What the heck happened here?

This is not my snake. I just stumbled across the picture, and wondered if anyone here had ever seen it. Did the genes get confused lol? Very unique to say the least.

http://www.freewebs.com/royalpython/...ioservices.jpg

Is that real? Could be photoshopped

Yeah, It's a paradox albino. Not the prettiest bp morph but it's cool.

Paradox albino. It is thought to happen when the gene that causes albinosim isn't fully expressed in all the skin cells,

not a fan of the paradox but they are interesting to look at...

LadyOhh posted this once (here or on Fauna)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/balls001.jpg
Forgot what it's called...

Yeah definitely not the most beautiful morph out there, but different.

That explains it though.

Anyone know if it happens often? Do people keep them and breed them?

Here is the best part not all Paradox's are Homozygous for the gene. A paradox can actulity be a het. So even though that animal looks like an albino with black on it in may be a het that had a different issue. Some paradox's are hets and show the partial visual skin mutation. This happens when the incomplete dominate gene we call normal fails to supress the recessive gene of ablinoism. So think of it like a het with a preview.

I actually like them.

So far, as I understand it, not proven genetic?

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Originally Posted by BallPythonsRule

LadyOhh posted this once (here or on Fauna)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/balls001.jpg
Forgot what it's called...

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Wow, that one is cool looking.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Here is the best part not all Paradox's are Homozygous for the gene. A paradox can actulity be a het. So even though that animal looks like an albino with black on it in may be a het that had a different issue. Some paradox's are hets and show the partial visual skin mutation. This happens when the incomplete dominate gene we call normal fails to supress the recessive gene of ablinoism. So think of it like a het with a preview.

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A het with a preview lol. Thats a great explanation. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Kristy

Wow, that one is cool looking.

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That is the Paradox Crystal (female) :)

Currently owned by a friend of mine.

One kick ass snake for sure!

So there have been breeding results to show some paradox albinos only het albino?

Have there been results yet to show any paradox albinos not even het albino, just genetic normals?

One theory is that some paradox animals could be chimeras. This is when cells from two siblings merge to make one animal. If both siblings where normals or the same mutation you wouldn't notice the chimera. But in a clutch that can produce dissimilar siblings there is a chance of the chimera really standing out with part of the skin from the normal and part of the skin from the mutant sibling. If this is going on then there is no telling which sibling contributed the reproductive organs and it should be possible in some cases for a paradox to breed as a normal, not even het if it was produced from a het X het breeding.

I dont like the albinos at all, but the paradox albinos kick ass!
So if I want an albino for some combo projekts I will get a paradox. But I guess that they are a bit pricy :)

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Here is the best part not all Paradox's are Homozygous for the gene. A paradox can actulity be a het. So even though that animal looks like an albino with black on it in may be a het that had a different issue. Some paradox's are hets and show the partial visual skin mutation. This happens when the incomplete dominate gene we call normal fails to supress the recessive gene of ablinoism. So think of it like a het with a preview.

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I don't think that's correct.

As I understand it the paradox trait is not heritable, in other words it is not passed down. If what you were saying is true...i.e. a the normal gene was acting "incompletely dominant to
albino allele", then when you crossed albinos with paradox albinos, you would expect 50% of the offspring to be regular albinos and the other 50% of the offspring to be paradox albinos. Draw the Punnett Square and see what I mean.

I would so much rather have a paradox than a normal albino. I think they are awesome!

I have heard the same Ed. But I see your point Mendel. Albinos are the coolest! I am guessing that ringers are similar to paradox's? Or the same?

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I have heard the same Ed. But I see your point Mendel. Albinos are the coolest! I am guessing that ringers are similar to paradox's? Or the same?

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Here's what I have heard.....

The thread
and the post

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I have heard the same Ed. But I see your point Mendel. Albinos are the coolest! I am guessing that ringers are similar to paradox's? Or the same?

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I was wondering the same thing about ringers. Anyone know?

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Here's what I have heard.....

The thread
and the post

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That is where I read about it. Thanks for the thread and post! How have you been?

paradox is the best mystery in ball pythons not knowing exactly where it comes from is awesome makes it a unique indiviual and thats what gives it its beauty

Hopefully someone has started compiling breeding results of both what all has created paradox albinos and what they created when bred. A good sample of that information should be able to help us narrow in on what might be going on here.

Have paradox albinos ever been created by albino X albino (i.e. does the normal for albino gene have to be present)? If it's just a random expression of black in a homozygous albino then as more albino X albino breedings are done we should eventually see one produce a paradox. However, if all paradox come from clutches that could have produced both morph and normal looking siblings then that would at least fail to disprove chimeraism. While also not proving chimeraism the existence of a paradox that breeds homozygous normal would also be a factor pointing toward that theory.

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That is where I read about it. Thanks for the thread and post! How have you been?

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Busy but doing good....thanks for asking. Hope all is well for you too.:gj:

Someone worked on their car and then reached for the paper towels to clean up, but grabbed an albino mistake! :)

I think that paradoxes are awesome. Weird, normal coloration peeking out through albinism. Anyone who is interested in genetics at work and not merely flashy colors should agree..