Good New's and Bad New's

Well, I took my large female and pastel male to check there weight, up to this place where I know some BP breeder's. I asked him if my female had RI, I dont remember if you guy's saw my post wheezy sound. Anyways he checked her mouth everything looks a ok, but she only tips in at 640grams and my male is 140 grams... She is a big snake i was hoping she would be 1200 at the least but she's only half that :(!!!!! the bad new's is my female might be a he, and I already got a male so what do I do to check again my self?

Well if you check yourself, if your not sure on what your doing you can hurt them. If you took it to a local breeder they said it was a male. Good chances are its a male. Do what you want with it. Keep it or sell it to the local pet shop or whatever. Thats up to you. If you have had it for awhile, why get rid of it? I would keep them both I would work on getting everything I need to care for them. Learn all you need to know about caring for them and breeding. Learn all you can about what is need, and how to incubate the eggs. While thats going on pick up a female or two. Grow them up when you and the snakes are ready. Then think about breeding them. From a few of your post it sounds like you have a bit more to learn, before you should think about breeding. Thats what this forum is about. Ive said this to you before this is a great place to learn everything you need to know. From care for you ball pythons to breeding and then some. Dont rush it get everything right and it will happen someday. Rush it or dont know what your doing. You will either not get any eggs or could harm your animals, or both.

well if u look at the spers on the tale if they point a little inword its a boy if there strate or point outword its a girl. if your still not sure, u know about the retile barn i tald u about that is right down the road from u. just go there and they will check it for free. the use probs to stick in the snake and if the prob goes in close to a inch or more its a male if it does go in that far like 1/4 of a inch its a female

The only sure fire way to know the sex is to probe. Even then, it's possible to make a mistake. Take it to a large breeder or vet and see if they will probe for you. They go by how many scales deep, males go in farther because of the hemipenes.

Relying on the spurs does not work. Nor does looking at the tail length, or the size of the head. That can be something for very experienced keepers to see, but even then, it's not even probable to tell that way.

Get them sexed with a probe by an experienced keeper or vet.

Also, you've had her for 2 years already, it's most likely she's a he just based on weighing so little after this long. I have an 07 female that weighs that much. And 06's over 1000.

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Originally Posted by alopez700

well if u look at the spers on the tale if they point a little inword its a boy if there strate or point outword its a girl.

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Hi. This is not true. The only way you can sex a ball python is through popping or probing. If you don't know what you're doing...please seek help.

will i geuss its easy for me by the spers because i can put the close together and come pare i have male and a female

The spurs can indicate sex, but is not an accurate means to determine sex. Especially for someone with little to no experience with sexing snakes.
In this case, the only way to sex properly is by probing and popping.

For some good reading, please refer to this article
Determining the sex of snakes

from the herpetocultural library ball python book "Both sexes of ball pythons have large cloacal spurs. in most abult specimens, the spurs of intact males are larger and have a more inward hook then the spurs of females. however, the spursof older adult male ball pythons are often worn, there tips blunt and rounded, and sometimes they appear smallerthen the spurs of a female of similar size." but they r right about 2 things use a lubricated porb and get some that know what there r doing.

Yes exactly, it can INDICATE sex, but is not a reliable and accurate means to determine sex.

Even more so when

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the spursof older adult male ball pythons are often worn, there tips blunt and rounded, and sometimes they appear smallerthen the spurs of a female of similar size.

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-____- I've had ppl tell me shes a she then others tell its a he jesus cant let other ppl do things any more you get 4 diffrent answers -_- il get her sexed and my pastel while im at it

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Originally Posted by alopez700

from the herpetocultural library ball python book "Both sexes of ball pythons have large cloacal spurs. in most abult specimens, the spurs of intact males are larger and have a more inward hook then the spurs of females. however, the spursof older adult male ball pythons are often worn, there tips blunt and rounded, and sometimes they appear smallerthen the spurs of a female of similar size." but they r right about 2 things use a lubricated porb and get some that know what there r doing.

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This book was published in 1997, when the ball python craze was just getting started.

Since then, we've learned a LOT more about the anatomy of ball pythons. Check out Kevin McCurley's book as well as VPI's book for more recent information.

Well, if they both are males il be going back to my breeder and ******* him out i got a girl and a boy for a reson

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Originally Posted by alopez700

well if u look at the spers on the tale if they point a little inword its a boy if there strate or point outword its a girl. if your still not sure, u know about the retile barn i tald u about that is right down the road from u. just go there and they will check it for free. the use probs to stick in the snake and if the prob goes in close to a inch or more its a male if it does go in that far like 1/4 of a inch its a female

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Wrong you can not tell the sex by the spurs.All pythons have them.

I'm pretty ticked freaking lying ppl. I hate when ppl lie what's the point?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Wrong you can not tell the sex by the spurs.All pythons have them.

