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Heh, I just know how everyone loves these polls. :P I am curious what everyone thinks should be the next move for my collection. I currently have a male pastel, a male spider, and 4 normal girls. What's next?!?!

Ideas I am pondering:

- A mating pair of 100% het Orange ghosts
- A mating pair of 100% het Pieds
- Female Pastel
- Female Mojave
- Female Cinnamon
- Male Pinstripe

What is the next step? :confused:

I'd personally go with the het pieds.

pinstripes their the new spider. :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

pinstripes their the new spider. :D

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Lemon blasts are pretty sweet, I agree. :D The pastel male and 2 of the normal girls are adults and will be breeding this winter. Hopefully i get some nice pastel girls to hold back from those clutches. You never really can have too many pastel females can you? lol That is also sort of influencing the direction i take with my next purchase, as i want something that is compatible with the Pastel morph. Pinstripes definitely fit in this category.

At this point though, i am kind of torn. Do i stay the course and keep using my base group of pastels to work with and add to that, or do i branch out and start another project on the go? Ack ... so many choices! :confused:

Robin

I would go with the het pieds!!!! But then again i wouldnt go buying animals based on what everyone else wants.... So what do you want to see pipping out of some eggs that you produced.....

Well pastel anything is going to be cool. I really like Pewters also so Cinni is a good choice. But you really need to look at the Pastel het red Axanthic. they are hotTTTTT

Pastel het red on the right beside a Het Red on the Left

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Well pastel anything is going to be cool. I really like Pewters also so Cinni is a good choice. But you really need to look at the Pastel het red Axanthic. they are hotTTTTT

Pastel het red on the right beside a Het Red on the Left

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Yea, i saw a pic of one. A silver and black snake would be really cool. So far i am leaning towards the Orange ghosts, as i love the look of Hypo Pastels and Honey bees.

Robin

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Originally Posted by juddb

I would go with the het pieds!!!! But then again i wouldnt go buying animals based on what everyone else wants.... So what do you want to see pipping out of some eggs that you produced.....

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I am not basing my purchase on what other people want, i just like the input of people that have been where i am now. I am just curious what routes some of you took is all. I want to produce cool snakes, cuz i want to own cool snakes ... lol. Also, it is much easier to spend a fraction on a pastel and spider and take the time to make a bumblebee, rather than shelling out $4000 to a top breeder for one.

I am getting into breeding for the enjoyment, not the money. If i make some money back to support a hobby i love, then bonus.

Robin

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

Lemon blasts are pretty sweet, I agree. :D The pastel male and 2 of the normal girls are adults and will be breeding this winter. Hopefully i get some nice pastel girls to hold back from those clutches. You never really can have too many pastel females can you? lol
Robin

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Exactly :) That is why I was not too upset when my buyer for one of them backed out.. darn.. "stuck" with another female Pastel.. not so bad :)

I would go for a Pinstripe.. if you've already got a base of females, why not get one of those (an '07) and breed with him next year? Since you want to make some Pastels this year..

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

I am getting into breeding for the enjoyment, not the money. If i make some money back to support a hobby i love, then bonus.

Robin

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That is just how people should look at breeding. Even if prices drop on a certain morph (take Pastels) they are still a sound investment. Like my male; I paid $400 from a good breeder (Snakekeeper) and now after plugging him into 2 girls, have 8 more Pastels.
One thing to take note of.. marketing and selling will be your best friends once you successfully breed, if you plan on selling. There is not a magic trick that can instantly turn your snakes into cash :) You're going to have to invest money into promoting and selling your animals; just a little aspect of it that I think many people don't take into account (I really didn't, but you learn!) Be prepared to keep your offspring as long as you have to.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

I am not basing my purchase on what other people want, i just like the input of people that have been where i am now. I am just curious what routes some of you took is all. I want to produce cool snakes, cuz i want to own cool snakes ... lol. Also, it is much easier to spend a fraction on a pastel and spider and take the time to make a bumblebee, rather than shelling out $4000 to a top breeder for one.

I am getting into breeding for the enjoyment, not the money. If i make some money back to support a hobby i love, then bonus.

Robin

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Ok well then here is the route I took. in 06 I picked up an 05 het pied male, an 06 spider male, 06 pastel male, 06 pastel female, 05 genetic banded female, 06 female Mojave, 5 1600 gram normal females. This year I picked up an 06 female het pied.
This year I am breeding spider and pastels. Holding back 2 female pastels and one female spider if I can

Next year I am picking up an 07 Axanthic male, 07 Hypo male, 07 hypo female, 07 male YB, 07 Female YB, 07 male Pinstripe, 07 Male Cinni
I am going to be breeding for Bees/blast and Mojave Pastels and if my Het pieds are up to snuff I'll plug them in. Might even see about getting a breeder female spider for a honeybee project or a Spinner.


:D

**puts on his black ski mask and leather gloves** where do you live again? ;)

I personally would say go with the cinny or the het pieds, but that's personal preferance. Or get both, as cinny pieds make me drool :)

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Ok well then here is the route I took. in 06 I picked up an 05 het pied male, an 06 spider male, 06 pastel male, 06 pastel female, 05 genetic banded female, 06 female Mojave, 5 1600 gram normal females. This year I picked up an 06 female het pied.
This year I am breeding spider and pastels. Holding back 2 female pastels and one female spider if I can

Next year I am picking up an 07 Axanthic male, 07 Hypo male, 07 hypo female, 07 male YB, 07 Female YB, 07 male Pinstripe, 07 Male Cinni
I am going to be breeding for Bees/blast and Mojave Pastels and if my Het pieds are up to snuff I'll plug them in. Might even see about getting a breeder female spider for a honeybee project or a Spinner.


:D

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Originally Posted by Holbeird

**puts on his black ski mask and leather gloves** where do you live again? ;)

I personally would say go with the cinny or the het pieds, but that's personal preferance. Or get both, as cinny pieds make me drool :)

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Man I am itty bitty micro small time maybe 1/4 a step over hobbiest. I am doing it the poor mans way. Plus I jsut love the combos. If I ever produce a bee that bugger is going in a display case in the snake room not in a rack.

Well that's the point duh! You hit someone 1/4th over hobbyist, they're less likely to have MAJOR security you'd find at the big places ;)

Besides, have you seen some of the things they keep at nerd!?!? I'm not walking around there in the dark!

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

That is just how people should look at breeding. Even if prices drop on a certain morph (take Pastels) they are still a sound investment. Like my male; I paid $400 from a good breeder (Snakekeeper) and now after plugging him into 2 girls, have 8 more Pastels.
One thing to take note of.. marketing and selling will be your best friends once you successfully breed, if you plan on selling. There is not a magic trick that can instantly turn your snakes into cash :) You're going to have to invest money into promoting and selling your animals; just a little aspect of it that I think many people don't take into account (I really didn't, but you learn!) Be prepared to keep your offspring as long as you have to.

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That is one thing that should not be a problem really. My gf does marketing and graphic design. Heh, she is already itching to get the website up and has the rough design done already. Her best friend makes websites for a living and we are getting the "friend" rate on that too. :D

As for other aspects, i am helping out a vendor at a reptile expo in a couple weeks who also is in charge of the expo. That should be a good learning experience. I also have made a few contacts with local breeders and fellow herp lovers, and those will also grow over the years.

At this point really, it will be a good season or 2 before i have anything significant to offer morph wise. Selling the normals and few male pastels will not be to hard between kingsnake, reptilescanada, and local online classifieds.

PS - I am a carpenter and i got baby racks and adult racks in the works. I figure it costs whether i build them huge or small, so might as well build some giant racks! I have no problem with a house full of snakes! :D

Robin

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Originally Posted by Holbeird

Well that's the point duh! You hit someone 1/4th over hobbyist, they're less likely to have MAJOR security you'd find at the big places ;)

Besides, have you seen some of the things they keep at nerd!?!? I'm not walking around there in the dark!

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http://www.wildmorphs.com/uploads/SM...ng-Posters.jpg

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Originally Posted by Holbeird

**puts on his black ski mask and leather gloves** where do you live again? ;)

I personally would say go with the cinny or the het pieds, but that's personal preferance. Or get both, as cinny pieds make me drool :)

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OoOoOo .. Or the super cinny pied ... the salt & pepper ball! :D Whatever isn't white, turns out black. I have yet to see a pic of one though.

Eventually i want to make them all!

