Viral Respiratory Infection Info

This was posted on an other forum and I think people should read it http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1437343,1437343

I was following this on Fauna, very scary and very sad situation for her.

Hi,

The link is dead for me at the moment - any links to the fauna one instead?


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi, The link is dead for me at the moment - any links to the fauna one instead?dr del

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Yes (KS pulled the thread out) here is the link on Faunahttp://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=105621

Post #122 is where it is explain that the RI is Viral and not Bacterial

Scary stuff

Oh that's horrible,:(

To lose one in those circumstances and still not know on the others. I hope they get better and there is some kind of resolution to that thread.:please:


dr del

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

Yes (KS pulled the thread out) here is the link on Faunahttp://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=105621

Post #122 is where it is explain that the RI is Viral and not Bacterial

Scary stuff

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page 25 for those that dont want to weed through all the posts. and must i ad wow that sucks really bad. i hope he makes good on it though and it all works out for the snakes.

especially because i have one right now that just came up with ri, but i was gone for a week and im pretty sure it was my fault and feel really bad about it.

Wow, I didn't read the whole post, just posts 110 on up. Again wow, that's insane. I am sorry for her losses.

Hmmm. I have seen Jen post for a few years on all the forums.. She':rolleyes:s had ri problems almost every year Right jen? Wow it would be cool to find out who really has the problem. Jen or twi..

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Hmmm. I have seen Jen post for a few years on all the forums.. She':rolleyes:s had ri problems almost every year Right jen? Wow it would be cool to find out who really has the problem. Jen or twi..

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Jas, that was rather nasty of you.

Jess, although the presentation may not have been the best, I think it's a fair question. I also remember her having RI's each year.

I can also remember her getting in new animals and taking photos of them the same day with her exisiting animals. She may not do that now, but she did.

I've talked to others that I respect about this, and they agree that an animal that isn't already compromised wouldn't succomb (her existing female) as quickly as it did.

I was also reminded that colds are viral infections.

Perhaps it's a difference in memory...she says in that thread that this is the first respiratory infection she's had in her collection.

Either way, it's a horrible thing to go through, and a useful thread for the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

Perhaps it's a difference in memory...she says in that thread that this is the first respiratory infection she's had in her collection.

Either way, it's a horrible thing to go through, and a useful thread for the rest of us.

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If you go back 3+ years to all the forums she posts on. You will see different.. :colbert:

Well, there are some new things being brought to the fauna thread that's for sure.

Interesting...she's had two RI's in the past year before this animal arrived. There are questions that need to be answered.

a lot of questions unanswered, but when you have a snake drop dead, thats serious................i do hope she figures it out......that has to be devastating

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a lot of questions unanswered, but when you have a snake drop dead, thats serious................i do hope she figures it out......that has to be devastating

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It will all be figured out shortly! God I love it when I'm right! Which is Most of the time!!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

It will all be figured out shortly! God I love it when I'm right! Which is Most of the time!!:rolleyes:

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Jas you always have the inside scoop!

Well now again looks as if some things have been answered, interesting thread to say the least.

getting a little crazy over there!

Always good for time to sit back and watch the fur fly.

Have I missed anything over there?

"knocking on wood" only had one RI in my burm and I scared the hell outa me. Lucky me she was in a big enclosure in the garage away from my Guest house I use as the snake rooms.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Have I missed anything over there?

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Why you got banned again :8: ?

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

Why you got banned again :8: ?

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Ahhh.. Yea... DUH! lol.. I dont know what I did this time?:rolleyes:

"knocking on wood" only had one RI in my burm and I scared the hell outa me. Lucky me she was in a big enclosure in the garage away from my Guest house I use as the snake rooms. :snake:

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Originally Posted by Repti-Rob

"knocking on wood" only had one RI in my burm and I scared the hell outa me. Lucky me she was in a big enclosure in the garage away from my Guest house I use as the snake rooms. :snake:

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We heard you the first time!:P

yeah yeah I'm at work didn't think the first one went through.....ok so i'm not paying attention at work imagine that! lol :rolleye2:

Ugh... :rolleye2: Glanced at the thread... so is it truth that there is an "Air born Virus"... or can a virus only be passed through contact/shared water etc... !?!?!?

If it's not safe to QT in a different room across the house... then what!?!?!

*tummy is rolling* :weirdface

Jas, you really should get your facts straight before you open your mouth (or should I say, punch the keys). My exact words were "I have never dealt with an RI before". That statement is true -- I had one WC female come in already blowing green goo straight out of the box. She died within a couple days, before I had the chance to treat her or do anything with her at all. After conferrring with Dr. Alan Slack, he stated that she was too far gone before she even arrived in order to be saved. The presence of neon green mucous and large amount of it indicated a strong bacterial RI. Hence, I have never dealt with an RI -- I didn't deal with her. That was also 9 MONTHS AGO -- my vet laughed when I mentioned people suggesting that the bug from that female lived in my carpet for 7 months then magically infected my collection all at the same time out of nowhere. That was the one and only RI ever -- not sure where you're getting "one every year" from or that I've had 2, 3, 4...you must be buddies with TWI, you guys both make things up and pull things out of you-know-where.

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...an animal that isn't already compromised wouldn't succomb (her existing female) as quickly as it did...

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As my vet explained, an immunocompromised animal would. Dizzy died after 10 days, Lola died somewhere around 2-4 days after she must have developed symptoms, and I just lost the only baby I held back from my breedings this year. She showed NO SYMPTOMS at all, not even the very night before, then just 24 hours later in full blown respiratory and kidney failure. Yet the het clown held on for 2 months with full-blown symptoms. Why the difference between these animals? It is affecting each snake differently -- some have stronger immunity and ability to fight it than others. This seems like common sense here...

For those of you following this entire mess, here is a blog I made with all of the info I posted on the BOI (and more recent info that I had not). So instead of wading through 10 pages of garbage over there, this is all condensed into one page:

blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=204825&blogID=336374504

All I can say is the whole situation really sucks! Thanks Deb for sharing this. Many think quarrantine is paranoia/overrated and say "I have never had a problem". Hopefully we can learn from someone elses unfortunate experience and realize quarrantine can mean life or death.

Jen i am very sorry for your losses and problems. Instead of everyone trying to pass blame we should try to learn how to better care for our animals. We will probably never know who was at fault but we definately know what is at stake.

Dr. Gordon just called me 5 minutes ago, and left me a voicemail giving me some new information that is pretty much devastating.

He said he got ahold of a very respected snake pathologist that he trusts to have a broad knowledge of things like what we're dealing with, and when he asked her for her opinion before we sent the bodies down, this is what she told him:

Based on everything we have experienced this far, it sounds very much like a raptovirus -- which is related to rabies. She said they have documented it existing in various collections in Texas (gee, where did the het clown come from -- and I have never told him anything about her seller), and unfortunately there is no cure or treatment. It is basically comfort cares and allowing the animal to beat it on its own, which is highly unlikely. He said the key thing is separation, separation, separation. Keep the obviously infected animals as far away from the rest of the collection as possible (which has been done since October 12th when I moved the het clown into my bedroom, then when I moved the other sick snakes that showed up into my room as well). Clean EVERYTHING with bleach, wear gloves and some kind of lab coat when working with the infected animals, and discard it afterwards. This virus has a good probability of wiping out out my entire collection.

At this point, we are still sending out the 3 bodies for full analysis to determine whether or not this is the raptovirus, and we will go from there. The tests for each sample needed run upwards of $200 each, so this is not going to be easy -- but it must be done if we are going to nail this down.

I will keep updating as things progress.

all of this is so confusing .............. :confused: