Concerning My Avatar

Hi all!

It has come to my attention that their might be an issue with the interpretation of my avatar.

I just wanted to say I appreciate your concern for animals, most definitely! I want to say that my avatar is not what some may think it is - I had not looked at my avatar and thought it was anything aside from what it was so partially it is my fault in not thinking of other people's interpretation of that picture.

The dogs pictured are American Bulldogs. They are not killing or attacking an animal though it may appear to be that way. Those are hog dogs - specially trained dogs that are used for a legitimate sport called Hog Catching and also in real use on farms, ranches, and various operations in the south and spreading across the US with the increase in problems caused by feral hogs. The dogs do not kill the dog. The dogs do not fight the hog.

The dogs catch the hog. They are trained to catch at the ear/side of the head and neck as this is the area of the hog with the least amount of nerves and thus it is the most comfortable area for the hog and does the least amount of damage/causes the least amount of pain. The dog or dogs grab the hog and hold it until the hunter/handler can tie it's feet for transport to a holding pen where any actual wounds are tended to, or the animal is slaughtered sometimes for use as food much like other game animals.

If this is still horribly offensive to the members here I apologize though I must say it would shock me. Again, sorry for anyone who may have been offended with thinking my avatar was a picture of dogs killing or attacking some poor animal. I see that it could be misinterpreted as such but assure you I in no way shape or form condone the fighting of dogs or other animals.

I stated this thread with the intent that anybody who is offended can feel free to tell me so without the more or overly personal method of a PM having to take place. And also so that I may openly apologize to anyone who may have been offended thinking my avatar was a fighting scene of some sort.

Thank you,

Jenn M

Didn't even notice the hog! I have no problem with it.:D

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

Hi all!

It has come to my attention that their might be an issue with the interpretation of my avatar.

I just wanted to say I appreciate your concern for animals, most definitely! I want to say that my avatar is not what some may think it is - I had not looked at my avatar and thought it was anything aside from what it was so partially it is my fault in not thinking of other people's interpretation of that picture.

The dogs pictured are American Bulldogs. They are not killing or attacking an animal though it may appear to be that way. Those are hog dogs - specially trained dogs that are used for a legitimate sport called Hog Catching and also in real use on farms, ranches, and various operations in the south and spreading across the US with the increase in problems caused by feral hogs. The dogs do not kill the dog. The dogs do not fight the hog.

The dogs catch the hog. They are trained to catch at the ear/side of the head and neck as this is the area of the hog with the least amount of nerves and thus it is the most comfortable area for the hog and does the least amount of damage/causes the least amount of pain. The dog or dogs grab the hog and hold it until the hunter/handler can tie it's feet for transport to a holding pen where any actual wounds are tended to, or the animal is slaughtered sometimes for use as food much like other game animals.

If this is still horribly offensive to the members here I apologize though I must say it would shock me. Again, sorry for anyone who may have been offended with thinking my avatar was a picture of dogs killing or attacking some poor animal. I see that it could be misinterpreted as such but assure you I in no way shape or form condone the fighting of dogs or other animals.

I stated this thread with the intent that anybody who is offended can feel free to tell me so without the more or overly personal method of a PM having to take place. And also so that I may openly apologize to anyone who may have been offended thinking my avatar was a fighting scene of some sort.

Thank you,

Jenn M

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"legitimate sport called Hog Catching "

Legitimate Sport? You are kidding right? It ranks up there with dog fighting and is illegal in 32 states.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

"legitimate sport called Hog Catching "

Legitimate Sport? You are kidding right? It ranks up there with dog fighting and is illegal in 32 states.

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How many states are in the union??

I have to say, it does bother me a bit. I don't think hog-dogging is a necessary or humane sport, and while I acknowledge the legitimacy of using dogs in hunting feral hogs, I do believe that it causes the hogs pain. I'm a fan of Dogos and Catahoulas, and I've seen the galleries of hunt pictures, and the videos. I have immense respect for the work they do, but I cannot ever believe that the hogs do not suffer.

I had thought of sending you a PM about it, but I'm glad now that I don't have to as it's available for open discussion.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

How many states are in the union??

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Whats the union have to do with anything?

