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  • 01-19-2008, 07:30 PM
    muddoc
    Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    A few people have been hounding me about Grace, mostly Frankykeno(Jo), but others too. As promised, here are some updated pics of Grace, and I also includedsome of my other special children.

    The first picture is of Grace's scar, or what's left of it. She just shed about a week ago, and it looks better and better after every shed. For those do not know about Grace's story, I have included a link to the original post; http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=53378 .
    http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/gracefeb08.jpg

    This is a picture of the rest of the special kids. I will do as much explaining as I can for this pic. On the left is our one eyed Pinstripe female (actually she has 2eyes, but her right eye is very small, see picture). In the middle are the twins. They are sibblings to Grace, and are named Bitsy at the top and Itsy on the bottom. They were hatchedweighing in at a whopping 23.0 and 21.4 grams respectively. They now weigh in at 52.1 and 46.6 grams. They do not grow fast, as I have been feeding them very small meals to keep from shockingthemtoo much. However, they do eat 24 hour old pinkrats on their own. On the right are Grace in the front, and one of her other sisters behind her. I included hersister, as I believe that she might be the best looking Spider I have hatched to date (her colors do not show correctly in this photo). Unfortunately she sold beforeIrealized how beautiful she was. She was in shed when we sold her. Grace's last weight, as of today, is 242.1 grams. She hatched at 40.7 grams. After her hernia healed, she began a chow hound, and is eating me out of house and home (wel at least the rat;s home). I hope you have enjoyed the pics.
    http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/specialkids.jpg

    Sincerely,
  • 01-19-2008, 07:40 PM
    FIREball
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thats one hell of a special olympics starting basketball team right there.
  • 01-19-2008, 07:46 PM
    python.princess
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    they all look great! do you think you'll ever breed grace?
  • 01-19-2008, 07:47 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FIREball View Post
    Thats one hell of a special olympics starting basketball team right there.

    Thanks Jeremy. I think they'd win the gold.
  • 01-19-2008, 07:49 PM
    frankykeno
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Awww Tim they all look great! Thanks so much for the updated pics of Grace (her scar looks amazingly well healed). I just adore Itsy and Bitsy and your lovely one eyed wonder snake! :)
  • 01-19-2008, 07:49 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by python.princess View Post
    they all look great! do you think you'll ever breed grace?

    Thanks Melanie. I higly doubt I will ever breed Grace, as she will be going to a new home in a few months. I know that is the first I have ever mentioned that, but I won't say anymore. Other than she is going to a board member, so she will not be absent from BP.net in the future. The new owner may breed her, as we have talked about it, and from her current condition and her great progress, I don't think she would ever have any problems.
  • 01-19-2008, 07:52 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankykeno View Post
    Awww Tim they all look great! Thanks so much for the updated pics of Grace (her scar looks amazingly well healed). I just adore Itsy and Bitsy and your lovely one eyed wonder snake! :)

    Thanks Jo. The Pin female is named Winky. She is the sweetest Ball we own, and a hog too. You would think she would be slightly jumpy because she can't see from that side, but I think her heat pits make up for her lack of sight just fine. She will strike in that direction, and I approach her from her bad side all the time, and she still appears to know I'm coming.
  • 01-19-2008, 07:55 PM
    AdamJB
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Hey tim does that hapen to be my spider in that pic?
  • 01-19-2008, 07:59 PM
    frankykeno
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Awww what a great name, Winky, totally suits her!

    I wish I could find the study, it's saved here on my mess of a favorites list Tim, but it basically compared what happened to pythons if they hunted with their heat pits blocked but sight intact, compared to heat pits available but sight temporarily impaired. A definite percentage managed just fine with no sight to guide them but most could not manage to hit prey with their heat pits out of order. I bet Winky knows just who you are and exactly where you are at all times, one good eye or not. :)
  • 01-19-2008, 08:00 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Strong work Tim ... there are a lot of "business people" out there in this hobby that should be taking notes out of your play book. Animals first ... always!

    Keep on keepin on brother!

    -adam
  • 01-19-2008, 08:00 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AdamJB View Post
    Hey tim does that hapen to be my spider in that pic?

    Adam,
    That is the very one that belongs to you. I think you will be very pleased with her when you finally get to open the box.
  • 01-19-2008, 08:03 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Strong work Tim ... there are a lot of "business people" out there in this hobby that should be taking notes out of your play book. Animals first ... always!

