900$ Piebald

So my male 100% het pied will be out of QT soon so I did a little shopping around to find him a girlfriend for this year since he is ready to breed. I came across a guy who has a wide variety of snakes for a really low price. He sent me picture after picture of pieds and clowns and albinos and caramel albinos. And I dont think he wanted over 1200$ for any of them. He showed me a send a picture of his pied female breeder he has and would be willing to part with for 900$ plus shipping. First of all I have never seen a pie of any size go for under 2000. So This raises some suspicion. The guy seems as legit as any other breeder I have been working with. He is able to answer all my questions without hesitation. I know not to follow things that are to good to be true, but if someone is willing to sell a 900$ visiable pied female breeder... would you chance it? I figure atleast its not bigdaddywholesale.

sounds like a het pied to me not a pied

Sounds fishy to me. A hatchling pied goes for $2000, a lot more depending on amount of white, etc. A proven pied female would go for a lot more than that. $900 for a proven pied female sounds like a scam and I wouldn't go near it with a 100 ft stick. I'm sure he's answering questions quickly now but I bet you won't hear from him once he has your money. This definitely sounds too good to be true.

Remember that cheap isn't quality and quality isn't cheap.

You need to find out why. And if this person is legit.

Caution is key here.

Could be just a Ringer..

....I duno about that....but HEY!...if you dont get screw, can I have his email address? :)

You know, you can email me and I can send you a butt-load of photos of the animals "I have" and will sell at a great price, and I can be polite too...its not too hard ;)

-Josh

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

....I duno about that....but HEY!...if you dont get screw, can I have his email address? :)

You know, you can email me and I can send you a butt-load of photos of the animals "I have" and will sell at a great price, and I can be polite too...its not too hard ;)

-Josh

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But can you send me pictures of your 500 snake facility with pictures of you cleaning and feeding snakes? I actually did some research on him and found out he has an actual buisness and does this full time. He seems more legit than people ive gotten other snakes from. I will take it slow with him and see how he reacts. I hope for the best. but 900$ isnt that big of a hit and im willing to take it.

I have heard this said sooo MANY times...

If it is seems too good to be true...It probably is.

just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

sounds like a het pied to me not a pied

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I asked the same thing and he said it was a low white pied. And it didnt have the ringer traits. it certainly looked like a pied.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

I have heard this said sooo MANY times...

If it is too good to be true...It probably is.

just sayin'

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Yeah I have read it here so many times. But I had to be the one to put it out there again.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

But can you send me pictures of your 500 snake facility with pictures of you cleaning and feeding snakes? I actually did some research on him and found out he has an actual buisness and does this full time. He seems more legit than people ive gotten other snakes from. I will take it slow with him and see how he reacts. I hope for the best. but 900$ isnt that big of a hit and im willing to take it.

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... :) I think I actually could show you pics of a facility and me feedings them :P ...

...but no...on a more serious note...let us know how it goes...we may wanna give him some business :D

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

Yeah I have read it here so many times. But I had to be the one to put it out there again.

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lol...you quoted me before I edited it have the word seems..

my duhs.

:rolleyes:

Anyway of looking him up in Fauna? I don't go over there often, but it's worth a look. I'd take it slow, as you said you'd do.

Is there a way you could see this animal in person? I would never send this guy any money, but if you could see the animal and hand over the cash in person, that would be a different story. I'm betting though that if you set up a face to face meet, he'd be a no show.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I asked the same thing and he said it was a low white pied. And it didnt have the ringer traits. it certainly looked like a pied.

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Post the pictures, I'm sure that the images are stolen from someone's website and the individual your dealing with does not have any of the animals. Tell him to send a picture in front of todays newspaper.....

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

... :) I think I actually could show you pics of a facility and me feedings them :P ...