No I am not kidding and it does not rate up there with dog fighting. Illegal in most states because hunting with dogs, period, is banned in most states for game animals and for good reasons. Those good reasons being that the average joe does not understand the undertaking of training a hunting or bay dog and in most cases it would lead to a cruel end for the animals involved and that for most game animals dogs are not needed or warranted. FERAL HOGS are a different matter. Feral hogs can and do kill and attack people, pets, etc. they tear up land, are destructive, and considered an invasive species. Now with that said if the dogs were being used to attack and or kill the hogs I would be against it but that is not so.

Feral hogs are not killed or fought by the dogs. In the sport of Hog Catching, which is regulated I might add and has it's own associations for titling of the dogs. I imagine some abuse the concept of hog catching and hog hunting - but these are not the norm any more than it is the norm or acceptable to the general owners of these dogs than it is for people to abuse and neglect or illegally release their herps/HOTs/Inverts etc etc

Hog catching is not intended as a blood sport in any way shape or form though I will say I do not think any and everybody involved with this sport or these dogs abides by rules or a sense of morals. But that can be said in any field with any animal.

"No I am not kidding and it does not rate up there with dog fighting."

Sure it does your turning another animal lose on another the only dif. is your not getting paid to kill or harm a hog!

[QUOTE=slartibartfast;712808] I have immense respect for the work they do, but I cannot ever believe that the hogs do not suffer. QUOTE]

I never said the hogs did not suffer and nobody in that sport would try to claim otherwise. I said it is the most humane way and the most appropraite placement for the dogs mouth, the most comfortable in comparrison to say the stomache, nose, or breaking its legs.

I am shocked. I really am. I never thought that people who feed other animals to their pets would in any way be oppossed to the catching (not the killing or torturing or imhumane treatment of) a hog by a dog. You may not feed live but that animal died for the sole purpose of feeding your pet. I am pro live and don't mind the use of feeders in any way. If you think that a mouse or other animal doesn't suffer.. at all, in becoming a feeder I would like to hear the arguments for that thought. Even ones that are frozen or euthanized in any other way do suffer in some way - either the cold or the deprivation of oxygen or other means. And while it is fast and humane compared to other methods there is no zero suffering method unless you lethally inject them.

If done to regulation and properly with trained animals that are in control by the handlers this is not any less humane than the actual hunting of the animals with guns or knives.

If you condone the use of force to take the feral hogs out of the territories they destroy at all then you must know the animals are often just killed or that the means of capture can cause pain and injury as hogs are escape artists and evade snares(which I do not condone), traps, nets and all other manners of confinement to their own demise. They will injure themselves more in attempting to escape a strong net or cage or enclosure or injure the humans trying to be nice about it more than they are injured or suffer by the use of dogs to properly catch them.

Not to mention that being shot, if not correctly placed on the head (most shots are behind the front shoulder blades as with other game animals) is far more painful than being caught by a dog and living in a pen or then being properly and painlessly dispatched.

This is about the proper use of the dogs, I am not trying to condone or argue for those who abuse the right to use dogs or who are in it for a bloodsport purpose as some sort of entertainment.

I also hunt and realize some are against the killing of any animal at any time.

"I am shocked. I really am. I never thought that people who feed other animals to their pets would in any way be oppossed to the catching (not the killing or torturing or imhumane treatment of) a hog by a dog. You may not feed live but that animal died for the sole purpose of feeding your pet. I am pro live and don't mind the use of feeders in any way. If you think that a mouse or other animal doesn't suffer.. At all, in becoming a feeder I would like to hear the arguments for that thought. Even ones that are frozen or euthanized in any other way do suffer in some way - either the cold or the deprivation of oxygen or other means. And while it is fast and humane compared to other methods there is no zero suffering method unless you lethally inject them."

You can't compare the two. Truning an animal lose on another in the name of a sport as you put it. Is not the same as feeding of a reptile.

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

I have immense respect for the work they do, but I cannot ever believe that the hogs do not suffer.

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I never said the hogs did not suffer and nobody in that sport would try to claim otherwise. I said it is the most humane way and the most appropraite placement for the dogs mouth, the most comfortable in comparrison to say the stomache, nose, or breaking its legs.

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The key word there is "sport". I repeat, I have no problem with the legitimate use of a dog as a hunting partner.

I see absolutely no need for a sport where a hog who has already undergone capture once is then turned loose in a confined area to be attacked by dogs for the amusement of the audience. You've already admitted they suffer. What's humane about intentionally putting them through it?