Robin

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Exactly :) That is why I was not too upset when my buyer for one of them backed out.. darn.. "stuck" with another female Pastel.. not so bad :)

I would go for a Pinstripe.. if you've already got a base of females, why not get one of those (an '07) and breed with him next year? Since you want to make some Pastels this year..

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Well, here is my line of thinking that is pushing me towards something longer term like a female or a pair of hets. My spider male should be ready to breed next year, to go along with my current pastel male. With only having 2 breeding age females ready at that time, i won't need 3 breeder males just yet.

Robin

Hey Robin, I would recommend you go for recessives, once they breed and produce visuals, you will then be able to trade for any and all dom/co-dom animals down the line.

Pieds for one will always be in demand and can be crossed with almost everything for cool combo projects. I would however be cautious with buying proven adults, why would anybody sell a good breeder female :cool: I prefer growing up my own :)

All in all, you need to visualize what projects you want to work with in the future.

Good luck

Marc

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Originally Posted by RegiusCo.com

Hey Robin, I would recommend you go for recessives, once they breed and produce visuals, you will then be able to trade for any and all dom/co-dom animals down the line.

Pieds for one will always be in demand and can be crossed with almost everything for cool combo projects. I would however be cautious with buying proven adults, why would anybody sell a good breeder female :cool: I prefer growing up my own :)

All in all, you need to visualize what projects you want to work with in the future.

Good luck

Marc

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I totally understand what you are saying Marc, and it gets pretty jumbled when you start thinking of 5 year breeding plans ... lol.

The next purchase would be an 07 snake. As for the 3 current adults i recently purchased. The breeder i got him off got shipped to Inuvik for work and needed to downsize his collection. They are awesome people and have great reputations locally among breeders here as well. I am not too worried, but thanks for the heads up anyways, i get the point you are making.

Haha, too bad you are out of lil pastel girls for the year. That partially helps the selection process. :P So far i am leaning towards the pair of het ghosts, though pieds would also be awesome. Like many hobbyist level breeders, cost is a factor and a reality.

Robin

Haha, my GF over msn says mark her down for a pinstripe vote.

Robin

Can't go wrong with Pieds. :)

Honeybees. :D

You mentioned that you'd like het pieds but they're too expensive...why not pick up a 100% het pied male and 3-4 66-50% het females? Those are only a little more expensive than normals, and if you get them from someone who definitely is trustworthy then in a few years you'll be able to prove them out and have a bigger chance at hitting a pied; and at the VERY least you'll have breeding size adult female possible hets and 50% poss het babies. You might not prove them out the first time but... *shrug* Just a thought.

Easy...Pieds
-Josh :rockon:

ok so i picked without seeing what you have....

haha

after seeing your male morphs, id say get a female or two thatll go along with your spider and pastel... seeing as how spiders and pastels are already right around 200 and 500...

i think that bumblebees are gorgeous!! get a female pastel...

or a spinner!! get a female pinny!

I voted for the pair of het. pieds.


I absolutely adore pieds! :D :blowkiss: :love:

Pin female, everyone needs a few of these in their racks...

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/TnT_420/pin.jpg

Why do you want a male Pin, anyways? Seems like you have enough males...

I'd breed the Pastel and Spider to a Pin female and hope for Lemon Blasts and Spinners (Thats if I were in your position..I know all my Pin females will be bred to a Pastel Lesser)

I would definitely go with the breeder size het pieds if you get them from someone reputable. I don't think you can go wrong with them. Even with all the crazy crosses out now Pieds are still one of the best looking BP's on the planet IMO. I also think pieds are probably one of the easiest snakes to sell when it comes time that you would like to sell a few.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

pinstripes their the new spider. :D

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never spiders still make nicer combos

as long as spiders make these,



http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...&cat=33&page=1


they'll be a demand!



vaughn

We have discussed it and decided we really do want a pinstripe male. The amount of females will also be addressed in what will be a large purchase. In all, we will be looking to get a male pinstripe, a female lesser, a female orange ghost, and a female axanthic. Those, in addition to the spider and pastel male we currently have, will give us a nice spectrum of morphs to work with for a while.

I think then between those 3 females and any future female pastels we hold back plus our 4 normal females, we should have a nice selection of females for the 3 males.

The pieds will have to wait until next time. ;)

Robin