Fire markers? Pics please. :-)

I've been looking at pictures of fires a lot lately, and I'm just not picking up on whatever it is that distinguishes them from a bright normal.

I understand that the difference are subtle, but obviously they are present or you wouldn't be able to tell them from normal clutchmates.

So for those of you that have seen them, what are the differences from a normal?

And if you have any pictures of fires, please share. :-)

Here's a few pics of our '07 male we recently picked up from Brad Armitage @ Picasso Reptiles. My photography skills and equipment are average at best. He is MUCH better looking in person :confused: (in snake?).

As for markers, every marker I've heard of for Fires can be found in some shape, form or fashion on a good many of the "normals" we have have in our collection and they aren't Fires as far as I know.

The best thing to do is purchase from a reputable breeder who you can trust. When you start producing your own Fires, you won't have any trouble picking out the Fires when compared to their normal siblings, especially after a few sheds.

I have heard they get brighter with every shed and so far ours has proven that to be an accurate statement. Placed beside our lightest and brightest normal, he is obviously different. He just has a glow that they don't. Hope this helps you a little.

http://photos.imageevent.com/corners...e/FIRE2262.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/corners...e/FIRE2271.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/corners...e/FIRE2275.jpg

nice fire:)

I'm local to Brad Armitage and went by his place a few months ago to pick up a snake. He let me look at his Fire's in person and I was very impressed. I too could never tell from pictures what the big deal was, but after seeing them in person....they definately stand out. They basically look like a hypo but without that "I look like I'm going into shed" dullness. Hope that helped.

There is always talk about bellies, do they have clear bellies or marked?

Pictures of bellies, anyone?

Evidently it's to remain hush hush. :) This would be a great new page for the Hunters Guide....


So, here is a question. Not going to say whether this is a Fire from a proven line, unproven line or an unknown critter. It's a male BP sitting on top of a travel tote. In your educated opinion is this animal a Fire?

Seems light, has a head marker but doesn't quite look like a clover leaf to me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Novallee/MrX.jpg

I'd say not a fire-the background color isn't quite the right shade, nor is the head-at least compared to my pair (also from Brad Armitadge).

Brad Chambers

Well, I left after posting this, I loathe dial up, dear god I miss my wireless internet :( Anyway, the photo is a truly terrible one. He's about three shades lighter in person.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Novallee/MrX.jpg

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That's a nice snake M :D

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There is always talk about bellies, do they have clear bellies or marked?

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http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...n/c2e2c940.jpg

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And if you have any pictures of fires, please share. :-)

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http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...n/feb43259.jpg

Yes, I agree, he's a cute critter. I put my vote in to name him Irish Cream but hey, I've been called a lush. :)


Anywho, back to the question at hand. Is this animal a fire? Why or why not?


GAH DIAL UP!!!!!!!!


Cue, I really hope that there are some areas in your life where you are direct and to the point ;) Nice belly shot though, it's even nice enough to show off the headspot for ya. That's a model in the making that one.

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to name him Irish Cream

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Mmmm..baileys :clap:

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Anywho, back to the question at hand. Is this animal a fire? Why or why not?

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Take a pic on a white background and make it bigger :please:

Cue, you're kind of my hero. You're like Mr. Miyagi - making us teach ourselves the answer. -lol-

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Cue, you're kind of my hero.

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You're like Mr. Miyagi - making us teach ourselves the answer. -lol-

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Wax on Wax off :rofl:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...n/349858de.jpg

'07 fire from fire X normal
it seems that fires from leucy X normal are brighter than those produced from fire X normal
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...nakes/nov2.jpg

So, I've managed to track down some belly shots. Do all fires have clear bellies?

All the ones I've seen have had unmarked bellies....

Brad

Forgive me if this is hijacking, but I was wondering something...
My male Merlin, a wc "normal", looks more and more like a Fire with every shed. He has the head pattern, he has very nice blushing, and honestly gets brighter each time.
His belly is what is confusing, because the first half of is is clear and unmarked, but the lower half of him has pattern.

So, now my question. If I wanted to prove him, would I need a normal, or a Fire female?

Here's a pic or two of Loki (cb dark normal) and Merlin (wc BRIGHT normal) :D ... just for comparison.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...1/Picture5.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...1/Picture2.jpg

headshots

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...1/Picture4.jpg

Please forgive the quality, I couldn't find my camera, so i took these with a webcam.

Since FIRE is a codominant trait, all you need to do is breed him to a normal. Ifyou get "FIRE-like" offspring, breed one back to him to try for a leucy.

He actually looks almost axanthic to me, rather than FIRE. That could be an artifact of the camera? How true is the color in these pics? Also, the patterned belly gives me doubts.

Brad

Yes, the 'camera' is at fault here. I can see from the pics how he does look kind of axanthic, but in person, he's really high/bright gold, with almost reddish brown blushing. I was trying to get a good shot of that in the second pic, but that obviosuly didn't happen. :P I so need a better camera.

I've been dreamin of the day my female (Kali) gets big enough to breed. She's almost 1,000 grams, and I discovered yesterday that she has folicles! :banana: Now to get her to put on 5 or 6 hundred grams!

I'm still tryin to get the hang of this dom/co-dom stuff, so i appreciate your input. :)