And FYI, I feed live and I hunt. I just don't shoot fish in a barrel.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

"No I am not kidding and it does not rate up there with dog fighting."

Sure it does your turning another animal lose on another the only dif. is your not getting paid to kill or harm a hog!

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:D You are funny. There are a lot of differences hun. A lot. Please if you are going to respond and make an difference in an actual discussion, try using facts.

But based on your comparrison, that the only thing required to link dog fighting to some other action is that you turn one animal loose on another. So.. feeding your snake is just like dog fighting?

A dog fight is two animals pitted against one another and must fight, causing serious sometimes fatal injuries. The purpose of a dog fight is for entertainment and money. Hence the term "Blood Sport"

Hog catching is not for money or for entertainment, it is a method of hunting and the hogs are not ripped up, the dogs are not permitted to rip into the hog.

I appreciate your concern but honestly the comparrison of hog catching to dog fighting is not affective. I abhor dog fighting.

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

:D You are funny. There are a lot of differences hun. A lot. Please if you are going to respond and make an difference in an actual discussion, try using facts.

But based on your comparrison, that the only thing required to link dog fighting to some other action is that you turn one animal loose on another. So.. feeding your snake is just like dog fighting?

A dog fight is two animals pitted against one another and must fight, causing serious sometimes fatal injuries. The purpose of a dog fight is for entertainment and money. Hence the term "Blood Sport"

Hog catching is not for money or for entertainment, it is a method of hunting and the hogs are not ripped up, the dogs are not permitted to rip into the hog.

I appreciate your concern but honestly the comparrison of hog catching to dog fighting is not affective. I abhor dog fighting.

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Nice avatar!:gj:

I believe that ever since CNBC did thier campaign against it the real truth behind it was lost. As I understand it in many southern states this is somewhat a tradition and has been going on for many many years. What happens then is there are some abusers out there who go and make a bad name for the rest of those practicing it and responsible trainers get persecuted as well.

We currently have dogs trained to assist in war and police work, they are trained to attack people, and are put at great personal risk in the name of protecting people and doing their jobs - however I doubt that any activist groups or every day people are going to jump behind a campaign to persecute those utilizing and training these dogs. They protect people, and therefore there is no question of their worth.

We train guardian herding dogs whose main job is to protect livestock from predators and keep the livestock in line. Often times to keep the livestock in line these dogs will nip at the heels of the animal, that is what they are trained to do. They are trained to keep predators away, this is how breeds like the Great Pyrenees came to be kept as a 'family pet'. I do not see how this is any different than utilizing a breed of dog to restrain a feral hog long enough for a human to tie and transport it. It is nearly impossible for a human to do this on their own without outright killing the animal from a distance first - I've helped a friend on a pig farm it's not a fun job, it can be dangerous, and these aren't even feral animals.

There are always those few irresponsible trainers and owners who end up ruining it for the rest... If memory serves aren't snake owners currently being persecuted because some burmese pythons got loose in the Everglades?

I do need to point out, just incase this is misinterpreted: I do not in any way condone cruelty towards animals. I do however believe that sometimes the definition of cruelty gets used far too liberally, and that this may be one of those times, so why not sit back and instead educate ourselves about this sort of training from one of the responsible ones and not immediately jump to attack?

" You are funny. There are a lot of differences hun. A lot. Please if you are going to respond and make an difference in an actual discussion, try using facts."

Well fact number one I am a Animal Warden here in the city of NEW YORK.

fact number two Any time you turn lose an animal on another it's considered fighting. AND THATS THE LAW IN ALL STATES!

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

The key word there is "sport". I repeat, I have no problem with the legitimate use of a dog as a hunting partner.

I see absolutely no need for a sport where a hog who has already undergone capture once is then turned loose in a confined area to be attacked by dogs for the amusement of the audience. You've already admitted they suffer. What's humane about intentionally putting them through it?

And FYI, I feed live and I hunt. I just don't shoot fish in a barrel.

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That is understandable and a good argument. The capture of the hogs and the use of them in competition is debatable but regulations support the hog only be used once for the safety of all animals involved. This is because not only would it be cruel to the hog to be caught multiple times but it would be dangerous for the dogs to be against a hog that knew all the tricks.

Also, the dogs must be trained to properly catch and this does involve the use of hogs - if the dogs are not properly trained then it will be a sad and horrible sight if the dogs are ever taken out on a real hunt.

The reason that the dogs are not put against hogs in a real hunting situation is that their are too many variables. Finding the hogs, having a hog the right size for the dog, and being able to control the sitaution to prevent the injury of either animal.

It is a sport because there are titles - it is a competition, it is not strictly for the amusement of those that attend. The purpose is to control the situation and determine what dogs are the best and safest, most effective to use in a real hunt.

I won't say that it is always like this, I am sure that as with any other sport with animals there is abuse involved and I do not condone that in any way.

BulldogBalls, perhaps you could direct those of us with questions to websites or forums that promote ethical and humane hog-dogging so we can see for ourselves? Are there any in particular that you could point out to me to do a bit of reading?

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

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Well fact number one I am a Animal Warden here in the city of NEW YORK.

fact number two Any time you turn lose an animal on another it's considered fighting. AND THATS THE LAW IN ALL STATES!

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If that were the law in all states then hog catching would be outlawed in all states. States that are affected by feral hogs are amending the laws regarding the use of dogs for hunting because of the feral hogs and only for use with feral hogs. My state of Oregon is one of those states, we have been strictly and very against the use of dogs for hunting but it is now legal to use dogs and any other means to eradicate the feral hog population.

I also must ask. Just how many wild feral hogs you got runnin' 'round in NYC?

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

BulldogBalls, perhaps you could direct those of us with questions to websites or forums that promote ethical and humane hog-dogging so we can see for ourselves? Are there any in particular that you could point out to me to do a bit of reading?

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There is no humane way of hog-dogging

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

If that were the law in all states then hog catching would be outlawed in all states. States that are affected by feral hogs are amending the laws regarding the use of dogs for hunting because of the feral hogs and only for use with feral hogs. My state of Oregon is one of those states, we have been strictly and very against the use of dogs for hunting but it is now legal to use dogs and any other means to eradicate the feral hog population.

I also must ask. Just how many wild feral hogs you got runnin' 'round in NYC?

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I can't help myself here but we have a ton of two legged ones running around here:rofl:

LOL Wolves N Dogs that is the darn truth everywhere you look :D

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

LOL Wolves N Dogs that is the darn truth everywhere you look :D

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God knows thats the truth..

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

I can't help myself here but we have a ton of two legged ones running around here:rofl:

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LMAO!! Nice post..:rofl:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

LMAO!! Nice post..:rofl:

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Y, Tank You!

well done for respectivly supporting and standing behind what you do. I read the first page and just wanted to comment, if they are considered a pest or nuisance i have no problem with it. IMO its the same as deer hunting or hog hunting... only this is serving more of a purpose.

Ok that didnt come out right.. hog-dogging is at least controlling the population of these distructive hogs. As for deer hunting, I couldnt do it however, I know that animals population needs to be controlled and as long as your not killing the deer just to have a head on your wall (more for eating the meat of a deer instead of just "sport" of getting an 8 point buck) then it can be more easily validated but certainly not on the same level as hogdogging, just wanted to clear that up a little bit

Ashley, to clarify:
Hog-dogging is a sport in which a hog is released into a pen, and then dogs are set on it. It does not control the population, except in so far as wild hogs are captured for use in the sport.

slartibartfast I will go round up some links and provide you guys with reading material.

I will not say that nobody is cruel or that nobody abuses or is cruel to the animals, I am in fact very sure it is not so. I know that people don't always have a conscience and that they do in fact use improper or abusive methods in the training of their dogs. I have heard of actual fights being staged and called hog catching events when in reality it WAS a fight between a hog and a dog... which is the same as calling a dog fight a dog show.

I most certaintly oppose that sort of activity. I do not condone the repeated usage of the same hogs or the unregulated and unsupervised fights that do occur but those are not what hog catching is or should be about. Hog catching in the form of a competition should be for the training and regulation of the dogs (and humans) under guidelines and rules.

I want to say that I am not mad or even frustrated at any of you that have posted here, even if you are argueing. I completely and fully and totally understand the concern for the hogs and other animals involved. I am aware that people abuse the term hog catching and really are illegally fighting dogs and other animals. For those reasons you are justified in your opinions.

I am argueing for the proper use, training, and the actual sport of hog catching when done properly and the use of dogs for hunting feral hogs. (which taste great I might add) I don't however speak for the entire populace involved in the training or use of hog catching. It is known that some don't use humane methods.

Let me make some phone calls and send some emails and see what I can get for you regarding the proper regulations and usage of hog dogs. I like pigs and hogs. I do not condone cruelty or abuse to any animal no matter the species or type.

To tell you the truth i had no idea what that was... I thought it showed two dogs kissing:banana: Never mind i guess...

I'll be waiting on those links etc. I'd actually really like a bit more information, as I feel education is key everywhere. So far everything I've found is mostly about baying and in response to media coverage.

The idea of using the sport as training for the actual hunting, and to solve the many problems with rampant feral pigs, just seems to make sense to me and the most practical way to train for practical uses. Wasn't this historically where the sport orginated? (Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this orginate because farmers would allow their hogs to go 'feral' so they could fatten themselves up, and then use the dogs to round them up at the end of the season?).

I personally have never seen or heard of a competion where multiple dogs were used on one hog. That is not acceptable in any way. My use of the word sport and that hog catching is a sport is in direct reference to the training of the dogs and the sport of hunting hogs with dogs.

The media is famous for misrepresenation and just plain wrong/incorrect information. Hog catching has been made out to be a brutal sport and I will say it can seem that way and is being banned as a sport while the hunting is still allowed. My point is for the hunting as the sport and the goal. It is legitimate in that it is necessary for the dogs to be trained for the hunting to be safe and effective.

The competition I went to a hog was used only once, and the whole endeavor lasted about 20-45 seconds and I never saw a single hog with an injury or blood. The dogs require training, and the competition atmosphere was originally used for training purposes and to title the dogs. The banning of the sport, the competition as it became and the abuse of the animals while calling it hog catching, I am fine with, it is the use of the hogs for training purposes and the use of the dogs in actual hunts that affects me. I consider hog hunting a sport, not a hog in a pen and multiple dogs or a hog in a pen to be a sport. That is training, regulation, rules, that isn't sport.

I've been talking about the use of hogs for training and for hunting - not for penning a dog with a boar and letting them have at.

I will modify my avatar, though that picture is an actual hunt and not a penned match. Those dogs are actually the ancestors/bloodline of a pup I am getting this year - that is why I chose the picture. I don't want to seem to be supporting the sport of penning a hog and a dog. I found a picture I like better anyways :D

What do you think of the new one?

"What do you think of the new one?"

Looks like one of my two legged hogs:rolleyes:

LOL :rofl:

I just changed it again, I really will stick with this one. I went with the french ring take downs and the settled for the running dog. Reminds me so much of Cajun.

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

I personally have never seen or heard of a competion where multiple dogs were used on one hog. That is not acceptable in any way.

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Multiple dogs in one ring appear in the following links.
I'm hardly an afficionado of the sport, but it didn't take long to find the pics and references.

An article on Uncle Earl's, which seems to be referenced as the most formal and well-recognized competition:
http://www.bltcatahoulas.com/Uncle%2...%20Article.htm

Description from a breeder's website:
Uncle Earl's Hog Dog Trials **** March 21-25, 2007
Winnfield, Louisiana
Nations largest gathering of bay dog enthusiasts competing with superior bay dogs!!

Results from Uncle Earls:
http://www.bayedsolid.com/uncle_earls.htm
Categories clearly listed are "One dog" and "Two dog", for every year from '99 to '07.

Two pictures show 2 and 3 dogs with one hog.
http://www.bayedsolid.com/winnfield_1999_winners.htm

Perhaps you've never heard of Uncle Earl's? It's only been a big media story for like the last four years....


Here's another. Check out the trial photos.
http://www.baydog.com/photos.htm
Pages 1, 2, 3, 4, & 6 (out of 7 total) show multiple dogs on one hog.

The NALC, arguably the most reputable registry of the Catahoula breed, runs 2-dog bay trials multiple times a year.
http://www.jcrosscatahoulas.com/awards.html

I'm sorry, but either you're not as big into the sport as you claim, or your quoted statement above is not true.

who cares. :rolleye2:

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who cares. :rolleye2:

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Exactly!:gj:

Must be Mike Vick fans:8:

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Must be Mike Vick fans:8:

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No, I'm glad that scum went to jail.

