Unknown morph

I recently got a new corn but I cant quite figure out what he is.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...wguy_thumb.jpg
Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Xandden

I recently got a new corn but I cant quite figure out what he is.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...wguy_thumb.jpg
Any ideas?

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Did you get it from a pet store or a breeder? I say what ever it is he/she is cool looking :gj:

My mother takes care of the fish and reptiles at our local petsmart she found this one in a recent shipment and brought him home to me.

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Originally Posted by Xandden

My mother takes care of the fish and reptiles at our local petsmart she found this one in a recent shipment and brought him home to me.

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Wow thats cool :gj:.Maybe a few other breeders here might be able to tell you what he is or could be :P

Where do you live by chance?

He looks like a normal stripe/motley corn haha. I have no idea though, I'm terrible with corn morphs!

Hypo something...

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Where do you live by chance?

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Upstate NY

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Originally Posted by Xandden

Upstate NY

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O ok :gj:

I'm fairly certain it is not a "normal". It looks to me like an amel. that's beginning to shed, but very well may be something more unusual. The motley/stripe pattern can only be guarenteed if the belly is patternless.

Could you get a better shot of the head? The eyes look mighty dark, but that could just be the picture quality. If the eyes are red it's an amel, and if the belly is clear (no checks) then it's an amel motley.



hana

He looks amel to me...but yeah, confused stripe/motley/normal thing going on, hehe...

He doesn't seem to want any more pictures take of him right now but his eyes are deep brown and his belly goes from white to a brown splochy pattern. I will try to get more pictures later when I find fresh batteries.

If his eyes are brown then he's not Amel. It's possible that he's an ultramel. If there's any pattern at all on his belly then he's not a motley. Either way, he's cute. :)


hana

He's a motley something....can't have those markings and not be a motley. Some motleys have varying degrees of belly color too. Hard to say what color he is without more pictures though.

That's not exactly true. The lavender I just posted pictures of has a perfect motley pattern almost a fourth of the way down his body and a perfectly clear belly to that point. And after that his checks start and the pattern breaks up. He's not a motley. I also hatched a normal het several genes including motley that had a fantastic motley pattern about a third of the way down. Connected saddles on top don't mean much. There is a difference between the color from the top bleeding into the belly area and the checkers that are found on a normal pattern. If It just has color from the sides/top bleeding into the belly area, then it is a motley. If it has checkers and color bleeding or just checkers, then it isn't a motley.


hana

Actually, there are motleys that have belly checks that are true motleys. I agree that blended saddles doesn't mean motleys necessarily, but the guy on this thread looks very motley to me..all the way down its body.

To me the neck area is the only motley looking part.

What will the world come to if we have lots motleys with belly checks slithering about? :rolleyes: hehe



hana

Well, to the Original Poster of this thread, if you want a professional opinion I would suggest checking out www.cornsnakes.com. You could post it there and you will probably get a definitive answer (make sure you include a belly pic!).

Hahah I have seen a few motleys with belly checks...pretty weird, but it happens!

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Originally Posted by clipclopclip

Well, to the Original Poster of this thread, if you want a professional opinion I would suggest checking out www.cornsnakes.com. You could post it there and you will probably get a definitive answer (make sure you include a belly pic!).

Hahah I have seen a few motleys with belly checks...pretty weird, but it happens!

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Whats wrong with this sites opinions? We have several knowledgable people here ;).I am sure someone will get a opinion or tell you what it is here just as well there :cool:

Just an option!

maybe its a mix between like ribbon snake and corn or sumthin.

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Originally Posted by k1ingdomKaa

maybe its a mix between like ribbon snake and corn or sumthin.

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Uhhhh. Nope.

Looks like a stripe/motley normal, can't really tell the eye color. Pretty. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by clipclopclip

if you want a professional opinion I would suggest checking out www.cornsnakes.com.

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This is the part i am refering to

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Originally Posted by clipclopclip

Just an option!

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I am not being rude here but if you think about it you will understand.When i read the "professional" part i wondered if you were a newbie here.Then once i seen you were not real new i wondered why you would think no one here is able to give a professional opinion :confused:.To be honest with you i am sure some members here go on cornsnake .com also ;)

Normal motley (some might call it a striped motley). Not an amel and not an ultramel.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Normal motley (some might call it a striped motley). Not an amel and not an ultramel.

