Do the other spider morphs "wobble and spin" as well?

I know there's a lot of talk about spiders that wobble and spin; I'm curious if it also shows up in other spider morhs (the "bee" morphs)? Is it the same, worst, better? Just curious...

All spiders and spider morphs 'spin'. There are lots of forums on this discussion. Dont think they spin any different than spiders. Some spin bad some dont. Just depends on the individual snake. Spinning seems to be a genetic 'flaw' i guess you could call it that is believed to be part of the spider gene. Extreme spinning and seldom hardly notice spinning doesnt seem to be passed on to the next gen, its completely random whether itll be that noticeable or not.

I guess the next question is does this have an effect on the snake itself? My spider spins like many others but it doesnt seem to affect her health in any way... right?

I dont believe anyone has every come across an actual problem with spinning other than it affecting there "hand-eye" coordination, or maybe i should say mouth-eye coordination. Just seems to give em that little bit of extra personality ;)

what is spinning exactly?

My male Spider does not spin around or anything dramatic. He does shake a little more when going after his prey, though. I never really thought much of it, and actually did not think he was any different from a normal BP, but it is a subtle difference that I now notice when he is going to strike at something. What my male exhibits, is more "wobble head" than spinning. He honestly never backflips, rolls, or does anything different except what I just stated. So I think that it is wrong to say that "all" spiders spin.
You can notice his wobble-head when he is in motion sometimes too.

Well, as you just said Jen, you have noticed your own wobble. Wobbling and spinning are pretty much hand in hand as a spider flaw exhibited in different movements.

Seems like Nate was just mentioning that all Spiders have the flaw, be it wobbling or spinning.

Kinda just a definition argument there... Nitpicking, maybe?

All Spiders wobble/spin/bob/twist/etc or overall have movement issues seems like what Nate was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by NateDogg13

All spiders and spider morphs 'spin'. There are lots of forums on this discussion. Dont think they spin any different than spiders. Some spin bad some dont. Just depends on the individual snake. Spinning seems to be a genetic 'flaw' i guess you could call it that is believed to be part of the spider gene. Extreme spinning and seldom hardly notice spinning doesnt seem to be passed on to the next gen, its completely random whether itll be that noticeable or not.

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Wrong my spider male does not spin or anything ;).He does not have a problem finding food either.

is this what wobbling or spinning looks like?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2iQtoNqWXU
i thought that it was like an ibd or something. goes to show you what i know.

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Originally Posted by NateDogg13

All spiders and spider morphs 'spin'.

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Cool. I just didn't know if mixing it with other genes had any impact on it or not.

None of my Spiders spin...I've bought some and I've produced some - None spin or wobble...They do get excited when it's time to eat but I wouldn't call that spinning...I produced 3 Bumble Bees this year - None of them spin...The female Bee that I kept back has what I call a "head tilt"...Nothing major - The only time she tilts (tilts slightly to the side) her head is when you pull out her tub...The male Bee that I kept back doesn't "tilt", wobble or spin - He feeds and breeds great though...LOL...I have seen pics of severe spinning in Spiders - I believe Cory Woods has the worst case of a Spider spinning that I have seen...I guess it comes down to - Some do and some don't but to say they all do is not accurate...
BT

Adam did a blog entry about spiders:

The Real Spin on Spiders
http://forum.8ballpythons.com/blog/?p=5

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Well, as you just said Jen, you have noticed your own wobble. Wobbling and spinning are pretty much hand in hand as a spider flaw exhibited in different movements.

Seems like Nate was just mentioning that all Spiders have the flaw, be it wobbling or spinning.

Kinda just a definition argument there... Nitpicking, maybe?

All Spiders wobble/spin/bob/twist/etc or overall have movement issues seems like what Nate was trying to say.

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Maybe I am just unclear on what spinning itself is. Is it the snake wildly flipping about when it tries to move? Or is this referring to the "spinning" motion that the head makes when it is wobbling? Like, if you made a fist out in front of you, and started moving it in circles while keeping your wrist stiff..?
If spinning is just another term for wobble-head, then I will rethink my words. But if spinning is something dramatic where the snake has trouble moving, I will disagree with Nate, because my spider has never exhibited anything more than a slight wobbly head during feeding times.

Spinning is a more severe version of wobbling.

And tipping is a more severe version of wobbling as well. (Almost constant)

It just depends.

All the wobbling or tilting of the head is still what is considered 'spinning', just to a far lesser degree. many people say that theres do not spin which could be true or they may not do it while your around. Spiders have been around for a little while now and its possible that selective breeding has diluted some of the spinning. Watch your spiders for a while when they get excited or just moving around. The worst case ive seen is one that spun almost like a corkscrew, i came across it on a forum discussion about spinning but i dont remember where the thread is. If there are spiders out there that truly exhibit absolutely no spinning that would be great. Being able to produce offspring with no spinning could bring the price of those spiders up possibly and make the morph even more popular than it already is. There are breeders out there who will not breed spiders just because they believe the spinning to be a flaw and not a charasmatic defect ;)

my spider would spin and wobble all the time when i first got him. But now adays he doesnt do it. He gets a little over excited when he knows hes gonna get a rat though, nothing to crazy.

Ever since i got into ball pythons spiders were the first morph to really get me excited and i told myself one day i would own one. About a month or so before i was planning on getting one i came across an article on spinning and a lot like others on here i was like "whats that". I read and worried my little head off on spinning and wobbling and whatever you want to call. So much in fact that i wasn't even going to mess with it and just not get one. I wasn't going to throw away $400 on a possibly defected animal. Well to make a long story short i went the daytona show in august talked to a ton of people about it and ended up buying one a little later. Needless to say it was the best choice i could have made. Spiders are buy far my favorite snake, favorite base moprh, and my guy has the best additude out of all mine. He spins and it is actually quite entertaining. He doesn't seem to be in any pain or discomfort. Just that he likes to dance by spinning his head around, ha. He eats frozen like a pro, best feeder out of all mine as well. All in all i would never go again with out a spider. So don't let this discourage anyone on buying one. :banana:

I have an '07 spider that I have had for just a few weeks and have seen no evidence of wobbling or spinning as yet. Not to say that it wont show up but none so far.I have a Mojave that often wobbles his head for one or two seconds before striking his prey.

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

I have an '07 spider that I have had for just a few weeks and have seen no evidence of wobbling or spinning as yet. Not to say that it wont show up but none so far.I have a Mojave that often wobbles his head for one or two seconds before striking his prey.

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Just last night I made that post and this morning I was cleaning cages and she was wobbling her head like she has Parkinsons' disease. So I retract my quoted statement.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UOk4HDSY2xE

Take a look at that vid. I think it shows what a spider's spinning head looks like. I am not too sure tho since the Bp is feeding and the spinning might be just from that.

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Originally Posted by hammerhead

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UOk4HDSY2xE

Take a look at that vid. I think it shows what a spider's spinning head looks like. I am not too sure tho since the Bp is feeding and the spinning might be just from that.

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This is my video, Mr. Wibbles is my spider, so I can speak to this somewhat.

Above, dsirkle describes it perfectly using words I've chosen before: it's like he has Parkinson's. Some days are worse than others. He rarely performs for the camera, but then again, I'm not trying anymore. It's not the same for all spiders and some are consistently worse than others, but here's a description of how the defect manifests itself in Mr. Wibbles.

When feeding: About 30% of the time, Mr. Wibbles misses his mark by a good 90 degree angle. This will occasionally result in him slapping his head against the side of the tub. Sometimes he misses a second time. I think the striking action really takes it out of him, because the third strike has no force at all to it, no gusto at all, but I help him out by putting the rat practically right on his nose, and he just wraps it from there. He has a hardy appetite and has never passed up a meal.

When handling: Handling is when it shows up the most. Simply turning him upside down usually results in a slow recovery to upright position, and even then he doesn't exactly choose the path of least resistance. He'll twist his head around to upright and only later figure out the whole body needs to turn, so he flops his head back upside down and does it correctly the second go-round. When he explores his little head flops left and right, but he corrects it just fine. It's worst when he's excited (as with a feeding strike); once he settles down, you can't tell he's a wobbler at all.

When on his own in his tub: I'll put it this way: when I enter my reptile room, all I can hear is the white noise of the humidifiers. But as soon as it's dinner time, I occasionally hear tiny little bumping noises coming from the second slot from the top of my Jason's Jungle 5-slot adult rack.

My opinion? The wobble head defect does not appear to be a quality of life issue for Mr. Wibbles. He eats well, sheds perfectly, and handles nicely. He thermoregulates like all my other balls. He's growing like a weed. He's active at night and sleeps by day, just like any other BP. He does not appear to lead a tortured existence.

That being said, I would consider his case mild to moderate. I've seen pictures of more severe cases and it doesn't look good. Lots of loops and spirals and stuff, like the snakes are desperate for a visit to the chiropractor or something. Not Mr. Wibbles. He's handi-capable, and to be honest, it's somewhat endearing. He's a keeper.