:O Well now we know why the snake died why in Gods name did you think it was all right to give the snake egg yolks?

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

You gave it egg yolks:O Well now we know why the snake died why in Gods name did you think it was all right to give the snake egg yolks?

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Many people use egg yolk....it's mostly used to lubricate during a force fed rodent

Personally I have never had to force feed and would not try...but I have read that in many cases it has been used very sucessfully :)

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

Many people use egg yolk....it's mostly used to lubricate during a force fed rodent

Personally I have never had to force feed and would not try...but I have read that in many cases it has been used very sucessfully :)

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Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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Lighten up! :mad:

If the snake had ticks, and was too weak to hold on, in the short time he had the snake in his possession, he probably wasn't the root cause of death.

Sooooooooo sorry to hear that your new pet died!! :(

There are quite a few threads here about feeding a liquid diet to a very weak snake. And quite a few of them are now very robust, thriving pets. It needed nutrition, and being too weak to hunt, even assist-feeding probably would have been too much stress on the poor creature.

Unfortunately, the snake was too far downhill to recover. Kudos to him for taking it to the vet and TRYING to get it into recovery.

Personally? I'd be taking the snake, the vet bill/diagnosis BACK to the store and asking for (first, and if that doesn't work...demanding) a refund and reimbursement for the vet bill.

Good luck!!! Pls keep us posted on what you decide to do, and how things turn out.

ohhh no im so sorry to here about ur loss :(

good for u for takin him to the vet at least to get him/her looked at

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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Ummm, it wasn't my pet (not my post)...I didn't kill anything :P
Please try to be civil. That person came here for help, not you be judged by a one man jury.
If the snake had ticks, it was more than likely wild caught and had other health issues which would have contributed to it's demise....certainly not a little egg yolk. :)

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Sry I call shenanigans on this I've been in the hobby for over five years and an animal warden over 12 years and have delt with many vets over the years and HAVE NEVER HEARD of feeding a snake liquids.

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Really? I have given a ball python Gatorade and Pedialite, When he had an RI. Works great to hydrate!

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You gave it egg yolks Well now we know why the snake died why in Gods name did you think it was all right to give the snake egg yolks?

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Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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I've actually seen this recommended in veterinary manuals, so your statement is a bit harsh.

I've often force fed liquids or liquids mixed with meat baby foods to a snake that was dehydrated and not able to eat on it's own.

Mark

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Really? I have given a ball python Gatorade and Pedialite, When he had an RI. Works great to hydrate!

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nice! now he has the electrolytes to WIN! :snake::gj:

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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You are coming off pretty harsh...of course that's nothing new for you now is it?


I'm sorry to hear about the bp. It sounds to me like it was doomed from the start. Were they selling it as captive bred? Ticks would indicate WC. I'm sure that there are more than enough great breeders right here on this forum that you could get a quality bp from.

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Originally Posted by waltah!

You are coming off pretty harsh...of course that's nothing new for you now is it?


I'm sorry to hear about the bp. It sounds to me like it was doomed from the start. Were they selling it as captive bred? Ticks would indicate WC. I'm sure that there are more than enough great breeders right here on this forum that you could get a quality bp from.

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Ticks would indicate wc? How do you come up with this?

CBB can have ticks hell even the allmighty Adams bps can get ticks. So its kind of dumb to say his was wc.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Ticks would indicate wc? How do you come up with this?

CBB can have ticks hell even the allmighty Adams bps can get ticks. So its kind of dumb to say his was wc.

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You really know alot about snakes!:gj::rofl:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

You really know alot about snakes!:gj::rofl:

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Yeah a little more than you do it seems like! Oh wait your a friend of Adams so you must know it all right?

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Yeah a little more than you do it seems like! Oh wait your a friend of Adams so you must know it all right?

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I havent seen Adam post on this thread have you? What does he have to do with it?? I have just under 500 ball pythons. How many do you have again? Yea, I'm sure you know more then I do LOL!!

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Yeah a little more than you do it seems like! Oh wait your a friend of Adams so you must know it all right?

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*What* is your problem??? You might want to check your anger and judgmental attitude~ they suck. You are bringing this thread down. Straighten up and fly right.

Ticks are usually found from WC animals. hell i don't even think i have ever been bitten by a tick. plus usually snakes in big pet stores are bought at wholesale. wholesale snakes are 9 times outta 10 imported. buy a snake for pennies on the dollar turn around and up the cost to like 70 or 80, and unload garbage on the general public.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

I havent seen Adam post on this thread have you? What does he have to do with it?? I have just under 500 ball pythons. How many do you have again? Yea, I'm sure you know more then I do LOL!!

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Hell a anyone can have 500 ball pythons dosent mean they no what their doing now does it?

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Hell a anyone can have 500 ball pythons dosent mean they no what their doing now does it?

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If they are ALL healthy it does!:O

You do know that ticks are host specific right?

wow wolves, you really have some gaww (for lack of better appropriate term aside from using profanity) coming on here disrespecting some of the most respected breeders on this forum . i dont know what made you so unhappy but you should really consider keeping it off the forum. this person who now has lost his pet was coming here for information, not hostility, meanwhile you have also managed to offend respected breeders in your wake. you should really consider thinking before you post.

Wolves-n-dogs: You have slammed Adam two times in two posts during this thread. You need to know that Adam is a trusted breeder in this business and a respected person in his own right and on this forum. His only priority (after his children and Kelly) is the health and well-being of his snakes. To that end, he has learned year after year after year after year how to best care for them and understand them as a species. Your attitude regarding him and your statements against his character are way out of line. Picking on Jas is one thing- he is here and has posted and can ably defend himself against your snide comments. However, Adam hasn't even posted to this thread and so has no way of knowing that his character is being slammed. I feel as though you have insulted this entire forum with your remarks and that an apology is due to Adam. Just sayin......

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Wolves-n-dogs: You have slammed Adam two times in two posts during this thread. You need to know that Adam is a trusted breeder in this business and a respected person in his own right and on this forum. His only priority (after his children and Kelly) is the health and well-being of his snakes. To that end, he has learned year after year after year after year how to best care for them and understand them as a species. Your attitude regarding him and your statements against his character are way out of line. Picking on Jas is one thing- he is here and has posted and can ably defend himself against your snide comments. However, Adam hasn't even posted to this thread and so has no way of knowing that his character is being slammed. I feel as though you have insulted this entire forum with your remarks and that an apology is due to Adam. Just sayin......

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absolutely. i also feel there should be some reprimand/warning applied also. well said starmom

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Originally Posted by starmom

Wolves-n-dogs: You have slammed Adam two times in two posts during this thread. You need to know that Adam is a trusted breeder in this business and a respected person in his own right and on this forum. His only priority (after his children and Kelly) is the health and well-being of his snakes. To that end, he has learned year after year after year after year how to best care for them and understand them as a species. Your attitude regarding him and your statements against his character are way out of line. Picking on Jas is one thing- he is here and has posted and can ably defend himself against your snide comments. However, Adam hasn't even posted to this thread and so has no way of knowing that his character is being slammed. I feel as though you have insulted this entire forum with your remarks and that an apology is due to Adam. Just sayin......

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Well said!

I thoughtlessly forgot to add that you owe the original poster an apology for accusing him/her of killing the snake. It was really disappointing to read something so off-target and cruel from a forum member against another forum member.

and to think wolves has a satisfied customer banner in his signature from 8-ball then to come here and slam him behind his back ((shakes head))

apology to original poster sounds good also, i would be heartbroken if i not only lost a pet due to something that was totally out of my hands and then be called a murderer on top of it. I really think disciplinary action should be taken

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Originally Posted by AshleyB

... I really think disciplinary action should be taken....

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I do too. This seems to be a pattern with wolves-n-dogs.... :weirdface

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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wow, just wow. not only to disrespect Adam but then to disrespect this forum as a whole.. if were all sheep (which we arent) why bother spending your time here. I love how you think your so high and mighty. if hes such a joke why would you fund and support him by purchasing his animals?

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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If you believe this and all the other insults you've thrown around, and you repeatedly can't treat the other members here with respect, then why are you a member here? It seems as though any post you are in you are negetively contributing, insulting posters and being generally unhelpful.

Lorken999, I'm truly sorry for the ordeal you've been through. I know you've already been to the vet once, but perhaps an autopsy could let you know what happened and put your mind at ease. Also, if anything is found it could be used in your report against the pet store.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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Sadly, you are a joke inside this forum... Stop slamming other members.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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Well, Atleast he is a person outside of this board. Unlike some Leetle troll from ny..

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Well, Atleast he is a person outside of this board. Unlike some Leetle troll from ny..

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:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Wrong! Face it you killed your pet!!!

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For someone that claims to work as a civil servant you have no civil skills whatsoever. I don't know who pissed in your cheerios but this forum is help people with situations not attack them and insult others. If you don't have anything helpful or relevant to say why the need to attack. We all begin somewhere we didn't just become "know it alls" like you from birth.

He should apologize to Jas too, but I don't think any are coming!

Rich

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Adams well respected in this Biz? Hell hes only respected on this fourm by u sheep.

Hes a joke outside of this board!

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:rofl:

You certainly have some serious health issues.

Dola, I just realised I wasted my post #50 by quoting that guy... oh boy :(

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Originally Posted by rbchesapeakeball

He should apologize to Jas too, but I don't think any are coming!

Rich

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Not needed! But thanks for the concern.. I eat trolls like this for breakfast..:8:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Not needed! But thanks for the concern.. I eat trolls like this for breakfast..:8:

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Naw....you *pop* them!!! :gj: :rofl:

I've noticed quite a trend with Wolves being overly harsh and critical of other members who are just coming here for help. I feel that he owes plenty of folks here an apology but i'm sure we'll never see that. I feel that this forum would be much better off without trolls like that just looking for an argument.