    Keep on keepin on brother!

    -adam

    Thanks Bro. I only have you to thank for even giving methe thought and inspiration to give it a try. I also wish I could take credit for having a play book, but I find myself flying by the seat all too often. I can only hope that I have inspired one person to give that extra care to one snake, because of her story. If I can succeed in that chalenge, I will considered it a win.
  • 01-19-2008, 08:06 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by muddoc View Post
    Thanks Bro. I only have you to thank for even giving methe thought and inspiration to give it a try. I also wish I could take credit for having a play book, but I find myself flying by the seat all too often. I can only hope that I have inspired one person to give that extra care to one snake, because of her story. If I can succeed in that chalenge, I will considered it a win.

    Mark one in the win column for you and for the animals Tim. :bow:

    -adam
  • 01-19-2008, 08:33 PM
    Brock Wagner
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim did you get a new camera? Your pictures look real good. Your old pictures looked good but something was different about these.

    I finally broke down and bought a new camera we will see if makes my pictures look better.

    Brock
  • 01-19-2008, 08:45 PM
    FIREball
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Keep on keepin on brother!

    -adam

    Sounds like someone has been watching Joe Dirt too much on Comedy Central. We can just call you Adam "Dirte" thats for the sophisticated folk.
  • 01-19-2008, 08:46 PM
    cassandra
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Outstanding kids! Grace's scar looks kinda just like a longer baby snake belly button...I'm excited to eventually hear "the rest of the story" about her future home. =)
  • 01-19-2008, 08:53 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    It so nice to be able to follow Grace's progress.

    Such an amazing story, you can be very proud of yourself Dr Tim ;)
  • 01-19-2008, 08:55 PM
    Sinsation
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Grace looks great! I often wonder how she healed.
    And the one eyed wow sexy! Im pretty partial to one eyed anything seeing as I have a kid with one eye, so they make an impression in my heart instantly!
  • 01-19-2008, 09:04 PM
    Ginevive
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    I think that, as a breeder, it is awesome that you care enough to keep your stock that did not end up being breeding material. Many would see them as a liability.. I admire you for keeping them and giving them the best life that they can have!
    I am so glad that Grace is thriving. I read her story with trepidation and she is such a beautiful girl :)
  • 01-19-2008, 10:04 PM
    Reediculous
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    The Grace story has been told to almost everybody i know. My mom, who just thinks I'm weird was blown away by the story. My grandmother, who still believes snakes are the devil, said and i quote " he saved that little ugly things life." she read the thread, so I'm thinking thats a compliment, but it's a lot better than what she used to say! My GF, who doesn't hate snakes, but isn't at all into them like me, of course loved the story! If you weren't married she would probably leave me for you. You know Tim's so sweet mess that i have to hear all the time! :rolleyes:

    I say all of this just to say, Amazing job! The true meaning of loving your animals, unconditionally! Your the man Tim! Once again, thanks for sharing!


    :sweeet:
  • 01-19-2008, 10:14 PM
    rabernet
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim, Grace is an amazing animal, so it's always nice to hear updates on her. I'm sure she's going to go on to live a long and happy life! Thanks for the update on her! You are definitely someone who others should strive to emulate!
  • 01-19-2008, 11:26 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brock Wagner View Post
    Tim did you get a new camera? Your pictures look real good. Your old pictures looked good but something was different about these.

    I finally broke down and bought a new camera we will see if makes my pictures look better.

    Brock

    Thanks Brock. No new camera, I just finally got around totweaking my flash. It makes a workd of difference.

    By the way, let's see some new pics ofthat Caramel Glow with your new camera.
  • 01-19-2008, 11:38 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra View Post
    Outstanding kids! Grace's scar looks kinda just like a longer baby snake belly button...I'm excited to eventually hear "the rest of the story" about her future home. =)

    Thanks Cassandra, I'm sure you'll hear enough about her new home soon enough. And, I assureyou that when she gets there, the pictures won't stop.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons
    It so nice to be able to follow Grace's progress.

    Such an amazing story, you can be very proud of yourself Dr Tim

    Deborah,
    Rest assured that I am always proudtoshare her progress with this wonderful forum.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sinsation
    Grace looks great! I often wonder how she healed.
    And the one eyed wow sexy! Im pretty partial to one eyed anything seeing as I have a kid with one eye, so they make an impression in my heart instantly!

    Thanks for the interest. I want to post everyday with her progress, but I think that would be an overload.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ginevive
    I think that, as a breeder, it is awesome that you care enough to keep your stock that did not end up being breeding material. Many would see them as a liability.. I admire you for keeping them and giving them the best life that they can have!
    I am so glad that Grace is thriving. I read her story with trepidation and she is such a beautiful girl

    Thanks Jen. We have put everything in toGrace that we could to getb her on her "feet". Well they don't have feet, but you know what I mean.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by reediculous
    The Grace story has been told to almost everybody i know. My mom, who just thinks I'm weird was blown away by the story. My grandmother, who still believes snakes are the devil, said and i quote " he saved that little ugly things life." she read the thread, so I'm thinking thats a compliment, but it's a lot better than what she used to say! My GF, who doesn't hate snakes, but isn't at all into them like me, of course loved the story! If you weren't married she would probably leave me for you. You know Tim's so sweet mess that i have to hear all the time!

    I say all of this just to say, Amazing job! The true meaning of loving your animals, unconditionally! Your the man Tim! Once again, thanks for sharing!

    Tyree,
    Thanks for those words. Rest assured, I'd send your GF back your way, as I am sure you would have done the same thing if the problem presented itself to you. I am glad that otherscan get a slight light out of the story even if they don't like snakes. This story is about saving an animal (the fact that it's a snake can be overlooked by most).

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rabernet
    Tim, Grace is an amazing animal, so it's always nice to hear updates on her. I'm sure she's going to go on to live a long and happy life! Thanks for the update on her! You are definitely someone who others should strive to emulate!

    Thanks Robin. I have always hoped that everyone else had the samepassion. I don't think I am special, just someone that really has been bitten by the bug.
  • 01-19-2008, 11:57 PM
    Mr. Constrictor
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Grace is looking good. I went back to read the first post and saw the pics and what you did. I think what you did for that snake is great! I hope she continues to do well. Please keep up with the updates on that little girl.
  • 01-20-2008, 12:10 AM
    hgrub
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    I do have one leopard gecko that one of her eye is smaller too.

    Tim, I know one guy whose ball never eat anything bigger than live fussy. Is it possible to convert, if so then is there any trick? He said his ball just too afraid, and he tried f/t so many times without success.

    PS: Grace story is one hell of a feel good story man. Right next to Kurt Warner's story imo :D j/k
  • 01-20-2008, 01:01 AM
    joepythons
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim they are looking great :gj:
  • 01-20-2008, 07:29 AM
    Alice
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thanks for the update Tim. Grace is looking fantastic! I am also glad that the twins are growing and Winky is eating. Great news! Now I can't wait to hear who on BP-net was able to convince you to let her go . . .
  • 01-20-2008, 10:34 AM
    Brock Wagner
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim I just ordered it. As soon as it gets here the glow will be out of shed and I will get you some new pictures with my new super snoopy camera. I have Chris to guide me so I shouldn't go to wrong!

    Thanks
    Brock
  • 01-20-2008, 10:39 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr. Constrictor View Post
    Grace is looking good. I went back to read the first post and saw the pics and what you did. I think what you did for that snake is great! I hope she continues to do well. Please keep up with the updates on that little girl.

    Thanks Mike, update will always come, just not as often, since she seems to be stable now.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hgrub
    I do have one leopard gecko that one of her eye is smaller too.

    Tim, I know one guy whose ball never eat anything bigger than live fussy. Is it possible to convert, if so then is there any trick? He said his ball just too afraid, and he tried f/t so many times without success.

    PS: Grace story is one hell of a feel good story man. Right next to Kurt Warner's story imo j/k

    Thanks T. As for your question, I am not quite sure what you are asking.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joepythons
    Tim they are looking great

    Thanks Joe.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alice
    Thanks for the update Tim. Grace is looking fantastic! I am also glad that the twins are growing and Winky is eating. Great news! Now I can't wait to hear who on BP-net was able to convince you to let her go . . .

    Thanks Alice. And, you will find out who in due time.
  • 01-20-2008, 10:41 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brock Wagner View Post
    Tim I just ordered it. As soon as it gets here the glow will be out of shed and I will get you some new pictures with my new super snoopy camera. I have Chris to guide me so I shouldn't go to wrong!

    Thanks
    Brock

    Can't wait to see them Brock. Super Snoopy cameras are the best.
  • 01-20-2008, 11:23 AM
    tigerlily
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim, you rock man! (and of course Monica does too ;) ) You really are an inspiration in this hobby, and I'm so glad that those babies are doing so well! They look great. :love:

    (hey! no love for those baby turtles? :wuv: )
  • 01-20-2008, 02:09 PM
    dragondavy
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim and Monica you both rock!:gj:
    hoe you both had a happy holidays and good luck this year.
  • 01-20-2008, 02:55 PM
    juddb
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thats amazing Tim.:gj:
  • 01-21-2008, 12:39 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tigerlily View Post
    Tim, you rock man! (and of course Monica does too ;) ) You really are an inspiration in this hobby, and I'm so glad that those babies are doing so well! They look great. :love:

    (hey! no love for those baby turtles? :wuv: )

    Tahnks Christie. The turtles are doing great too, I guess I need to post up some updated pics for you. I'll try to get them this week.
  • 01-21-2008, 12:39 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dragondavy View Post
    Tim and Monica you both rock!:gj:
    hoe you both had a happy holidays and good luck this year.


    Thanks Charlie. I hope your year is good as well.
  • 01-21-2008, 12:40 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by juddb View Post
    Thats amazing Tim.:gj:

    Thanks Judd. It truly has been an amazing ride.
  • 01-21-2008, 01:57 PM
    FIREball
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by muddoc View Post
    Can't wait to see them Brock. Super Snoopy cameras are the best.

    No they WERE the best, wait till you see the Super Scooby camera. It beats the Snoopy and Super Snoopy camera hands down.
  • 01-21-2008, 02:00 PM
    NickMyers03
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    im glad that breeders still take intrest in every animal they hatch... to take the time to care for a life is one of the greatest things in the world... your a good man
  • 01-21-2008, 02:05 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Glad to see Grace is doing good pal!!

    ....how are those baby turtles doing? ;)
  • 01-22-2008, 11:37 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NickMyers03 View Post
    im glad that breeders still take intrest in every animal they hatch... to take the time to care for a life is one of the greatest things in the world... your a good man

    Thanks Nick. I never understood how someone could not try to save a snake when possible. Don't get me wrong, I have put a snake in the freezer before, but, it was beyond help. (Severe deformities).
  • 01-22-2008, 11:38 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daniel1983 View Post
    Glad to see Grace is doing good pal!!

    ....how are those baby turtles doing? ;)


    Thanks Bro. Check out my response to Christie. She asked about the turtles too, and I am going to try and get some pics up this weekend.
  • 01-22-2008, 11:45 AM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim glad to see Grace is hanging in there. She sure lives up to her name. And winky..now thats a cool snake name..

    Good Work on those
  • 01-22-2008, 11:49 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post
    Tim glad to see Grace is hanging in there. She sure lives up to her name. And winky..now thats a cool snake name..

    Good Work on those


    Thanks Ed. As for the Pinstripe's name, I can't take credit for that. I got that name from a buddy of mine that named a one eyed snake Winky. I just thought it was a cool name and adopted it myself.
  • 01-22-2008, 12:56 PM
    West Coast Jungle
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Tim Grace looks amazing, you are an inspiration and a great example for those who want to breed these amazing creatures. keep doing the right thing! My hat is off to you sir:gj:
  • 01-23-2008, 10:56 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thanks Raul. I always love to post these updates, as everyone seems to get so much joy out of the story and her progress.
  • 04-11-2008, 12:44 AM
    sweety314
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thanks sooooooo much for the update on Grace.

    I've missed my BP.net fix for a while, but I'm glad that I'm getting the chance to read up on how she's healed. You've done such an AWESOME:gj::gj: job on her from the very start. Not every large breeder would devote the time and love necessary for the special needs snakes!

    Winky is such a neat name, and glad to hear Itsy and Bitsy are thriving.

    Best of everything to you and Monica!


    RuLyn
  • 04-11-2008, 12:46 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Grace and the rest of the Special Kids!
    Thanks RuLyn. Grace will probably getting another update thread in a week or 2.
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