Lucy's

I was wondering which white snake was everybody's favorite? I'm going to be producing a blue eyed lucy from lesser to lesser and I will be producing an ivory also. I love both I guess I'll have to pick a fav when I have both in my possesion. Some of you might think I'm crazy comparing them but nerd has some real smokin adult ivory's. Black eyed lucy's don't do it for me cause of the yellow spots.

Nuances Kara's ivory is amazing

my fav white snake is snow but thats not an option...ill go with black eyed

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Originally Posted by Chubbz

my fav white snake is snow but thats not an option...ill go with black eyed

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I should have included it sorry I forgot.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

I should have included it sorry I forgot.

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dont worry its not a lucy...it just happens to be white like one

I voted Black eyed. Because the black eye on the white looks so cool. And it has a red pupil to boot! Lesser x lesser is really nice though!

Lesser Lucy.... Hope to hatch my own in a few years. Bright blue eyes are crazy looking on a snake.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

I voted Black eyed. Because the black eye on the white looks so cool. And it has a red pupil to boot! Lesser x lesser is really nice though!

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The ivory also has the red pupil:bow:

Actually I didn't choose the black-eyed JUST because i have a pair of fires. The white in this type tends to be more "pure" than in the other leucys-less yellow or brown wash.

But the purest white of all is found in the "super Russo"-not even a choice in this poll!:D

Brad Chambers

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Originally Posted by BChambers

Actually I didn't choose the black-eyed JUST because i have a pair of fires. The white in this type tends to be more "pure" than in the other leucys-less yellow or brown wash.

But the purest white of all is found in the "super Russo"-not even a choice in this poll!:D

Brad Chambers

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I've always heard that the lesser's make the whitest bp

Lesser x mo's produce a blue eye too, correct?

At any rate... I like the blue and black eyes equally... but for poll sake I went with blue :wuv:

Lessers and mojos make BEL's too!! Hoping to make them in a couple of years!

I like the blue eyed... but the fire / fire produces blk eyed that looks really cool with yellow mixed in,here's a female I have.product of lesser/mojo
http://www.fototime.com/2E581CC09A03266/medium.jpg

I like the Yellow Spots!!!

Black Eyed for me!

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Originally Posted by Emilio

I've always heard that the lesser's make the whitest bp

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No-just check out Kevin McCurley's book or the Barker's (or any of several recent threads on the various ball python forums lol)..

The hierarchy from whitest to least white goes like this:

Russo
Black-eyed (homozygous FIRE)
Lesser X Russo
Lesser X Lesser
Lesser X Mojave
mojave X mojave
Ivory (homozygous yellow belly)

Where's the "all of the above" option? I think placing each side-by-side allows you to enjoy each one even more, for their own unique characteristics. I know I could never choose just one. :D

I'll take Ivory over any BEL anyday..... :)

I like all the white snakes. But ill have to go with the Ivory and the BEL from mojave X mojave. Just because those are the two that ill have a chance of hatching in a few years. Here is a few pics of the BEL from mojave X mojave. Not my snake it was hatched out by the guy I bought a few from this year.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3fcloseup2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...moj07-173f.jpg

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Originally Posted by KLG

Where's the "all of the above" option? I think placing each side-by-side allows you to enjoy each one even more, for their own unique characteristics. I know I could never choose just one. :D

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I think your right when I have my two I'll try to choose.:snake:

I personally like the lesser to lesser but that super fire that Willibanks had last year that was perfect was awesome! Makes it hard to choose!

Brock

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I'll take Ivory over any BEL anyday..... :)

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Really:colbert:!!!

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...148/BEL005.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...148/BEL012.jpg
Paul

I would vote for Lesser x Mojave...because I'll have that one in couple weeks :D

But since you don't have it then I vote Lesser x Lesser

I like BEL more than Black EL and Ivory, just personal opinion.

Paul-WOW:O!!!

I think that black-eye speaks for the morph better thany words!!

Brad Chambers:

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

Really:colbert:!!!

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...148/BEL005.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...148/BEL012.jpg
Paul

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Very nice!!:bow:

Ah the day when I could line them all up and appritiate them all...lol.

I agree with sputnizzle, i love the ivories. I dont even have any yellow bellies yet though:(

Overall I like the lesser x lesser the best of what I have seen which is why I ended up buying a pair. I have never seen a russo in person so I can't really comment on that. I like the eyes on the fire lucy, but the yellow totally ruins it for me. I like the Ivories as hatchlings, but not so much as adults. I am hoping to produce a lesser x lesser lucy myself this season if my female lesser ever decides to let my male copulate with her.

What about butterXbutter???:banana:

How many of you have actually seen a Black-eyed leucy or super fire in person before?

They have yellow splotches on them...funny how they never show up in the photographs online ;)

Lesser x lesser BEL hands down.....that's the only actual white snake on the list...

What about Ralph's Lesser Pied? That was all white I believe???

My Fire BEL has the tiniest yellow spot on the tail and nothing else, a couple of Mike Wilbanks are scale perfect with NO yellow on them. There have been MANY poor examples of BELs. If you have also seen a Fire BEL and Lesser BEL together then you will know what white really is!!!
Paul

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

My Fire BEL has the tiniest yellow spot on the tail and nothing else, a couple of Mike Wilbanks are scale perfect with NO yellow on them. There have been MANY poor examples of BELs.

