What should I get next?

Well here is what I have:

1.1 cinny
1.0 pastel
1.1 het pied
0.1 normal

What could I add to this group to really add some excitement? Mojave? Yellowbelly? Ghost? I have no clue....I would like to stay under $2k. Give me some suggestions telling me what I could produce with the snakes above with the snake you would suggest. :) Thanks guys!
-Josh

Personally i'd go with either a spider or albino :gj:

buy whatever your heart leads you to.
Good luck. :gj:

Oooh... what about a pair of yellow bellies, or a pair of mojaves?

Here are my thoughts on this: the super form of the yellow belly or mojave is a totally white snake. The super form of a cinny is a totally black/brown snake. So, what if you make some yellow belly cinnies? Or some mojave cinnies? And breed them together? I wonder what a totally white and totally black snake make when mixed together... a dairy cow? :D

But I agree with the above... if you see something you gotta have, get it! :gj:

A spider of course ;)!
Option A: Pair the spider with the cinnamon and have a chance at a CinnaBee
Option B: Pair the spider with the Pastel --- BumbleBee
Option C: Pair your cinnamon with the pastel (results in a pewter pastel), then pair the pewter pastel with the spider --- PewterBee.

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Originally Posted by SoundUnsleep

A spider of course ;)!
Option A: Pair the spider with the cinnamon and have a chance at a CinnaBee
Option B: Pair the spider with the Pastel --- BumbleBee
Option C: Pair your cinnamon with the pastel (results in a pewter pastel), then pair the pewter pastel with the spider --- PewterBee.

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wow you really thought about it

dude i dont a herp but i do alot of studieing and bumble bee is awesome.but dude its your choice.(please vote in my really random poll):sweeet:

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Well here is what I have:

1.1 cinny
1.0 pastel
1.1 het pied
0.1 normal

What could I add to this group to really add some excitement? Mojave? Yellowbelly? Ghost? I have no clue....I would like to stay under $2k. Give me some suggestions telling me what I could produce with the snakes above with the snake you would suggest. :) Thanks guys!
-Josh

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for 2k if you buy the following as one group then you probably can get a group deal for

0.2 Spider
0.1 cinny
0.1 Pastel
0.1 lesser

then you breed
cinny x spider, Pastel, cinny
pastel x spider, lesser, cinny

if you're lucky then you could get cinnabee, super cinnamon, bee, lesser pastel, pewter from these 2 breeding groups. I love combo morph lol

Hey guys these are great suggestions! Keep them coming, I am gettin great ideas! Totally been overlooking the spiders.... :D Keep the ideas coming...

Hmm... for 2k you might could get a pair of albinos and a spider if you could find someone to cut you a deal, or at the very least an albino, a het albino, and a spider. I love the combos you can get working with the albinos, so that would be what I would go for.

.... Or a butter..... For some reason, I LOVE the butters.

Pastel Orange Ghost and a couple of het OG's or maybe even a Pastel Het Pied male and a het pied female.

Great projects for under or right at 2k.

OG= orange Ghose correct? What could I do with either 1.0, 0.1, or 1.1 orange ghost down the road with what I have?
-Josh

what would cinny x ghost give me? Cinny het ghost? Anything from that combination?

more het pied females? :)

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what would cinny x ghost give me? Cinny het ghost? Anything from that combination?

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They would be Cinny het Ghost.

Breed the filial generation together to make Cinny Ghosts and Super Cinny Ghosts.



But in my opinion, you should breed for what you LIKE. Do some internet research, check out what is out there that already has been done, OR!!! Do something no one has done before and see what happens!!!

The doors are open, just pick one :)

Has anyone done the hypo super cinny or hypo cinny? Would you just end up with a brown snake with a hypo super cinny?
-Josh

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Has anyone done the hypo super cinny or hypo cinny? Would you just end up with a brown snake with a hypo super cinny?
-Josh

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Hypo cinny has been done by Greg Graziani...and I'm sure he'll be working on the hypo super cinny in the future.

It definitely wasn't what I expected the snake to look like, I wasn't impressed too much when I saw it in person, hopefully like most hypos it gets better with age.

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/gall...1184718458.jpg
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/gall...1185735829.jpg

With what you currently have, I'd add about 5 or 6 more normal girls, a couple of boaphile ballroom racks, a lesser and still have change left over. Maybe add a yellowbelly in there as well, they're really cheap right now and easily worth the prices that are currently being asked.

Now see I like the hypo cinny....I have always been confused with the yb, if I got a yb, do I get male, or female? and what would it help me produce? And what would a lesser help me produce? Cant I produce a lesser now with what I have?
-Josh

I would say yellow belly and spider. I love the bees and a yellowbelly pastel breeding makes some awesome snakes. I just picked up my male YB for a super good price so we will see what it makes next year. From what i understand you can use them in all kinds of combos.

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Now see I like the hypo cinny....I have always been confused with the yb, if I got a yb, do I get male, or female? and what would it help me produce? And what would a lesser help me produce? Cant I produce a lesser now with what I have?
-Josh

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Lessers are actually lesser platinums... produced from the original platty daddy owned by Ralph Davis. You cannot produce them with what you have.

