What kind is this?

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http://www.undergroundart.us/forum/u...1198025063.jpg

I'd say lesser pastel. Pretty sweet.

Please give credit to who's picture that is, or provide a link to where you found the picture. Thank you!

I want a pair of them for x-mas. Yes post a link to where you got the pic from, please.


Thanks Richard

After looking closer it looks like a pastel mojave ball. Close to the one on this site http://www.baron-kellyreptiles.com/e...tona_2004.html

Richard

I saw it, That snake is currently on Kingsnake in the classifieds.
Here it is...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=561722
BIG DADDY'S WHOLESALE is the seller
and they are calling it a pastel butter female
asking 3 grand.
She is very pretty.

But yeah, next time you should have posted this info not me.:snake:

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Originally Posted by whippet

I saw it, That snake is currently on Kingsnake in the classifieds.
Here it is...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=561722
BIG DADDY'S WHOLESALE is the seller
and they are calling it a pastel butter female
asking 3 grand.
She is very pretty.

But yeah, next time you should have posted this info not me.:snake:

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I wonder if it comes with IBD or :rolleyes:.I would not buy a mouse from that person ;).It is a nice looking snake though :gj:

BigDaddyWholeSale= BIG NO NO

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Please give credit to who's picture that is, or provide a link to where you found the picture. Thank you!

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someone who doesn't know how to crop or re-size a picture.

looks like a big ball of awesomeness!

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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=561722

According to the ad, it's a pastel butter.

Come on guys, just cause a few years ago he once had a case of IBD? OBVIOUSLY his snakes are healthy now or he wouldn't be producing such nice snakes. Beyond that, did he EVER sell a IBD infected snake? I have seen NO PROOF that he ever did......

Not that I really care, but i would possibly buy from him if the snake and price was right........

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Come on guys, just cause a few years ago he once had a case of IBD? OBVIOUSLY his snakes are healthy now or he wouldn't be producing such nice snakes. Beyond that, did he EVER sell a IBD infected snake? I have seen NO PROOF that he ever did......

Not that I really care, but i would possibly buy from him if the snake and price was right........

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He produces them.....? I thought he was a flipper....:confused:

I have yet to hear of proof that his business practices have changed...personally I would never do business with him.

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Not that I really care, but i would possibly buy from him if the snake and price was right........

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I'm not bashing you, but I'd rather buy the right snake from a trusted seller where integrity means something rather then follow the cheapest price....

It's a fact - He's a flipper NOT a breeder...I won't touch anything that came from Allen...
BT

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Originally Posted by Ridley

Come on guys, just cause a few years ago he once had a case of IBD? OBVIOUSLY his snakes are healthy now or he wouldn't be producing such nice snakes. Beyond that, did he EVER sell a IBD infected snake? I have seen NO PROOF that he ever did......

Not that I really care, but i would possibly buy from him if the snake and price was right........

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Wrong it was this year that he was exposed for having poorly taken care of reptiles and the IBD.I would never buy anything from someone like him ever ;).I would buy from PETCO first :P.I take it you did not read that ENTIRE thread on him at fauna did you? He SAID his animals were healthy and NEVER posted proof that a vet even LOOKED at his reptiles.So in all if you think he is trusting enough to buy from go ahead.When you start having snakes die see who will even care to explain the reason to you.There are WAY to many other BREEDERS to buy from then a scumbag that only cares about the money and not the reptiles.

i dont know about you but if i were to see a breeders or flippers collection and it was taken care of the way that was shown in the pictures by one of his employees, i would NEVER again even think about going to him/promoting him. People come in this business and try to make a quick buck and treat these animals like trash. if im going to ever sell snakes it doesnt matter if it is in my collection to stay or its going to turn around and sell with in a week or two after a few meals they will all be cleaned and fed the EXACT same...so from the pictures i can guess what this guys personal collection is like if he even has any animals

