Axanthic and Anerytheristic... and true Ghosts

So, I have a question:

In relation to BPs vs. boas and corns, what's the difference between the Axanthic gene and the Anerytheristic gene? Both genes produce a completely black and white snake. They both, therefore, inhibit the yellows, browns, reds, grays, etc. So what's the difference?

And moving on from that... if a true ghost in the snake world is defined as being a Hypo by Anerytheristic crossing---and there is no difference between the anerytheristic gene and the axanthic gene---wouldn't a Hypo by Axanthic cross in the BP world mean producing a true "ghost"?

And isn't the term "ghost" referring to a hypo snake therefore incorrect?

Also, has anyone produced an Axanthic Hypo (which I guess would be called an Axanthic ghost)? I want to see one! :D

Not gonna lie... I just woke up and reading this post made my brain explode, even though I know what all of that ment... Give me a couple more hopurs and some coffee/Mt. Dew and I'll see if I can help with this, lol.

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So, I have a question:

In relation to BPs vs. boas and corns, what's the difference between the Axanthic gene and the Anerytheristic gene? Both genes produce a completely black and white snake. They both, therefore, inhibit the yellows, browns, reds, grays, etc. So what's the difference?

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Anerytheristic restricts the animals ability to produce the "red" pigment.
Axanthic restricts the animals ability to produce the yellow pigment.

Because the wild type ball doen't produce "red" pigment as seen in boas and corns anerythistic isn't a mutation that would effect the look of the base animal.

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And moving on from that... if a true ghost in the snake world is defined as being a Hypo by Anerytheristic crossing---and there is no difference between the anerytheristic gene and the axanthic gene---wouldn't a Hypo by Axanthic cross in the BP world mean producing a true "ghost"?

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Yes a homozygous Hypo axanthic is a true ghost. There is a defference in Anerytheristic and axanthic. People that deal with balls have been over the last couple of years moving away form the "Ghost" and more to the Hypo description when labeling the animals that are simply hypomelanistic in nature

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And isn't the term "ghost" referring to a hypo snake therefore incorrect?

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Not incorrect.. They could have named it the "flying purple people eater" and thats what its name would be. It was named Ghost cause thats what the original breeder wished to call it

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Also, has anyone produced an Axanthic Hypo (which I guess would be called an Axanthic ghost)? I want to see one! :D

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I think theres one or two running around out there but I could be wrong

I was under the assumption that a true 'ghost' would be a t- albino and an axanthic.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I was under the assumption that a true 'ghost' would be a t- albino and an axanthic.

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Thats a snow.. :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Thats a snow.. :D

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Right. I would consider that a true ghost as hypomelanisitic is more of a dilution...

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Thats a snow.. :D

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And I want me one of those too lol!

Thanks for the info... It would be really great to see a true ghost. I'm all about the ghost genes, I think they make some of the prettiest snakes. :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Right. I would consider that a true ghost as hypomelanisitic is more of a dilution...

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Guess that goes back to the whole point... people will call their animals whatever they wish.

The snow is just a traditional label, as is the ghost. I guess I was just trying to clarify that, in the BP world, a ghost isn't a ghost in the traditional sense, but should be called a hypo... and a true ghost is a hypo by axanthic.

Well, how can a true ghost be a hypo axanthic? There isnt a definition of ghost anywhere, it all comes back to whatever we want to call it.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Well, how can a true ghost be a hypo axanthic? There isnt a definition of ghost anywhere, it all comes back to whatever we want to call it.

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Rock on! Exactly :gj:

It just follows the traditional standard.

Some morphs get their names because they look simular to mutations already named from other species of animals. Take the Pied that came from horses, albino is a generally excepted pre-named mutation, Hypo is self explanatory like Axanthic (which you can find in Kings, corns, geckos, and even sand boas).

You know what is funny? :) Piebald, referring to horses, means strictly a horse that is patched, black and white. BPs should have technically been called Skewbald, IMO. This is a horse with white, and any other color patches (brown.. BP-ish..) if they were naming it after horses..
I am not sure about the rest of the animal world. And if, say, dogs that are brown and white, are Pieds in their registries. But I know this about horses!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I think theres one or two running around out there but I could be wrong

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There are no known True Ghosts out there just yet, unless someone hatched one and hid it under a rock. We should see some this year.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

There are no known True Ghosts out there just yet, unless someone hatched one and hid it under a rock. We should see some this year.