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Matthew i knew you would give us a idea about what type he is :gj:.

OMG! Do I win something?! Awesome, I so called. :P

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

OMG! Do I win something?! Awesome, I so called. :P

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Yes you do here is your trophy :winner:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Matthew i knew you would give us a idea about what type he is :gj:.

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I aim to please! ;)

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

OMG! Do I win something?! Awesome, I so called. :P

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How about a wicked awesome thumbs up? :gj:

Ok lame, but at least it's something!

And for the OP, that is a nice looking snake you have there, he's going to be a looker when he's all grown up!

I'll take that trophy and the thumbs up! Awesome :D

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

How about a wicked awesome thumbs up? :gj:

Ok lame, but at least it's something!

And for the OP, that is a nice looking snake you have there, he's going to be a looker when he's all grown up!

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Thanks for the help everyone. I will be sure to post more pictures of this little guy as he gets bigger.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Normal motley (some might call it a striped motley). Not an amel and not an ultramel.

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A normal? I don't think so. Look at the full size picture, there's no hint of black at all, it looks nothing like a normal hatchling. It looks like a typical Amel. I may not be Kathy Love, but I have hatched Amels before, so I think I have a pretty good idea... :rolleyes:

Looks like a hypo motley/cubed... nothing special IMO but cool looking.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Whats wrong with this sites opinions? We have several knowledgable people here ;).I am sure someone will get a opinion or tell you what it is here just as well there :cool:

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Yes, but this is mostly a BALL PYTHON site where people mostly own BPs, and on CS.com is where most people own CORN SNAKES and have people like Rich that can answer. This site is fine, just maybe not as knowledgeable on corn snakes.
For example, people that say it's an amel.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by hana

A normal? I don't think so. Look at the full size picture, there's no hint of black at all, it looks nothing like a normal hatchling. It looks like a typical Amel. I may not be Kathy Love, but I have hatched Amels before, so I think I have a pretty good idea... :rolleyes:

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I most definitely isn't an amel. It could be a hypo, because as you mentioned there isn't much black. But motley has a hypo effect anyways, so lots of normal motleys look hypoish. But I guarantee you there's no way it's an amel; and if you've hatched amels that have that color, then you didn't hatch amels.

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Originally Posted by BallPythonsRule

Yes, but this is mostly a BALL PYTHON site where people mostly own BPs, and on CS.com is where most people own CORN SNAKES and have people like Rich that can answer. This site is fine, just maybe not as knowledgeable on corn snakes.
For example, people that say it's an amel.. :rolleyes:

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You missed where i was refering to this site not being able to give the "professional" opinion as the person refered to ;).We do have professional members here also :D

Normal Motleys frequently do not have much black or no black on them at all. I have seen many that do not have black and are still normal motleys.

I did not mean to offend by my comment on professionalism, I was merely suggesting that if the OP went to a site designed for corn snakes, they may get a quicker and more definitive opinion that could be relied upon. This site is an excellent one filled with many knowledgeable people, but IMO if you want definitive info on corns, the best place to get it would be a corn snake forum. I would rather ask a question about Balls here, and a question about corns on cs.com.

The snake doesn't have red eyes, it's not an amel....that's the end of that.

Here are some links to good pages about color and pattern morphs of cornsnakes. The first site is a sister site to ballpythonmorphs.com

http://cornsnakemorphs.com/photos.html
http://www.serpwidgets.com/Morphs/morphs.html


An excellent forum with some very knowledgeable cornsnake enthusiasts on it is...
http://www.cornsnakesource.com/forum/


And a link for the site of the person who probably is the leading expert on corn snakes...
Kathy Love's site
http://www.cornutopia.com/

And incidentally, Kathy is a friendly helpful person who would probably answer your question if you email her a photo of your snake. I'm in the process of buying some babies from her and have found her to be wonderful to deal with.

It's been a great surprise to find that both Kathy and Scott Felzer (probably the leading garter expert and breeder) to be excellent to deal with, ask questions and get help from, and communicate with.