het piebald

im new to these snakes as pets i just bought 2 100% het piebald for 250 for both male and female 6 months old. and i got them on friday. the female had so mites i had to take care of but thats the only problems i've had so far.

Actually, someone sending you snakes with mites is a big problem.

Are you certain that you purchased 100% het piebalds? IE, are you confident that the seller is legitimate and not selling normals as hets? The price for a male and female pair seems too good to be true. Who was the seller?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Actually, someone sending you snakes with mites is a big problem.

Are you certain that you purchased 100% het piebalds? IE, are you confident that the seller is legitimate and not selling normals as hets? The price for a male and female pair seems too good to be true. Who was the seller?

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I wonder if he bought possible hets :confused:,no TRUE seller would give away a TRUE 100% hets at that price;)

That's the first thought that came to MY mind-that seems a very low price, and there have been several "fake het piebald" scams the last few years! The fact that yours came complete with mites makes me think it was a fairly shady operator....

Brad

Doesn't sound good :weirdface

will these came from a local shop they were going to make a piebald out of these 2 later on but then his father bought them a piebald so he said he didn't need them but then he told me that he just let it mate with a normal one. so why would he do that because a he would out of that is het so he will just start over.

100% het pied pair for $250: highly suspicious, I think you are gonna be in for a big disappointment in couple of years.

Are you sure this is not a 50% Het pied pair???

Plus the female came with mites??? What reputable seller would ship a snake with mites? This is completely UNACCETABLE

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Originally Posted by alopez700

will these came from a local shop they were going to make a piebald out of these 2 later on but then his father bought them a piebald so he said he didn't need them but then he told me that he just let it mate with a normal one. so why would he do that because a he would out of that is het so he will just start over.

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I'm not sure what you are trying to ask in your last question, it makes no sense at all.

Did your local shop also provide you with genetics paperwork from the original breeder, that guarantees that they are 100% het for piebald?

I think you got sold some very expensive normals with mites.

I think the OP is saying the seller told her he was selling the het pair cheap because his father bought a visable pied, and that he'd just breed the pied to a normal.. and that it didn't make sense, since he'd only get hets out of that.
If the pair really was het, he'd keep at least the female het to breed to that pied, and get visable pieds out of it.
I'd say, IMHO, you've been scammed. YOu MIGHT have a het pied male($250 for a het pied male isn't unheard of) but a pair? Not likely, and that the one had mites is disturbing.
Good luck with them, but I'd just expect them to be normals.

I agree, it's entirely possible you got a het pied male and a normal female for that price (still cheap, but hey, it could happen)... but the mites thing is fishy, indeed.

No way you got two het pieds... sorry dude.

Could it be possible that the people who sold these "hets" are just idiots? Yes, the female has mites, and they were sold for dirt cheap....
Not everyone who owns a snake is as knowledgable as most of you are.

Forgive me if this seems rude, it just seems that some of you guys are always jumping in and raining on the parade... :weirdface

I don't consider it raining on the parade. I hate to post something that will upset the OP anytime, especially since they didn't do ANYTHING wrong at all!
But I feel it's better to let them know that it's highly unlikely that a breeder would sell a pair of pied hets for $250 now, rather than them putting the YEARS into getting them to sice and breeding them, and THEN finding out that they were duped.
Plus, better to look into it now, when there is a chance to get it taken care of.
Sorry you think I want to ruin anyone's happiness in their pets. I really do not.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I don't consider it raining on the parade. I hate to post something that will upset the OP anytime, especially since they didn't do ANYTHING wrong at all!
But I feel it's better to let them know that it's highly unlikely that a breeder would sell a pair of pied hets for $250 now, rather than them putting the YEARS into getting them to sice and breeding them, and THEN finding out that they were duped.
Plus, better to look into it now, when there is a chance to get it taken care of.
Sorry you think I want to ruin anyone's happiness in their pets. I really do not.

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You know that old saying to good to be true? Thats old with me.. Do anyone of you know the guy these came from? Didnt think so, The mites? Bad deal there. But they where in a pet shop full of other stuff. Easy to get rid of with our help! This really could be a good thing for the op. Lets try and help and not just say they aint what they might be. Because We didnt get a Killer deal like he/she did.. Ok Peeps?

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Originally Posted by alopez700

will these came from a local shop they were going to make a piebald out of these 2 later on but then his father bought them a piebald so he said he didn't need them but then he told me that he just let it mate with a normal one. so why would he do that because a he would out of that is het so he will just start over.

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I bet you just have 2 everyday normal ball pythons as the person you got them from sounds like a phony ;).The reason they gave you smells of spoiled tuna and then some:weirdface

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Originally Posted by SnakieMom

Could it be possible that the people who sold these "hets" are just idiots? Yes, the female has mites, and they were sold for dirt cheap....
Not everyone who owns a snake is as knowledgable as most of you are.

Forgive me if this seems rude, it just seems that some of you guys are always jumping in and raining on the parade... :weirdface

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Would you pay $1000 and then sell them for $250 :rolleyes:.Not even a full blown idiot would do that :rofl::taz:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

You know that old saying to good to be true? Thats old with me.. Do anyone of you know the guy these came from? Didnt think so, The mites? Bad deal there. But they where in a pet shop full of other stuff. Easy to get rid of with our help! This really could be a good thing for the op. Lets try and help and not just say they aint what they might be. Because We didnt get a Killer deal like he/she did.. Ok Peeps?

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Why should we lie to him/her and get his/her hopes up and find out later that we were correct :confused:.If this is a straight out deal then sweet.If its a scam then this person can get the money back now;).

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Why should we lie to him/her and get his/her hopes up and find out later that we were correct :confused:.If this is a straight out deal then sweet.If its a scam then this person can get the money back now;).

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theres that!:rolleyes:

Well, just to take a look from a slightly different angle... I have a het pied male that is about 1 1/2 years old. My son bought a homozygous pied male this past year. I no longer need the het male. He has never bred, so he's unproven. There is NO WAY that I would sell a het as a 100% het unless a) I produced it or b) I proved it. So, if and when I decide to sell my het pied male, he will most likely be priced as a normal. I will tell the potential purchaser that I bought the snake as a het pied, but because I haven't proven him, I can make no guarantees, hence the price of a normal. (Please note that this is NOT a sales pitch. The snake is NOT currently for sale!!! I am simply using him as an example in this thread!!!)

Its not worth proving him at this point, because even proven, he would at best be worth slightly more than a male het produced by our homozygous male, and by virtue of who the dad is, I will KNOW that they are hets. And yes, I paid the price of a 100% het pied male for this snake.

Now, I probably wouldn't be willing to take such a loss on a female! Each and every het pied female, whether 100% or 50% is worth proving out with our homozygous male. I MAY produce homozygous babies with them. I WILL produce at least ALL hets.

However unlikely it may be, it is possible that the seller was unwilling to sell the animals at full price because they were unproven. We all know how damaging it can be to a breeder's reputation for selling hets that may not prove out.

Why on earth would the seller breed the Pied to a normal, when they had some "100%" hets? Sounds fishy to me.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Why on earth would the seller breed the Pied to a normal, when they had some "100%" hets? Sounds fishy to me.

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well the hets are only six months old. 2 this a loc. plus its a store have you guy ever been lied to from not pet store but a family owned store and he bought them for the same price he sold them to for. plus if they did lie to me i will be gitting some instant gradfucation some how if u know what i mean. and i did thought about this but if pay that much $950 pair of snakes ill thake the chance his stores right down the road from me anyways plus i have their phone number.