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look at the second one i wrote

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

This book was published in 1997, when the ball python craze was just getting started.

Since then, we've learned a LOT more about the anatomy of ball pythons. Check out Kevin McCurley's book as well as VPI's book for more recent information.

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since u have this book what does it say in there about these in ""

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Originally Posted by alopez700

from the herpetocultural library ball python book "Both sexes of ball pythons have large cloacal spurs. in most abult specimens, the spurs of intact males are larger and have a more inward hook then the spurs of females. however, the spursof older adult male ball pythons are often worn, there tips blunt and rounded, and sometimes they appear smallerthen the spurs of a female of similar size." but they r right about 2 things use a lubricated porb and get some that know what there r doing.

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I had a large FEMALE and her spurs were VERY large and she was a female for sure as she dropped eggs for me ;).Please stop telling people to rely on sexing by looking at the spurs.

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Originally Posted by alopez700

since u have this book what does it say in there about these in ""

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@ work at the moment. will check as soon as I get home, or if someone can crack the book open and write up the quote that would rock :gj:

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

Well, if they both are males il be going back to my breeder and ******* him out i got a girl and a boy for a reson Fk it

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I would get them double checked before you snap on the breeder then if its still proves you have 2 males SNAP ON ;)

yeah, just when I get a ride to get them checked is the problem now =/

Hotshot, even experienced breeders do make mistakes. Reputable breeders will fix them. Don't jump to conclusions that they're liars.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Hotshot, even experienced breeders do make mistakes. Reputable breeders will fix them. Don't jump to conclusions that they're liars.

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I agree with Nate

LMAO OMG I'm holding my so called female BP, and She/he is around my neck and I said you better not be a dude and she/he made this freaky sound lol.. like *it* was saying somthing back LOL


OH yeah and how they gonna fix it? pretty much time to find a new place

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

LMAO OMG I'm holding my so called female BP, and She/he is around my neck and I said you better not be a dude and she/he made this freaky sound lol.. like *it* was saying somthing back LOL


OH yeah and how they gonna fix it?pretty much time to find a new place

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Well if they are honest they will echange it for a real female.

yeah for a female over 1000 grams i spent enuff time on this one T_T

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

OH yeah and how they gonna fix it?

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If you paid for a female and got a male, then they either need to a) get you a female or b) give you your money back or at least the difference between the prices if you want to keep the snake. Pretty simple solution IMO.

Hotshot, Just because your not spelling the F word correctly does not make it not swearing. Please stop.

Yeah, I should get a female.. but I got a sick feeling i wont T_T

lil, did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed? didnt think so...

An honest breeder will fix it for you - have you even contacted the breeder yet?

But before you do that - make SURE you know what you have. And how did you underestimate the weight by half? Do you not have a digital scale?

It takes TIME to grow up females. If you don't have the patience of TIME, you may need to re-think your plans.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

Yeah, I should get a female.. but I got a sick feeling i wont T_T

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So in reading your posts above, your story goes something like this:

You bought two snakes, a male and a female bp. You have had them for a while and took them back to the same place to weigh them and get them sexed. These same people who sold you a male and female are now saying that your female may in fact be a male?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

lil, did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed? didnt think so...

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You didn't spend 2 years getting them ready to breed, you JUST got the pastel.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

lil, did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed? didnt think so...

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First off, you did not spend 2 years getting ready to breed. Go back and read your first posts, you haven't even the first clue about breeding BP's, much less preparing for 2 years. Don't even try to pretend you did.

Second, don't snap at me because I called you out on swearing. It's a family friendly forum, keep your language in order.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

lil, did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed? didnt think so...

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It doesn't matter - you still need to watch your language. I've edited your post.

SHE/HE was a year old when I got *it* it's been 3 years from that point... So she is 4 and is 600 grams? when I've been feeding her to get her big, somthings not right at all theres no freakin way she's only 600 when my 6month old is 140

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

SHE/HE was a year old when I got *it* it's been 3 years from that point... So she is 4 and is 600 grams? when I've been feeding her to get her big, somthings not right at all theres no freakin way she's only 600 when my 6month old is 140

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Why are you changing your story?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

my female im not sure how many grams she is shes big tho got her 2 years ago and from the start she makes this whisle sound like a pice of skin is over her nose from a shed or somthing its wired but she seems fine any help?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

First off, you did not spend 2 years getting ready to breed. Go back and read your first posts, you haven't even the first clue about breeding BP's, much less preparing for 2 years. Don't even try to pretend you did.

Second, don't snap at me because I called you out on swearing. It's a family friendly forum, keep your language in order.