...but no...on a more serious note...let us know how it goes...we may wanna give him some business :D

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LOL. I figure all bp's eat the same and need the same care. so they all cost the same to maintain. I know I am not in it to be rich I am in it to share my hobby with others, so whos to know that after a few years of doing my own thing and working for myself, I wouldnt let a few breeders go for an exceptional price. The reason he said he is droping his pied project is because he has an albino pied project and a pastel pied project going and he said his female is just taking up room. But Im not trusting anything. Just asking a lot of questions and hoping for the best. For all the nay sayers. I hope its legit so I can hold his email above your heads and watch you dance.

Who is this breeder?

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

Yeah I have read it here so many times. But I had to be the one to put it out there again.

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What is this persons name then? I am not wanting to jump on this "possible deal" just wondering.I could send you a thousand pics of me helping someone clean thier cages and say its my facility ;).I will stick with everyone elses thoughts here its fishy ;)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Who is this breeder?

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I am going to keep it a secret until he screws me. Then I will make it so public he wont ever get an email or phone call again.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I am going to keep it a secret until he screws me. Then I will make it so public he wont ever get an email or phone call again.

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Well its your money :confused:.Its kinda sad that you ask for input here but ignore everyones concerns :(.Let us know either way then

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well its your money :confused:.Its kinda sad that you ask for input here but ignore everyones concerns :(.Let us know either way then

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I wasnt asking for advice. I just asked if anyone was as dumb as me. And majority is no. So relax bro.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I wasnt asking for advice. I just asked if anyone was as dumb as me. And majority is no. So relax bro.

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I misunderstood then ;).If the deal doesnt sound legit to you also then why take a chance at losing $900? Heck send it to me and i will send you my male spider :P.At least you will get something for your money :D

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I am going to keep it a secret until he screws me. Then I will make it so public he wont ever get an email or phone call again.

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Well heres the thing what if he has messed someone over before and we know it. It could save you 900.00 but if your uncomfortable for fear of being sold out from under I can totally understand that too.

They chance he is selling a $3000 snake for $900 sounds like total BS to me. He has 2 seperate pied projects, then says a PIED FEMALE is taking up space.

If you'd like to throw away money throw it this way.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Well heres the thing what if he has messed someone over before and we know it. It could save you 900.00 but if your uncomfortable for fear of being sold out from under I can totally understand that too.

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...exactly, you mentioned bigdaddywholesale...there are a lot of other shady breeders out there bro other than bigdaddy and this is the site to find out if they are legit...

...really, if you would have mentioned the breeder in the first post...this thread probably wouldnt have exceeded a page :P

.I'm having trouble understanding your question..............it seems you have already made up your mind...........If you have 900$ cash to *chance* or throw away, you must have a lot more money saved.....at least i hope so........so why not get a pied from somebody who you know is reputable ..............this isn't a used car!

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Originally Posted by reediculous

.I'm having trouble understanding your question..............it seems you have already made up your mind...........If you have 900$ cash to *chance* or throw away, you must have a lot more money saved.....at least i hope so........so why not get a pied from somebody who you know is reputable ..............this isn't a used car!

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Exactly ;)

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I am not afraid of being bought out. In my current profession you dont give out a connect until he or she loses there value. I am just applying the same rules. I am willing to send 900$ because I dont look at it the same way you all do. If i lose the money I know he isnt legit. If I get a pied in the mail then I know have a guy with 9000$+ worth of snakes he is selling for around 3000$ total. lose 900$ for a potential few grand savings is a gamble I take everyday. Now I am just applying the same mentality. I have sent 10k in the mail this month and I will recieve 10k worth of snakes. It would be nice to set something up where I can send 3k in the mail and get 9k worth of snakes.

I dont work for my money so It doesnt have much worth to me. I just like snakes and love there babies. So thats my rant!

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More power to you bro! Seems you have it all figured out! Good luck!

:sweeet:

Regarding market price, that price sounds too low for even subadult female pied. Then again not everyone sell their stuff "market price", especially if the guy make his own animals. You're going to get only one female or you're getting group of ball python? I import and get morph ball python in lot, so of course I pay lower than the "market price" but never at an outrage below the market price though.

Good luck to you and please keep us posted how it go. :)

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I dont work for my money so It doesnt have much worth to me. I just like snakes and love there babies. So thats my rant!