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i dont know about you but if i were to see a breeders or flippers collection and it was taken care of the way that was shown in the pictures by one of his employees, i would NEVER again even think about going to him/promoting him. People come in this business and try to make a quick buck and treat these animals like trash. if im going to ever sell snakes it doesnt matter if it is in my collection to stay or its going to turn around and sell with in a week or two after a few meals they will all be cleaned and fed the EXACT same...so from the pictures i can guess what this guys personal collection is like if he even has any animals

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Thank you ;)

I am a breeder and I do buy other peoples stuff on a great deal. I had over 60 clutches of balls this season and will hopefully do more this season. Once again I am offering for any of you to come and see for yourself. On a side note I produced this girl along with the male I sold about a month ago. Think about this, Noone could house snakes poorly, not clean and not feed the snakes and have productive breedings. I had 92% success rate on breeding this past season with the balls. This season I hope to exceed 100 clutches of balls, with 15-20 clutches of retics, around 12-15 clutches of burmese, over 40 clutches of colubrids, around 10 litters of boas and around 150 eggs from my sulcatas. Come see for yourself and then judge me!!!

Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

well, if nothing else at least he got to come over and defend himself. its a nice looking snake.

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I am a breeder and I do buy other peoples stuff on a great deal. I had over 60 clutches of balls this season and will hopefully do more this season. Once again I am offering for any of you to come and see for yourself. On a side note I produced this girl along with the male I sold about a month ago. Think about this, Noone could house snakes poorly, not clean and not feed the snakes and have productive breedings. I had 92% success rate on breeding this past season with the balls. This season I hope to exceed 100 clutches of balls, with 15-20 clutches of retics, around 12-15 clutches of burmese, over 40 clutches of colubrids, around 10 litters of boas and around 150 eggs from my sulcatas. Come see for yourself and then judge me!!!

Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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LOL. I've never seen a breeder defend there stock that hard. Usually just reply with "My snakes speak for themselves". Maybe it isnt a business that gave you a bad rep, its the person running the business. Not that i've even heard of you before this post but the herp community doesn't look down on a breeder without that breeder trying to be looked down upon. My only beef with some breeders is when its just a straight business and they start caring more about there wallet then they do about the animals. But you do have some pretty snakes though. And id like to hear others opinions on why they dislike your facility.

I would like to hear from OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAS BEEN AND SEEN THE FACILITIES FIRST HAND AS WELL. You never hear anything negative from anyone who has been here only the people who think they know. Also the people who have been are afraid to stick their neck out and tell their side because of the crap given to them for speaking on what they KNOW. And I have to much class to throw names out and run them under the bus! Good luck on your quest to find out information on what people who actually know think. I am afraid you will find yourself sorting through alot of of topic statements, from people who think they know but have never been here.

Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

I've never heard of you nor your business other than a few ads on Kingsnake.com. A quick search turned this up...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...69&page=1&pp=5

Thats all I need to know to keep from doing business with you.

So all those pictures that have been posted on different forums of horrible cages/tub conditions weren't taken at your facility?

The BOI speaks for itself....

I wonder....

If IBD really can linger in the environment, as may be possible (there was a long thread on Fauna about it when that guy suffered such devastating losses)....who'd risk going to a facility where the virus was known to have been present? Would you take a tour, if you knew you might bring certain death home, hiding microscopicly on your shoes or coat sleeve?

Me personally, I wouldn't go within 100 yards of anything that's come out of Big Daddy reptiles. *shrug*

i think its funny how once, someone has some problems, and now they are :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: for life! you think microsoft got windows right the first time it was released. i know it had many problems, but do you still use it?

Software and technicaly difficulties are easier to over look than husbandry and basic moral ethics. We're pretty much forced to use Microsoft; someone who chooses to neglect animals in the past; I'm sure will neglect animals at some other point down the road in the future.

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i think its funny how once, someone has some problems, and now they are :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: for life! you think microsoft got windows right the first time it was released. i know it had many problems, but do you still use it?

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If you feel bad support him with your business....and maybe feel free to not QT the animal and just throw it in the same room with your other animals. Let us know how it goes....then maybe I'll change my opinion of Big Daddy.... but likely I won't.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I've never heard of you nor your business other than a few ads on Kingsnake.com. A quick search turned this up...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...69&page=1&pp=5

Thats all I need to know to keep from doing business with you.

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I agree ;)

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Originally Posted by JBallPython

So all those pictures that have been posted on different forums of horrible cages/tub conditions weren't taken at your facility?

The BOI speaks for itself....

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Now we all know they are phony pics to hurt him :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I wonder....

If IBD really can linger in the environment, as may be possible (there was a long thread on Fauna about it when that guy suffered such devastating losses)....who'd risk going to a facility where the virus was known to have been present? Would you take a tour, if you knew you might bring certain death home, hiding microscopicly on your shoes or coat sleeve?

Me personally, I wouldn't go within 100 yards of anything that's come out of Big Daddy reptiles. *shrug*

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Thank you! :gj:

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i think its funny how once, someone has some problems, and now they are :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: for life! you think microsoft got windows right the first time it was released. i know it had many problems, but do you still use it?

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News flash all it takes IS ONE TIME and your snakes are dead!! So go buy his animals if you feel sorry for him :weirdface:weirdface.

yikes! KIDS learn a lesson from this! Care for your animals the right way the first time around! If you can't afford to take care of them you shouldnt have em!

Thats one hot snake!!

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I've never heard of you nor your business other than a few ads on Kingsnake.com. A quick search turned this up...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...69&page=1&pp=5

Thats all I need to know to keep from doing business with you.

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Thats all I needed to know. Eff that dude.

anyone can change their ways this is true. and another note any one can clean knowing a customer is coming and then not clean for a few months again and be right back in the same place. IBD, RI dont just go away and when some one risks putting many snakes in the same tub for "holding" or even just living together i then know that i WILL NOT buy from this person. i clean every week and if there is any poo or pee in the cage it gets cleaned. after seeing photos from some one that worked for BIG DADDY and said they were hired to clean and yet were put off installing pipe and so on that shows me what he really cares about. it looks like the racks and cages/tanks were thrown together and not taken care of at all. there is no need to even comment anymore.

actually i do pose a question to BIG DADDY. as much as you say that everyone that has come to your place says how nice everything looks and so on, why not comment on the pictures that were taken and tell me and the other members of this forum why you had so many animals in one tub? why were the tubs as nasty as they were? why would you not let your employee clean as he was hired for but rater have him do personal work for you while these animals live like this? and if people were to say your place is nice but are "scared" to say something, why? i have been to many herpers houses and will tell you straight up, friend or not, if their collection was well taken care of or if they needed to clean and dont keep things up to par as a business should

ibd or not the question is still on the boi and never answered instead of taking pics why wasnt the employee doing his job and also can we really trust that person after the reason why he was fired!

on another not i have one snake from adam its still alive and never had any issues, but i did make sure it was well quarantined.
i just wonder how much of these accusations stem from the fact that adam does sell just a tad bit too cheap from time to time. its funny every time someone does sell cheap its they got ibd or they are diseased or the poed breeder trys to get the sellers rodent order discontinued!(this happened with 2 local breeders) might i add im not buying from them again!

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ibd or not the question is still on the boi and never answered instead of taking pics why wasnt the employee doing his job and also can we really trust that person after the reason why he was fired!

on another not i have one snake from adam its still alive and never had any issues, but i did make sure it was well quarantined.
i just wonder how much of these accusations stem from the fact that adam does sell just a tad bit too cheap from time to time. its funny every time someone does sell cheap its they got ibd or they are diseased or the poed breeder trys to get the sellers rodent order discontinued!(this happened with 2 local breeders) might i add im not buying from them again!

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Its usually the same people that don't help support the market that practice sub par business and husbandry practices. Its like smoking and developing cancer, its not guaranteed but you surely increase your odds. I doubt accusations stem from any pricing issues alone.

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Its usually the same people that don't help support the market that practice sub par business and husbandry practices. Its like smoking and developing cancer, its not guaranteed but you surely increase your odds. I doubt accusations stem from any pricing issues alone.

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i didnt say it was a lone factor but im sure it ads alot of fuel to the fire.

are we going to lower this forum to rants! real experiences is what matters. im sure this thread will be locked soon removed due to the bashing thats sure to continue to go on.

I like how they try to focus on those pictures... "he wasnt doing his job!" "that's illegal!" "they're staged" "He should have been cleaning instead of goofing off!!"

Yes okay, focus on the pictures. Really though, FOCUS ON THE PICTURES. If I had an employee slacking for 3 days, he would be gone. And you know what I would be doing? CLEANING. CLEANING. and CLEANING SOME MORE.

Blaming filthy conditions on a temporary employee is not owning up to the responsibility that these animals were ultimately HIS responsibilty.

It's very clear that these conditions were horrendous, how could he have not noticed??
If I had people working under me with my lively hood, you bet your bum I would be following up and making sure I'm paying them for work that meet my standards.

Anything your employess do, comes down to the Boss. Meaning, if your employess screw around and dont clean, hire some news ones. Maybe some more man power was needed. Maybe Allen should have supervised.
Regardless, Allen is the one that has to deal with the conditions of those animals, and if his employees can't take care of it, he should have been the one cleaning up after them after 1 DAY, not neglecting them for weeks until it got to the mess shown in the pictures.

Animals should not be the last on the to do list, esp when your business is selling animals.

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ibd or not the question is still on the boi and never answered instead of taking pics why wasnt the employee doing his job and also can we really trust that person after the reason why he was fired!

on another not i have one snake from adam its still alive and never had any issues, but i did make sure it was well quarantined.
i just wonder how much of these accusations stem from the fact that adam does sell just a tad bit too cheap from time to time. its funny every time someone does sell cheap its they got ibd or they are diseased or the poed breeder trys to get the sellers rodent order discontinued!(this happened with 2 local breeders) might i add im not buying from them again!

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Do you mean Allen?

this is just morally wrong! I don't care when or how those pics were taken, that is just plain neglect or in over your head! no animal should have to live like that! unreal man!

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ibd or not the question is still on the boi and never answered instead of taking pics why wasnt the employee doing his job and also can we really trust that person after the reason why he was fired!

on another not i have one snake from adam its still alive and never had any issues, but i did make sure it was well quarantined.
i just wonder how much of these accusations stem from the fact that adam does sell just a tad bit too cheap from time to time. its funny every time someone does sell cheap its they got ibd or they are diseased or the poed breeder trys to get the sellers rodent order discontinued!(this happened with 2 local breeders) might i add im not buying from them again!

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What are you even talking about here? :confused::confused: The employee was doing other things the boss had him do that were more important :rolleyes:.It has nothing to do with revenge JUST THE TRUTH!!!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29675&stc=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29675&stc=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29677&stc=1
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29678&stc=1



ok these are some of the pics that were posted on there..... figured some cant see them to understand what we are talkin about.... but even though i may be new to balls.... i would never have or expose my snake to this... this is something that there are no words for

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http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29675&stc=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29675&stc=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29677&stc=1

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...id=29678&stc=1




ok these are some of the pics that were posted on there..... figured some cant see them to understand what we are talkin about.... but even though i may be new to balls.... i would never have or expose my snake to this... this is something that there are no words for

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Ok maybe its just me but no pics show up here :confused: :O :P

no pics

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Sick!

http://www.undergroundart.us/forum/u...1198025063.jpg

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If you could post the picture and know the ad it came from, why ask what it is??? It said so right in the ad!

Here is a link to the original thread. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=Daddys

i wish the pics were still in that original thread

really they dont show up ???? i can see them on mine...humm

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i wish the pics were still in that original thread

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they are there but u have to sign up to see them...