A good trade?

How would you feel about trading 3.0 lower-quality Graziani Pastels for 0.1 breedable female? I would be on the receiving end of the female. She is owned by a friend of ours, and they have had her for awhile; and the pastels would luckily sell for maybe $75 apiece of I got lucky; they are not as flashy as the one I held back or the other one I sold to a forum member here :) So would you do this? I know that the female would need to be quarantined regardless of how healthy she is with her now-owners.. this is no problem and I am not just out to quickly breed another female.

Well, it's a female you can breed to create something new for you. I'd do it myself.

It's one way to move three males and gain something that adds another dimension to your future breeding plans.

agreed. $225 for a breedable female is about average, and you get to relieve yourself of 3 male pastels that it would suck to end up with b/c they are only going to brown out and look worse and be harder to sell.

Sounds good I'd do it.:gj:

If you need another girl then, for you, it's a good deal. It really depends on what your personal plans and goals are. A number of years ago I made a trade for 2 large normal females with 1 adult normal male, $100.00 and a hatchling male pastel. Then, it was a good deal for me, today I wouldn't make the same trade even though pastels are worth a lot less then they were back then. The reason being that I already have plenty of normal females to use in my plans.

Mark

Thanks for the replies. I would like to add 1-2 more big girls to my collection for breeding. I really can't afford to get into hets or codoms at the moment; and I am pretty much done producing pastels. I am keeping my male pastel for future bees and maybe more combos later on down the road if I get a pinner. I put alot of time into him to get him big and I think that breeding last year might have set him back in the growth department, so he gets this year off.. and I really do not need anymore pastels other than my holdback female '07. I definately plan on keeping a female spider this year; out of 3 females with my male, I sure hope I get at least one!
I might go off the wall and trade for something completely new and different though, like a Blood or a JCP.. I really did not want to keep the babies over the winter, but then again was not going to just give them away, you know?
As far as the pastels go; the males are nothing to scream about. My holdback female, and the male that I sold to Ladydragon, are the real screamers of the clutches. The female Pas I am trading is nice too but she adds clout to the trade.. I am still debating on keeping her if he does not have much to offer, but we'll see.

I agree with Mark, it's really up to you if it's a good deal. If you're having trouble moving out the pastels and have been looking for another breedable female, then it's a no-brainer. But if you don't mind holding onto them longer and don't really need another female, then maybe not. It's really about whether or not you think it's a good deal.

You could make Bees this year, even after a quarantine period. I would.

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Originally Posted by Petboy15

3 male pastels that it would suck to end up with b/c they are only going to brown out and look worse and be harder to sell.

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I dont think male pastels are all that bad. IF you know what to look for in a pastel hatchling then you would be able to choose one that will end up looking great. Another thing, you need male pastels to produce super pastels, or any other projects involving the pastel gene. You make them sound like they should be thrown in the garbage:confused:

She is saying the males have very little value since she HAS a breeding male pastel.
Not that they are worthless.
I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Breeding size female pastels are worth their weight in.. well, not gold, but high quality chocolate! To me at least.
Wolfy

I understand, making the trade is one thing, i would do it too. But im just saying that pastel males are still awesome snakes.

Pastel males are awesome, nobody's saying they aren't...just that if they're B grade and babies, and you have an adult, A grade male already, why would you want the babies when you can get breedable adult females instead? Supply and demand, really. She has a large supply of them (relatively speaking) and thus a low 'demand'---she doesn't really want them at the moment. Not that the pastel boys aren't valuable.

Personally, in her situation, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

And besides, this way someone who really WANTS those pastel males will get them. It'll be a good situation for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Seneschal

Pastel males are awesome, nobody's saying they aren't...just that if they're B grade and babies, and you have an adult, A grade male already, why would you want the babies when you can get breedable adult females instead? Supply and demand, really. She has a large supply of them (relatively speaking) and thus a low 'demand'---she doesn't really want them at the moment. Not that the pastel boys aren't valuable.

Personally, in her situation, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

And besides, this way someone who really WANTS those pastel males will get them. It'll be a good situation for everyone.

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No one is understanding me. I would make the same trade but im just saying pastel males arent garbage.

BUt none of us were saying that pastel males WERE garbage.
We just want to be sure you understand that you are implying that WE think pastel males are garbage.
A compared value that shows most of us value a adult female pastel over baby male pastels in no way means we don't value pastel males at all.
I have a pastel male, and those three pastel males will be highly valued by those that want them.

Wolfy-hound, I don't think it's a female pastel, just a normal female. If it was a breeding female pastel - she'd be easily worth over $1k; no where near 3 male pastels.

Sorry, you are correct. It's a normal female, not a pastel.
It's still a breeding animal.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

BUt none of us were saying that pastel males WERE garbage.
We just want to be sure you understand that you are implying that WE think pastel males are garbage.
A compared value that shows most of us value a adult female pastel over baby male pastels in no way means we don't value pastel males at all.
I have a pastel male, and those three pastel males will be highly valued by those that want them.

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Petboy 15 said they were pretty much useless when they get older, i just didnt agree. I dont want to start an arguement or anything so that was just my :2cent:

Well, the trade went great. Both parties went away happier than they were before, which is a great thing.
I do not think of the pastel males as garbage! If I did, I know a few on KS that would have paid me rock-bottom wholesale prices for them; that was not for me. Instead, I found a great couple who is starting out breeding BPs (A+J Exotics; they're near Buffalo, NY.) Traded my '07's and an '06 male for some cash and a big striped normal male. I know that at first I wanted a female, but this male just slithered into my heart, and if he never proves genetic I don't give a poop :) That is what it should all be about; the joy of snake keeping. I held back a female pastel and a female normal and definately feel that this breeding season benefitted me in more ways than one!

On a side note; I read the pieces regarding pastel males. To generalize and say that all pastels will brown-out with age and become useless is not fair to the morph. Think of all of the combos that pastels are used in; think of all of the entry-level morph-wanters that don't have a huge budget. Now if they read about pastels basically turning to poop as they get older, what way is that to promote what is an awesome base morph in itself?! Sure, some lines of pastels tend to retain more yellow; and there are always individuals in every line that could be said to have more yellow or more brown.. But I know for sure that I am never letting go of my pastel male, nor my female, as long as I am able to keep these snakes as pets and breeders.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

On a side note; I read the pieces regarding pastel males. To generalize and say that all pastels will brown-out with age and become useless is not fair to the morph. Think of all of the combos that pastels are used in; think of all of the entry-level morph-wanters that don't have a huge budget. Now if they read about pastels basically turning to poop as they get older, what way is that to promote what is an awesome base morph in itself?! Sure, some lines of pastels tend to retain more yellow; and there are always individuals in every line that could be said to have more yellow or more brown.. But I know for sure that I am never letting go of my pastel male, nor my female, as long as I am able to keep these snakes as pets and breeders.

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Thank you. Thats what i was trying to say:gj:. Sorry i have to spread some rep around so i can hook you up.

I Think its a great idea get new genes in there

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Originally Posted by juddb

Petboy 15 said they were pretty much useless when they get older, i just didnt agree. I dont want to start an arguement or anything so that was just my :2cent:

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Well that isn't what he said... he said they are hard to sell when the brown out. That's true.

There's no question Pastels are awesome mutations, given they are used in SO many well sought-after combos. Furthermore, even really browned out pastels can make some amazing babies... without the Pastel we have no Bees, SPOGS, Pastel Clowns and the list goes on.

I'm still stunned people are selling these animals for the price of a retail normal. At the end of the day, if I have to pick between selling a Pastel for $100 or building another rack, I choose the latter ;).

But back on topic, sounds like you both got a good deal on the trade Jen. If two people can walk away from a trade happy, it was a very good trade indeed ;).