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Okay Jay-Z, If Money Aint a Thing :rofl: :rofl: sorry I had to, if money isnt an issue, just go get more and buy a hi-white pied from like the top of the line breeder....why settle for a low white? Buy a high white big tymer :rofl: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by reediculous

.I'm having trouble understanding your question..............it seems you have already made up your mind...........If you have 900$ cash to *chance* or throw away, you must have a lot more money saved.....at least i hope so........so why not get a pied from somebody who you know is reputable ..............this isn't a used car!

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I never really had a question. I just wanted this forum to tell me im stupid and im wasting my money. So thanks forum. I think its the money involved that makes everyone nervous. I promise if I produe pied this year I will list them for 900$ on this forum. Mark my words everyone. because someone else will get a deal. In fact ill be bold enough to say, that even if I go out and get a 3000$ breeder female pied I will still put them up here for 900$. If I dont then you guys can banish me. :)

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I am not afraid of being bought out. In my current profession you dont give out a connect until he or she loses there value. I am just applying the same rules. I am willing to send 900$ because I dont look at it the same way you all do. If i lose the money I know he isnt legit. If I get a pied in the mail then I know have a guy with 9000$+ worth of snakes he is selling for around 3000$ total. lose 900$ for a potential few grand savings is a gamble I take everyday. Now I am just applying the same mentality. I have sent 10k in the mail this month and I will recieve 10k worth of snakes. It would be nice to set something up where I can send 3k in the mail and get 9k worth of snakes.

I dont work for my money so It doesnt have much worth to me. I just like snakes and love there babies. So thats my rant!

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Um, wow? If you don't work for your money, who does?

your willing to throw away $900?...wow Jay-Z is correct!....the reason we asked for info is not to steal the deal with they guy but to answer the question that you asked.

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I dont work for my money so It doesnt have much worth to me. I just like snakes and love there babies. So thats my rant!

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That is very sad.

On another note if you have so much money and are trying to make good "business" moves, than why are you buying cheap animals?

Cheap capital will ALWAYS make more cheap capital.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Okay Jay-Z, If Money Aint a Thing :rofl: :rofl: sorry I had to, if money isnt an issue, just go get more and buy a hi-white pied from like the top of the line breeder....why settle for a low white? Buy a high white big tymer :rofl: :rofl:

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because there is nothing proven that says a high white throws high white babies. So I dont care if she just has a white freckle. As long as she is a visable pied. Why would I pay 10k for a flawless car when I can get a used one for half that? I am not trying to ride in style. I am just trying to get from point A to point B

So... why does he have to sell his animals so far below market value to just make a sale?

Why do you refuse to give out the name? Is it because you already researched the guy and found something you don't like, but don't want to take heat?

For so many people here, reading what you've wrote, it sounds majorly fishy. If it were some guy cleaning out his entire collection, I can see those prices being more plausible for the situation.

It's not hard to just give a name and be satisfied with this person's reviews, rather than crying about it later.... and us just saying we told you so. :rolleyes:

(Oh yea, I bit on a too good to be true deal, we lost $1000 as well. Silas of Appalachian Exotics, he used stolen images as well.)

at least post a picture of the Pied so we can let you know if it is or not, i have seen may people put ringers ( have a huge white ringer around the tail same as a low white pied but with normal markings). remember even low whites have the weird markings almost striped on the rest of the patterns...they do not have a normal pattern at all

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

Mark my words everyone. because someone else will get a deal. In fact ill be bold enough to say, that even if I go out and get a 3000$ breeder female pied I will still put them up here for 900$. If I dont then you guys can banish me. :)

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$900 pieds? Way to force the market down. That's the mentality that makes us cringe, just like Big Daddy Wholesale. They says it's for the little people, but they just want to move more snakes and make a profit. :mad:

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

at least post a picture of the Pied so we can let you know if it is or not, i have seen may people put ringers ( have a huge white ringer around the tail same as a low white pied but with normal markings). remember even low whites have the weird markings almost striped on the rest of the patterns...they do not have a normal pattern at all

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Yeah I know the difference between a ringer and a pied. Thanks.