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1st of all lil miss know *EVERYTHING* I was told 1500 grams 2 and a half years ago, there for I have been feeding her like crazy big rats for 2 and a half year's and shes 600? and when lil did i meet you in real life? you got no clue no I did'nt read up on breeding I knew it would take year's. It's been year's so now im READING everything I can for next year so dont come in here telling me what I have and have not done cuz you have no clue

where are you getting the post from the wheezy? its been 2 and a half years pretty much coming up on summer so i just said 2 then i think about it 2-3 and i just got a friend to tell me how many grams she was..

Hotshot - tone it down. We can only go on what you've posted in the past and your posts are inconsistent.

In two years, you've never taken this snake to a scale to monitor her weight? She should be positively emaciated if she's lost 1/2 her body weight in that time. Have you taken her to a vet to see why she's lost such significant weight?

Also, who has POSITIVELY sexed her as a male to get you this up in arms?

If you'd like, when I get home I can post our IM chat, then I will go back and quote all of your posts to remind you that you don't have a clue. So back off because you've again, been called out.

She has only got bigger. and yes they said i have 2 male and yes shes been to a vet not to be sexed tho cuz I was told she was a female.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

So in reading your posts above, your story goes something like this:

You bought two snakes, a male and a female bp. You have had them for a while and took them back to the same place to weigh them and get them sexed. These same people who sold you a male and female are now saying that your female may in fact be a male?

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yup pretty much 2 and a half year's if you wanna get all the facts

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

yup pretty much 2 and a half year's if you wanna get all the facts

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Sounds to me like they owe you a three year old female. You paid for a female and spent the last couple of years raising an animal you were told was female only to be told that it was a male. If you still have the info stating that it was sold as a female with photo Id to positivity ID that animal as the one you were sold then they should do the right thing and replace it with a female of the same age.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

lil, did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed? didnt think so...

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She is just trying to help you so stop being rude!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

An honest breeder will fix it for you - have you even contacted the breeder yet?

But before you do that - make SURE you know what you have. And how did you underestimate the weight by half? Do you not have a digital scale?

It takes TIME to grow up females. If you don't have the patience of TIME, you may need to re-think your plans.

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I agree with Robin here

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

She has only got bigger. and yes they said i have 2 male and yes shes been to a vet not to be sexed tho cuz I was told she was a female.

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the bad new's is my female might be a he

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Might be and postively is a he are two different things. How exactly did they sex this snke for you?

And she's only gotten bigger since you got her? You couldn't tell a 3 lb snake (~1500 grams) didn't weigh even 1.5 lbs?

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

So in reading your posts above, your story goes something like this:

You bought two snakes, a male and a female bp. You have had them for a while and took them back to the same place to weigh them and get them sexed. These same people who sold you a male and female are now saying that your female may in fact be a male?

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I suggest going to another breeder

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You didn't spend 2 years getting them ready to breed, you JUST got the pastel.

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I wonder why he keeps changing his stories :confused:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

First off, you did not spend 2 years getting ready to breed. Go back and read your first posts, you haven't even the first clue about breeding BP's, much less preparing for 2 years. Don't even try to pretend you did.

Second, don't snap at me because I called you out on swearing. It's a family friendly forum, keep your language in order.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

SHE/HE was a year old when I got *it* it's been 3 years from that point... So she is 4 and is 600 grams? when I've been feeding her to get her big, somthings not right at all theres no freakin way she's only 600 when my 6month old is 140

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If your snake is 3+yrs and its only 600 grams i suggest you never try at breeding because you are starving your snakes.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

1st of all lil miss know *EVERYTHING* I was told 1500 grams 2 and a half years ago, there for I have been feeding her like crazy big rats for 2 and a half year's and shes 600? and when lil did i meet you in real life? you got no clue no I did'nt read up on breeding I knew it would take year's. It's been year's so now im READING everything I can for next year so dont come in here telling me what I have and have not done cuz you have no clue

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Why be a smart mouth to her she is just pointing out that your stories DO NOT MATCH.

what are you talking about lil? pls just stop cuz i have already said this I SPENT TIME TRYING TO GET HER 1500 or even 2 years old befor to read up on breeding and now i am and you're making fun of me cuz of it? give me a break.

who said i spent 2 years on my pastel? zzz??????????????????????????????? my pastel was got for next year for my so called female

so what you're saying is I CAN NOT BUY A FEMALE SNAKE AND FEED HER FOR 2 and a half YEARS AND WAIT TILL 12 MONTHS BEFOR I WANT TO BREED TO BUY A PASTEL? this what you're telling me?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

who said i spent 2 years on my pastel? zzz??????????????????????????????? my pastel was got for next year for my so called female

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Ok have you discussed the mistake and any possible solutions with the breeder you got the mis-sexed animal from??

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

who said i spent 2 years on my pastel? zzz??????????????????????????????? my pastel was got for next year for my so called female

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you did

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did you buy a pair of snakes and get to males?????????????? spend 2 years trying to get ready to breed?

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