Breed two lessers together and you get an all white snake with blue eyes: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...d=71&Itemid=63

Breed two yellow bellies together and you get an all white snake called an ivory (has an ivory-ish stripe down it's back with a gray head): http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...d=47&Itemid=63

If you breed a yellow belly to a cinny, you will get normals, yellow bellies, cinnies, and possibly a cinnamon yellow belly. Same goes for breeding a lesser to a cinny...

Just as an example...

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Breed two lessers together and you get an all white snake with blue eyes: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...d=71&Itemid=63

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Out of curiosity, is that the only combo that makes lucys? I seem to recall reading that there were others, but I could totally be mistaken.

I am pretty sure the blue eyed lucy is the super form you can get from breeding two mojaves, two butters, or two lessers. I think the super form of the fire is a white snake with black eyes called a black eyed lucy. Someone with more experience correct me if I am wrong or if I missed any combos.

Lesser's rock you can't go wrong with yellowbelly's either, but if I were you I'd take a good look at a lesser.:2cent: Albino's are great also:D

Hey thanks to everyone for the ideas, I still dont know what I want haha... oh choices choices :)

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I am pretty sure the blue eyed lucy is the super form you can get from breeding two mojaves, two butters, or two lessers. I think the super form of the fire is a white snake with black eyes called a black eyed lucy. Someone with more experience correct me if I am wrong or if I missed any combos.

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Blue Eyed Leucys can be made with a Combination of Mojave/Lesser/Butter. All can be combined together to make a BEL.

As for the Black Eyed Leucy, the super Fire makes it, but it has yellow splotches on it in various areas. The eyes are Black with Red Pupils.

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Blue Eyed Leucys can be made with a Combination of Mojave/Lesser/Butter. All can be combined together to make a BEL.

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Yup, what Heather said. Also within this same complex are the Vin Russo Het white diamonds (I think he calls them Lemon balls), the mochas and the phantoms and probably some others that I don't know about. I believe that these are all alleles of the same genetic mutation and when combined with each other will produce a blue eyed white snake of varying degrees of brightness. The phantoms don't produce a white snake by themselves, but do so when combined with a lesser. I think that the phantoms are at the darkest end of the platinum complex brightness scale and the lesser platinum is at the lightest end of the scale. The others are somewhere in between those two extremes.

All of them have made some very nice combination snakes when combined with other mutations like pastel or spider.

Mark

spider

Thanks MarkS, LadyOhh, and PythonChick!

Wow, I had no idea so many morphs could make BELs. That's really cool to know - not that I plan on breeding. However, since I have a Mojave its nice to know what he might be capable of! :gj:

When breed "Het Russo" together then you also have 25% chance to get BEL as well.
Same thing with "Mocha", its super form is "Latte" which is another BEL.
So what make BEL are Lesser, Butter, Mojave, Het Russo, Mocha. However, each morph produce different % white BEL though.

Imo, it seems easy to get BEL, however they're still expensive. I think I'll wait lol

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Yup, what Heather said. Also within this same complex are the Vin Russo Het white diamonds (I think he calls them Lemon balls), the mochas and the phantoms and probably some others that I don't know about. I believe that these are all alleles of the same genetic mutation and when combined with each other will produce a blue eyed white snake of varying degrees of brightness. The phantoms don't produce a white snake by themselves, but do so when combined with a lesser. I think that the phantoms are at the darkest end of the platinum complex brightness scale and the lesser platinum is at the lightest end of the scale. The others are somewhere in between those two extremes.

All of them have made some very nice combination snakes when combined with other mutations like pastel or spider.

Mark

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D'OH!
you beat me to it...by 24 hours lol
sorry

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So what make BEL are Lesser, Butter, Mojave, Het Russo, Mocha. However, each morph produce different % white BEL though.

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Thanks for that info, but I'm not sure what you meant by "each morph produces different % white BEL." Did you mean that the % chance for getting a BEL in the clutch is lower with some combos, and higher with others? Or did you mean that the whiteness (darker to lighter) of the BEL can be different given the parent morphs? Or something else I'm not thinking of?

Thanks!

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Or did you mean that the whiteness (darker to lighter) of the BEL can be different given the parent morphs?

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Thats the one. Phantom to Phantom creates a light brownish purple snake, not white but not normal color either. Phantom to Lesser Platty creates a White snake with some pattern and purple and yellow highlights. Mojave to Mojave also creates a white snake with purple and yellow highlights. Mojave to het russo creates the same with a little less highlights, mojave to lesser has even less highlights, lesser to lesser seems to create the whitest look with the fewest highlights and pattern.

Mark

Wow. On top of the thanks for that detailed information, I have to wonder how many clutches of eggs and how many snakes went in to figuring all that out...! :P

i say u get a bunch of large normals females, just cuz u can never have enough of those.

other than that with your collection one might get a bunch of female pastels.
and maybe a visual recessive....ur choice ^.^