$900.... Sounds like a Nigerian pulling some crap....

no problem man just thought i would throw my 2 cents in about what pieds are... good luck and i really hope this is true because that is quite a find if so. wish the best and many hatchlings for you

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

no problem man just thought i would throw my 2 cents in about what pieds are... good luck and i really hope this is true because that is quite a find if so. wish the best and many hatchlings for you

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Thanks, it will happen reguardless. Want a 900$ pied this spring?LOL!

if it comes through for you sure i will take you up on that deal. again good luck

Nick

don't think anyone here mean to belittle you. At least I don't think so. I think's most of them're genuinly worry about you, fellow ball python lover, to get burnt man.

PS: I'm paying for super super low white '07 pied male more than you so I'm seriously envy man lol :D

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

$900 pieds? Way to force the market down. That's the mentality that makes us cringe, just like Big Daddy Wholesale. They says it's for the little people, but they just want to move more snakes and make a profit. :mad:

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Who says im trying to move snakes for a profit. Like Adam said, he has 400 snake facility and broke even this year. I am not trying to put people out of work, I am just trying to let everyone have a pied. Does that make me wrong? Or does that make me santa:)

Darn~ throw some of that worthless money of your my way, okay?! :P

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I am not afraid of being bought out. In my current profession you dont give out a connect until he or she loses there value. I am just applying the same rules. I am willing to send 900$ because I dont look at it the same way you all do. If i lose the money I know he isnt legit. If I get a pied in the mail then I know have a guy with 9000$+ worth of snakes he is selling for around 3000$ total. lose 900$ for a potential few grand savings is a gamble I take everyday. Now I am just applying the same mentality. I have sent 10k in the mail this month and I will recieve 10k worth of snakes. It would be nice to set something up where I can send 3k in the mail and get 9k worth of snakes.

I dont work for my money so It doesnt have much worth to me. I just like snakes and love there babies. So thats my rant!

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So Welly, you basically posted this to brag and to start something??

I'm really trying to understand the basis of this thread

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

So Welly, you basically posted this to brag and to start something??

I'm really trying to understand the basis of this thread

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I posted this because in the past 3 months of snake shopping this has been the most legit sounding illegit person I have found. I am just wondering peoples thoughts on the idea. And like I stated before I got my answer, no one would do it. Then some sort of mud slinging belittlement happened from god knows where just like it happened a few weeks ago when someone made a similar post.

Well.......okay.....so, when do you pick up the pied? I think it's a super great deal and I hope it works for you. I wish I could fall into a legit deal like this; except not with pieds cause I don't really like them :O - d'oh, hiding under the table now to escape the flames from the hoards of pied lovers!!!!! :8: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

I posted this because in the past 3 months of snake shopping this has been the most legit sounding illegit person I have found. I am just wondering peoples thoughts on the idea. And like I stated before I got my answer, no one would do it. Then some sort of mud slinging belittlement happened from god knows where just like it happened a few weeks ago when someone made a similar post.

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Well, sounds like you answered your own question though...

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

but if someone is willing to sell a 900$ visiable pied female breeder... would you chance it? I figure atleast its not bigdaddywholesale.

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so you have no question..........you know what a pied is........VPI animals are the same as any other animal...........and you have made a decision before you even posted....."you don't work for your money, and money doesn't mean anything to you" .....and you'll sell 900$ pieds on Bp.net, because you don't need money, and you want all of us to get the same deal you got (how nice of you)


Then............

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Originally Posted by WellyBelly

and PS. Why is everyone so up in arms at me about my pets. All I asked was would any of you guys do this.

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now you admitted you had a question and you want to know why we are reacting to your question

....well is against the grain, it's not the norm.............we tried to help, but you don't need our help......you have it all figured out.

You just handcuffed all of us........we have no idea what to say or do!

You win! Good luck.........when the Pied arrives post up some pictures so we can check him/her out.


good luck again :sweeet: