Twin Genetic Stripes!

I had a clutch of 6 eggs from Genetic Stripe to Genetic Stripe. I have always loved Genetic Stripes so instead of going for a cross I decided to breed the two together. I was very happy when I saw two G Stripes sticking their heads out of the same egg. I know I should have gotten a picture but I was tired. Anyway here is a picture of the twin boys! I hope that you enjoy them.

Thanks
Brock

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...3/IMG_0045.JPG

Oh my, soooo cute! congrats! :carrot:
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so adorable! i luv stripes!

holy crap. nice snakes!

GORGEOUS!!! Sorry you didn't get the pic of them coming out together. That is sooo cool! How rare are twins in the BP bred-captive world?

Very nice, two for the price of one! I like it!

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Originally Posted by MelissaFlipski

How rare are twins in the BP bred-captive world?

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Ya gonna answer the lady's question Brock? Oh, I forgot. You said people here ask simple questions that aren't worth your time.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Ya gonna answer the lady's question Brock? Oh, I forgot. You said people here ask simple questions that aren't worth your time.

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well, is SOMEONE gonna answer it for the poor girl? i would if i knew.... lol

Daniel do you want this thread to go to quarantine also. You guys kill me.

I don't know how rare they are but I have hatched twins every year for the last three years. I have talked to many other breeders that have hatched them so I don't think that they are that rare. They are awesome though. They came out small but I got two meals in each one which makes me feel better about them. I didn't weigh them but they were small.

Thanks
Brock

Glad to see you answered the lady's question. That is called 'participation'. Participation is what earns respect on forums like this one.

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

Daniel do you want this thread to go to quarantine also. You guys kill me.

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Well......you guys kill me. Guys like Brock Wagner, Ed Clark and Jon Dvoretz that only come to this site for self promotion.

At least Ed answered husbandry questions and Jon contributes his 'guides' every now and then.....what do you bring to the table other than a few photos Brock?

Great looking stripes BTW!

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Ya gonna answer the lady's question Brock? Oh, I forgot. You said people here ask simple questions that aren't worth your time.

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Was that necessary?

DANIEL


I guess I am hear for nothing more than self promotion! I don't have to guess what crowd you socialize in around here. You can attack me all you want. I have made many friends on here and have many supporters that see through people like yours motives. For all the hating just remember you are not going to get rid of me. And another thing if you think that you hurt my sales one bit by the attacks you don't. I honestly post the pictures here because it is easy to do all I have to do is upload them into my gallery.

What have you done in the business Daniel? I ask you that. I really don't care but you attacked me so please show us your cool morphs and hey how many Daniel customers do you have? I take care of my customers Daniel and I help them out whenever I can. I know that you don't want to hear that but it is the truth.

Flame on little Daniel flame on!

Brock

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

Was that necessary?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Yes

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I doubt it. You shouldn't be baiting him... just leave it as it is... no need to start a fight.

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How rare are twins in the BP bred-captive world?

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Not common, but certainly not that rare either. Most snake twins I suspect do not come from an embyo that splits, but are actually two embyos shelled inside the same egg. The problem with twins is that the snakes usually come out very small. One time I had a clutch of 5 eggs where three of the eggs contained twins. Two of the eggs never hatched but died full term. I discovered that both eggs contained two babies each when I cut them open. The third set of twins did hatch, but the babies were both around 20 grams each and one of them did not thrive. I suspect that this was a case of two embyos inside one egg since I had one of each sex. It's possible that Brocks babies are a case where the embyo split since both babies are the same mutation and are both boys.

Mark

Gentlemen - enough! Take it to PM or start a thread in QT.

nice g-stripes! :snake:



vaughn

I will stop Robin. Thanks for the comment Vaughn. Do you like the G Stripes are do you like the super stripe better?


Personally I can't wait for the Lesser G Stripe to come about I think that it is going to rock!

Done for tonight I will see what I wake up to in the morning.
Brock

i like the caramel g-stripe!


lesser stripe will be hot!

superstripe or g-stripe is still in the air with me...

i have a hard time waiting for hets to grow up, double hets will really test me!


vaughn

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

I don't have to guess what crowd you socialize in around here.

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Guess? Ball pythons aren't my crowd anymore so why would I really socialize with a specific crowd? You need to get your facts straight. This site is still a great place though, so I help out with monitor lizard questions when they come up. Again, it is called participation that is what being a part of a community is all about.

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

You can attack me all you want. I have made many friends on here and have many supporters that see through people like yours motives. For all the hating just remember you are not going to get rid of me. And another thing if you think that you hurt my sales one bit by the attacks you don't. I honestly post the pictures here because it is easy to do all I have to do is upload them into my gallery.

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You misunderstand. I am not attacking you. I just disagree with what you do. Don't take everything so personally. I am glad you have made friends here. But I could care less about your sales....what do your sales have to do with me anyway? I think I understand you though.....You post pictures because they are easy....you don't answer simple questions.....that is just the kinda guy you are.

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

What have you done in the business Daniel? I ask you that. I really don't care but you attacked me so please show us your cool morphs and hey how many Daniel customers do you have? I take care of my customers Daniel and I help them out whenever I can. I know that you don't want to hear that but it is the truth.

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What have I done in this business? nothing. I care nothing about this 'business'. I keep one male normal ball python and it is cool enough for me. I have several friends.....customers?...ha ha....you have to want to make money to have customers....

Now lets ask a real question. What have I done in this hobby? A little, but I am still working on that. I work with animals that few people have time, money or patience to work with. Austrailian dwarf monitors that were forgotten by keepers everyone wanted to focus on 'cool morphs'. Animals that can no longer be imported in mass quantity. Animals that will go 'extinct' in captive collections if a few keepers do not devote themselves to working with them. That is what I do Brock. So what do you do besides 'cool morphs'?

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

Flame on little Daniel flame on!

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Watched the new Fantastic 4 movie didn't ya?

I am done. Great looking animals Brock. I wish you the best of luck with them.

Ok, I am saying this from my point of view and then I am done on this topic. Daniel, most anyone who is here on a frequent basis know that there are several people who only contribute pictures. This is why people like Adam & Cue are so highly thought of and appreciated. I for one enjoy the pictures, no matter who they come from. That said, I am much more apt to buy from someone who is an active member than someone who just comes in around breeding season.

One of the things I love about this place is there is not so much negativity as there is in other places (Fauna). I just hope it stays that way.

good looking stripes Brock.. how many were in the clutch?

I finished up with 7. I am very excited. I got 5.2 perfect stripes.

Thanks
Brock

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Yes

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Real mature.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

i have a hard time waiting for hets to grow up, double hets will really test me!

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Ahhh, 20 years from now you'll be on here complaining that you are still waiting for your G-stripe Caramel Woma Lesser Ghost to lay eggs ;).

As for the original post, totally awesome when twins pop out.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not common, but certainly not that rare either.

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See now that's really interesting. Hopefully some other breeders will comment as well, as I had assumed twins were extremely rare. Not that I'll complain if they aren't :D.

this arguing does not really add anything to the community at all.. infact it deters people that need some answers. you cant really go around talking about people not answering questions since when one is asked not every user on BP.net responds to it. i have noticed that when people give opinnions they get grilled hard about the way they do things and that shouldnt be going on. there is no clear cut way of keeping ball pythons unless you wanna cut out a hunk of africa and toss it in the back yard... people come to forums to get a multitude of ways to do something and no one should get attacked or critisized based on what they claim works for them. clearly you guys rub each other the wrong way so just put each other on ignore and go about what you two do wether its posting pictures or helping out on the monitors forum. the mods need to get on this quick because its making these forums look like any other forum where they all turn to :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:fests and peeing contests....

“Why can’t we all just get along?”
-Rodney King


Ray

Man Brock you are on fire man (no pun intented). How amazing is that, twin G-stripes. Keep doing what your doing buddy.

OK - last warning - EVERYONE - comment on the pictures if you like, but take the other conversations to PM or start a thread in QT to ask your most pressing questions.

I think Brock should have to answer for what he is inferring. Apparently anyone that disagrees with him or questions him in any way is with aligned with someone or doing it because they wear a certain kind of t-shirt. I don't understand where all the animosity comes from.

Nice stripes though!

What were their weights? Twins are always so tiny.

Are twins genetic? Do they always come one female year after year? Or is it just a once in a life chance?

Genetic Stripes are on my list of must have.
Trey

those guys are so cute!

one of my favorite morphs.......................so silky smooth looking! nice job! whats your plans with them?

Twin g-stripes are a pretty awesome thing!

Beautiful twin g-stripes Brock!

kick azz stripes. and how many more clutches do you have in the oven for 07

brock you should start another lav alb thread i tried to show it to my wife when she got home but it was gone

Beautiful twins. I love genetic stripes and it is definatly on my wishlist. I am also interested in their weights as I have heard that twins tend to be small. I was reading someone's breeding season results and one of their twins was VERY tiny. Hopefully yours will put on some weight and grow to be kick a** adults.

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Originally Posted by mxrider42

Are twins genetic? Do they always come one female year after year? Or is it just a once in a life chance?

Genetic Stripes are on my list of must have.
Trey

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Thats a really good question. In my limited experience I'd venture to guess YES but in which way it's inherited I don't know. Maybe RR has some input on that?

I think Mark was right on money with most if not nearly all NOT being a single embryo that spits. I say that because I've yet to see identical twins. I hatched on a pair this year and they were they same sex but not identical.

Another question I'd like to ask to someone with some genetic skillz is. If someone does in fact produce identical twins and there from a clutch of Heterozygous by normal breeding, are the twins genetically identical? If one proves to be heterozygous will the other sib prove to be as well?

Sorry just thinking aloud. Nice stripes by the way

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

Another question I'd like to ask to someone with some genetic skillz is. If someone does in fact produce identical twins and there from a clutch of Heterozygous by normal breeding, are the twins genetically identical? If one proves to be heterozygous will the other sib prove to be as well?

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great ?

Very nice G-Stripes! You need to rub some of that luck off on me man! :8:

I didn't weigh the G Stripes but I would guess that they were around 40 grams each when they hatched. They have had some meals so I will weigh them today and see what they are at. That is cool Larry that yours were the same sex also. To answer your question what I am going to do with them I am not sure quite yet. I have always loved the G Stripes. Hatching them was a awesome experience!


Brock Wagner

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

brock you should start another lav alb thread i tried to show it to my wife when she got home but it was gone

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No need to, it's still there, you just missed it somehow. :cool: :

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=54118

I meant it both times I said it last night - any more comments meant to provoke each other IN THIS THREAD and I will lock this thread down. Don't test me!

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Another question I'd like to ask to someone with some genetic skillz is. If someone does in fact produce identical twins and there from a clutch of Heterozygous by normal breeding, are the twins genetically identical? If one proves to be heterozygous will the other sib prove to be as well?

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Good question. I think that in the case of an embryo splitting, since they wouldn't be changing their chromosomes, they would both be the same sex, have the same genetic makeup ie: both would either be het for the same traits, or show the same mutations etc... However, they may not be 'identical' in looks. Color and pattern aren't developed in the babies until the last few weeks of incubation which would be long after the split took place. It would be similar to the way that human identical twins don't have the same fingerprints.

I've heard that one way you might be able to tell if the twinning was the result of an embryo splitting would be to check to see if they're sharing the same yolk sac before they emerge all the way from the egg.

Mark

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Good question. I think that in the case of an embryo splitting, since they wouldn't be changing their chromosomes, they would both be the same sex, have the same genetic makeup ie: both would either be het for the same traits, or show the same mutations etc... However, they may not be 'identical' in looks. Color and pattern aren't developed in the babies until the last few weeks of incubation which would be long after the split took place. It would be similar to the way that human identical twins don't have the same fingerprints.

I've heard that one way you might be able to tell if the twinning was the result of an embryo splitting would be to check to see if they're sharing the same yolk sac before they emerge all the way from the egg.

Mark

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Mark, very well put.

rep point to you sir!

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Just a follow up. All these twins that have been popping up (mine including) could in fact be identical because theres really no true way to tell if their both of the same sex, because patterns and colors will be developed after the split.

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Mark, very well put.

rep point to you sir!

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I thank you very kindly sir... Makes me wonder though how many positive rep points have been given out in this thread so far? I'm sure there has been a few of the other variety..... ;););)

Incredible pair of twins.... congrats!


:)

That's it - this thread is now locked. Since some folks feel the need to continue to get in their digs after 3 warnings, the show is now over.