Anyone seen or heard of a pastel mojave?

I was curious if anyone has seen a combo like this. I think they would look gorgeous.

Anyone?

Regards,

Brian

Pastave.. I love them hope to produce some in a year or so. :D

Yes....and they are HOtt!

google search pastel mojave, there was a pic on the ks forums recently of a real nice one
or... http://www.kingsnake.com/scr/Pastelmojave1.jpg
courtesy of silver city.

Ugh, no offense Ed, but the name Pastave just bugs me, haha.

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Ugh, no offense Ed, but the name Pastave just bugs me, haha.

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I can never remember how to spell it. :D

Some Motels are not as nice, but alot are. Ive once seen a super motel, and it was stunning. I really wish i had saved the photo.

LOL, I was like... 'motel?' Super 8 motel LMAO hahah, I have only seen it as a pastave. :gj:

lol, sry, just made me giggle

is there an "official" name? or is it either?

LOL

I personally HATE the word pastave, it just rubs me the wrong name, Motel is a better combo and i like it better.

I think I've seen most breeders simply call it Pastel Mojave, on the forums is where motels and pastaves and all that nonsense comes into play.
I'm a big proponent of just calling it what it is.

i agree. call it what it is, a pastel mojave

Pastave or Pastel Mojo.... I've seen them at shows. Not that impressive to me....

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Pastave or Pastel Mojo.... I've seen them at shows. Not that impressive to me....

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I once felt like this too until I saw an ad on ks for a Super Pastel/Mojo that was just unreal looking. I was hooked since then, once I get my next rack a female mojo and female spider are the first two victims on the hit list.

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I once felt like this too until I saw an ad on ks for a Super Pastel/Mojo that was just unreal looking. I was hooked since then, once I get my next rack a female mojo and female spider are the first two victims on the hit list.

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Oh yeah, when you ad the super form to the mix it's a whole different story.... :)

I can see if I can pull up some photos... They are some cool combo animals!

Hope this is a Pastave in the making :please:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../3/2/lock2.jpg

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i agree. call it what it is, a pastel mojave

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Dude, what about the yellow belly? You said it was better than calling it het ivory?! :O

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Some Motels are not as nice, but alot are. Ive once seen a super motel, and it was stunning. I really wish i had saved the photo.

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I think it was Kev (NERD) who came up with 'mo-tel'. Someone correct me if I'm wrong!

so where are pics of a super pastel mojave?

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I think it was Kev (NERD) who came up with 'mo-tel'. Someone correct me if I'm wrong!

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Maybe, ive just read the term from other people who do not like to call them pastaves:snake:

I've only seen one ad on kingsnake and its no longer up...I posted the thread a while back on the Super Pastave and haven't seen another since.

I think Kevin refers to them as Mo-Tels in his book

So has anyone heard/seen variations in the quality with some mojave pastels not showing the obvious combo but later proving through breeding?

I got a response from someone on kingsnake who had excellent odds producing obvious combos in a small clutch but I remember when the Snake Keeper was trying to produce the first one they apparently missed the first several clutches. Got me wondering if sometimes for some unknown reason one of these mutations can hide the other making the genetic combo pass as either a pastel or a mojave.

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So has anyone heard/seen variations in the quality with some mojave pastels not showing the obvious combo but later proving through breeding?

I got a response from someone on kingsnake who had excellent odds producing obvious combos in a small clutch but I remember when the Snake Keeper was trying to produce the first one they apparently missed the first several clutches. Got me wondering if sometimes for some unknown reason one of these mutations can hide the other making the genetic combo pass as either a pastel or a mojave.

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I've been actively scoping out the cross for a while now. I've never personally heard of this happening but from the pictures I've seen some of the crosses barely show the pastel gene and really just look like a mojo. Seems like a plausible situation to me from what I've seen.

Thanks. So if either mutation can hide the other it sounds like mojave MIGHT cover pastel. Rats. I've got a pastel who's dad was a hypo mojave. He was already a steal of a deal (great looking pastel het ghost for $100) but hoping on having a hidden mojave gene in there too was just getting greedy. I still might try to breed him to a ch mojave like girl just to do my best to work toward that cross until I can get a true mojave. I'd love to see that mojave super pastel. The ghost mojave are very nice. Wonder if a super pastel ghost mojave would be an improvement?

I think adding a little ghost to anything makes it pop just a little extra.

What I've been wondering about the cross is whether its quality of pastel or randomness of the gene that causes the masking. Either way it'll be fun to find out!

It's an interesting idea, if the masking can even be confirmed. Seems like someone would have breed some of the offspring from pastel X mojave by now. Do you happen to remember TSK's original results trying to produce a mojave pastel? I can't remember for sure but seems like it was 20 or more babies before they got one that looked both pastel and mojave. If sporadic epistatic behavior does happen, I bet it appears randomly but there is probably some underlying reason for when it happens or not but would be interesting to figure out. Like the hets for "recessive" mutations that some times show and some times don't.

I definitely follow what you're saying, and my thoughts on the masking of the gene is purely subjective. What I do know 100% is that I'm dieing to find out for myself.

The breeder of my morphs showed me a pastave het. ghost last saturday. he's planning to breed him to a pastelghost next year. Superpastelmojaveghost:D

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The breeder of my morphs showed me a pastave het. ghost last saturday. he's planning to breed him to a pastelghost next year. Superpastelmojaveghost:D

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Or even better Super Pastel Super Mojave ghost. :D

The ghost super mojave's I've seen are pretty darn white. Maybe the pastel could add some intense yellow but not sure super pastel would be any different than just pastel as the ghost mojave already doesn't have much of any dark. It's the super pastel ghost mojave (not super mojave) that I'd think would be particularly hot. Sort of a shadow of a pattern maybe but maybe it wouldn’t look like I think. Caramel mojave is another I’m anxious to see (purple?).