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Oooh, I can't wait! :D

Sorry for bringing up an old thread... BUT!!

For those wondering the true definition of ghost: it doesn'y exist till I see pictures!!! please? (axanthic x hypo I mean) lol

Man, I hope the one that produces the first double homo Axanthic Hypo will not be calling it a true ghost. What an ugly sounding name!

They are Hypos guys, burry the Ghost already :D

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We should see some this year.

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I don't know Tim, we've been hearing that for years. I've been wondering if it's even possible, or if it's already been created and didn't look any different then a regular axanthic.

Mark,
My girl doesn't have palpatable follicles yet, but she is nice and plump at about 2400 grams and has been breeding like a rabbit. I have talked to a couple people that have produced clutches, and they claimed to have missed it (and I beleive them). All anyone can say is, I hope it works, but I sure would like to be the one to show off the first one. Trust me, I will definitely be posting pictures of my girl's eggs (if she lays) and the clutch results.

i always thought the desert ghost ball morph was an axanthic x hypo cross but because of this thread i re-read the description of desert ghost and magically the words changed to tell me that the desert ghost morph is actually a simple recessive gene. it does look like a "true ghost" though.

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo.com

Man, I hope the one that produces the first double homo Axanthic Hypo will not be calling it a true ghost. What an ugly sounding name!

They are Hypos guys, burry the Ghost already :D

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I would hope they bury the "ghost" term and use Hypos for Hypos and Ghosts for, well, true ghosts, lol.

I hope they can be made! It would be so sad if they were not... :tears:

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I have talked to a couple people that have produced clutches, and they claimed to have missed it (and I beleive them).

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Thats kind of what I've been wondering about. Maybe they DID hit the odds but they didn't know it because it just didn't look any different then a regular axanthic or a regular hypo. Maybe the axanthic gene covers up the hypo gene or the other way around or something like that? These two mutations have been around for such a long time that it just seems odd to me that someone hasn't hit on it already.

Mark

There is also the possibility that the two mutations are linked by being genes that are close together on the same chromosome. In that case the odd number of crossovers between the two genes needed to make a copy of the common chromosome with both mutations might be unlikely. With as many ball python mutations as there are it seems inevitable that we'll run into this eventually trying to combine them even if this doesn't turn out to be an example. Linking could really slow down making a double homozygous animal and make for some odd breeding results once the crossover eventually occurs.

Ok you all are wrong with axanthic and snow
Anerytheristic is the lack of red pigment
Albino is the lack of blue pigment
Axanthic is the lack of yellow pigment so an xanthic has extra yellow pigment
Now a snow is a yellow and white snake, so its an anerytheristic(not axanthic) albino
If it was axanthic albino it would be a red and white snake
There are multiple places you can look this up on also so you are not miss informed

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Originally Posted by d_halloff

Albino is the lack of blue pigment

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You should look into multiple places so that you are not miss informed before misinforming people! :P

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo

You should look into multiple places so that you are not miss informed before misinforming people! :P

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What is an albino then... It is an orange colored snake that varies in contrast from high red to high yellow... No blue

Hi,

Also no green or purple. :rolleyes:

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Albinism: A group of genetic disorders in which there is partial or total lack of the pigment melanin in the eyes, skin, and hair.

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But melanin makes dark pigmentation so it would be truer to say albinos lack black.

Especially as BP's have absolutely no blue pigmentation on them in the first place. :cool:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Also no green or purple. :rolleyes:



But melanin makes dark pigmentation so it would be truer to say albinos lack black.

Especially as BP's have absolutely no blue pigmentation on them in the first place. :cool:


dr del

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This would be a more correct statement i guess

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Originally Posted by d_halloff

There are multiple places you can look this up on also so you are not miss informed

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there a place at the top of the post with a date, so you don't respond to 2 and a half year old threads.

also you should get your facts straight

Scroll down to October :http://exoticsbynature.com/09bpcal.html

So this wouldn't be a true ghost?

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Originally Posted by guambomb832

Scroll down to October :http://exoticsbynature.com/09bpcal.html

So this wouldn't be a true ghost?

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Yes, that is the first True Ghost ever produced. It was hatched in 2009, and this thread was started in 2007. There are now a whopping 2 True Ghosts in the world.