Those dogs were designed for that sort of use. Like was already stated...the dogs were used to pin boar in a non lethal way for the hunter... BTW I think you're late for your PETA meeting.:gj:

Those are bay dogs. Not catch dogs, hun :)

Bay dogs bark and chase. Bay dogs bay the hog and run it down. Bay dogs are not supposed to be bite or even touch the hog.

The Uncle Earl stuff is not what hog catching or hog hunting is about. A lot of the pictures showing mutliple dogs are old, from other countries, or actual hunts. Multiple dogs on one hog, biting one hog, attacking one hog, is not hog catching, that IS cruel and abusive towards the hogs and the sport of hog hunting.

I don't participate in competition and wouldn't if they were still held. Any hog dogs trained by me will be used for real hunts on feral pigs.

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Originally Posted by Wolves-N-Dogs

Must be Mike Vick fans:8:

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He is my dad.

Ah, to revise .. bay dogs are used in hunts, but I am not concerned or affiliated with anybody that wants to compete bay dogs. I don't consider those competitions as even a sport as the hogs are penned to begin with and while a good training tool to have a hog the dogs can bay at, has little or no use to teach a bay dog anything about locating and tracking and baying down a hog out on a hunt, they need variable surfaces and to primarily be taught to track, the baying is more natural and requires little refinement.

Any bay dog that is allowed to bite is not a good bay dog and should be used, as a Bay dog or multiple bay dogs chomping on the hog will cause unnecessary pain and injury to both the hog and the dogs and the hog will only become further enraged and make the whole situation more dangerous for all involved.

Bay dogs should do what their title implies - bay. Many types and sizes of dogs can be used for bay dogs, the number used depends on the size of the hog, the number of hogs, the size of the area, etc.

This was an interesting read I'll give it that.

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Originally Posted by BulldogBalls

Any bay dog that is allowed to bite is not a good bay dog and should be used...

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The should have read:

Should NOT be used. I type so fast I forget words :D

Hm. I admit to not really knowing much on this matter. I did recently watch "My Big Redneck Wedding" on CMT. One of the husbands was into "hog hunting." They went along with him on a hunt. They had a group of hounds that they released, which found the hogs but did not kill them or really visably hurt them. The guys then ran in, lassoed up the hogs, and put them into a truck. I assumed that they would then be taken for slaughter as any other food animal, not used for dog/hog fighting.
It thus seemed to me, to be similar to cowboys, riding into their semi-wild cattle herds to round up cattle. Seemed like a way for humans to more-easily capture their wild livestock. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

That would be the use of bay dogs only. That is becoming more and more popular with the light being shed on all the people that are not training their dogs correctly and that do use inhumane methods - people are getting away from using catch dogs because they don't know proper methods and/or don't want to be considered cruel. Also, that method depends on the size of the hog and number of hogs being chased. Real big hogs are very dangerous animals and will kill and attack dogs and humans, and hogs will defend one another. For smaller hogs using bay dogs and ropes is effective if there are very few or only one hog caught in the bay.

There are methods used for training catch dogs that I most definitely do not agree with. But this is not uncommon in world of dogs, everybody is a dog trainer and everybody is an expert so I won't go into specifics because it would be really long lol

I dont know anything about hogging, but I do know a thing or two about feral hogs, and when you meet one, let me know how it goes. ;)

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

Ashley, to clarify:
Hog-dogging is a sport in which a hog is released into a pen, and then dogs are set on it. It does not control the population, except in so far as wild hogs are captured for use in the sport.

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Are you buy chance a vegitarian?:D And have you seen a bull fight before?

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

...........I assumed that they would then be taken for slaughter as any other food animal, not used for dog/hog fighting.......

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They very welll could have been taking the hog to feed out, to get the gamey taste out of it.


EDIT-Nevermind....

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Are you buy chance a vegitarian?:D And have you seen a bull fight before?

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What does this have to do with my above definition?

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

What does this have to do with my above definition?

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Well you seem to not like the way hogs are treated in this sport. What would you think of the feeder hogs in a hog barn getting ready for slaughter, the way they move them, the way they are bred. Visit one!:O

And a bull fight is IMO much worse than the subject we are on now... the bulls go through so much more pain and suffering. But it is a way of life for people living in Mexico and Spain. Just as our snakes are a way of life to us.