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If you say that there have been many examples of bad BELs, I can just as safely say that there have only been a few good examples of super fire's...lol...

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

If you have also seen a Fire BEL and Lesser BEL together then you will know what white really is!!!
Paul

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You're right...Lesser BEL would be whiter ;)

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Originally Posted by monk90222

What about Ralph's Lesser Pied? That was all white I believe???

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Technically speaking, you're probably right...that's the one and only 100% white snake ever produced...eyes, pattern (or lack thereof), everything...

They are all nice :D

I prefer the Black Eyed Lucy, love the yellow blotching, the more the better!

As for the whitest, in Ralph words ''Ha!!...........I'm lovin' it!!...........this little guy has had his first meal and shed.....and I will say this..........and I should know...........the white snake from this clutch is 100% hands down the "WHITEST" absolute ZERO patterned ball python on this planet..........it is a "White Piebald"

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

If you say that there have been many examples of bad BELs, I can just as safely say that there have only been a few good examples of super fire's...lol...

You're right...Lesser BEL would be whiter ;)

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On the good/ bad example then it depends who's breeding you look at. Some breeders are constantly producing bad examples and others constantly producing good. Clearly showing there is more to this morph and the breeding involved than people care to look at.


On the Lesser BEL then I suggest Optrex or a good opthalmpologist:weirdface

Paul

Gorgeous snakes in this thread! I wouldn't kick any of them out of my tubs..........but if i had to choose, with a gun to my head

it's gotta be the BEL! I'd sell m left arm for one! :sweeet:

If Kara's around please post a pic of that smokin adult ivory of your's.:please:

The black eyed lucy and ivory are neck and neck for second place, bluey running away with the trophy.

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo.com

They are all nice :D

I prefer the Black Eyed Lucy, love the yellow blotching, the more the better!

As for the whitest, in Ralph words ''Ha!!...........I'm lovin' it!!...........this little guy has had his first meal and shed.....and I will say this..........and I should know...........the white snake from this clutch is 100% hands down the "WHITEST" absolute ZERO patterned ball python on this planet..........it is a "White Piebald"

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We should all try for a white piebald in the future.:rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

How many of you have actually seen a Black-eyed leucy or super fire in person before?

They have yellow splotches on them...funny how they never show up in the photographs online ;)

Lesser x lesser BEL hands down.....that's the only actual white snake on the list...

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Well, I've seen several lesser X lesser and a couple black-eyed, and the ONLY totally stark white snake of that group was a black-eyed leucy. That's why I spent quite a bit more to get a FIRE pair rather than lessers. Plus the blue eyes look a little goofy to me.

Brad Chambers

Does anyone know if an albino BEL has been produced? Could called it a Red Eyed Lucy

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Originally Posted by NateDogg13

Does anyone know if an albino BEL has been produced? Could called it a Red Eyed Lucy

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That would be the snow. White snake red eyes

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Originally Posted by Emilio

That would be the snow. White snake red eyes

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Snow is an albino axanthic, you can clearly see the pattern

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Originally Posted by BChambers

Well, I've seen several lesser X lesser and a couple black-eyed, and the ONLY totally stark white snake of that group was a black-eyed leucy. That's why I spent quite a bit more to get a FIRE pair rather than lessers. Plus the blue eyes look a little goofy to me.

Brad Chambers

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When you see them side by side you know which ones WHITE:gj:
At the end of the day its personal choice. I'm glad some others prefer the Lesser BEL and Ivory more, the world would be a boring place painted one colour. Isn't this the whole fun in Ball morphs, choice and preference:)
Paul

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

When you see them side by side you know which ones WHITE:gj:
At the end of the day its personal choice. I'm glad some others prefer the Lesser BEL and Ivory more, the world would be a boring place painted one colour. Isn't this the whole fun in Ball morphs, choice and preference:)
Paul

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Well said, Paul!

Brad Chambers

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Originally Posted by juddb

What about butterXbutter???:banana:

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Here's our BEL from a butter x butter. One of the whitest snakes I've ever seen!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../adults076.jpg

We picked him up in August at Daytona from Mark and Kim Bell. He was only 250 grams - now he's up to 1016 grams and locking up with several ladies. I'm so proud of him . . . sniff sniff :gj:

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Originally Posted by Alice

Here's our BEL from a butter x butter. One of the whitest snakes I've ever seen!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../adults076.jpg

We picked him up in August at Daytona from Mark and Kim Bell. He was only 250 grams - now he's up to 1016 grams and locking up with several ladies. I'm so proud of him . . . sniff sniff :gj:

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Another WHITE snake-congratulations on him, and on getting him up to size in only six months:bow: !!!

Brad Chambers

That BEL is smoking hot Alice. I am truly jealous. Now lets see some pictures of him locking up with the ladies.

Brock

Stunning BEL Alice, just puts another beautiful white snake into the pot. WOW on the weight, what you feeding him, steroids and rabbits :O All the very best with the breeding.
Paul

Yup Alice that is one wicked awesome snake!!! Butter making factory..:bow: