What do yalls think...?

Hey all, I picked this guy up a few months ago with no background history...anything special? Possible cinny? ....Picture below is him with one of my normal females.
Cheers!
-Joshua :rockon:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...e100407003.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...yalsday036.jpg

Nice snakes! ...breed them and find out!:)

Looks like a normal to me but I could be wrong... Congrats on the addition.

Here are a couple more pics, some days I think he is a cinny, some days I dont....ya breeding him I suppose is the only way to find out.
-Joshua
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...e100407005.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...e100407004.jpg

looks almost like a granite...
but im not sure lol

hes very nice though =]

nice looking pair! should make some hot babies.




vaughn

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Originally Posted by ChicaPiton519

looks almost like a granite...
but im not sure lol

hes very nice though =]

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Ha, another one of my buddies said the SAME EXACT THING...ya he just has an odd pattern... I was really hoping he would be a cinny, but who knows now...
-Josh :rockon:

I wish i could see the pictuers :mad:

my guess is "not normal" lol

good luck with him!

I like! He reminds me of a female I'm hoping to breed this winter. She doesn't have quite his wide pattern or as much granite speckling but if I could get a good dorsal pic the color is similar and she has the blushing. Does yours have a white belly?

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...T_blush_sm.jpg

I def dont think he is a normal.

He has a very nice look to him. He looks like a really good project animal.

Mark

Here's a good link:
http://www.johnberryreptiles.com/ballpython_c.htm
might help...

Here is crummy photo of his belly, but you get the idea...
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../101807002.jpg
-Josh

He's nice.

Gotta love the dinkers!

Maybe a black pastel???

I got a chance to see this animal in person, and I was quite impressed. It looks really nice. If I had to pick a morph, I'd agree with cinnamon, but you might get lucky and it'll turn out to be something completely new. In any case, put me down for a baby.

Mark

:D Sure thing Mark!
I am sure you will be one of the first to see them as I will probably be asking you a lot of questions during the whole process :P
-Josh

He's a dinker for sure, gotta love the dinker! :)

Haha Dinker? Havent heard that yet what do ya mean by dinker? :P
-Josh :)

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Haha Dinker? Havent heard that yet what do ya mean by dinker? :P
-Josh :)

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Basically a project. Trying to prove out unproven genetics.

Mine has a wider white belly but I like the dorsal pattern better on yours. I'm hoping to arrange a breeding loan of mine to a Mojave this winter. I was thinking breeding to a yellow belly but I recently saw a specter and have a little better idea on those and she doesn't even seem close. I’m still plenty confused on what the specter looks like but I just know she isn’t it.

Yours has the color, rounded alien heads, and fading that could put it in the white snake family. Being a male is both good and bad. If it is something new you can reproduce it quicker but it might be hard to dedicate an adult mojave female to an unproven male that could turn out to be a very neat normal (but I doubt it).

Get him bred and let us know what comes out!

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Haha Dinker? Havent heard that yet what do ya mean by dinker?

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It's a Ralphism... Thats what he calls odd balls and other special projects that he's just 'dinking around with'

Mark

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Yours has the color, rounded alien heads, and fading that could put it in the white snake family. Being a male is both good and bad. If it is something new you can reproduce it quicker but it might be hard to dedicate an adult mojave female to an unproven male that could turn out to be a very neat normal (but I doubt it).

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This is real interesting, are you saying that crossing something like this male to a mojave could produce a leucy? I understand the mojaveXmojave, but have there been black pastel looking animals crossed with mojaves to get 'white snakes'? I was going to cross him with a cinny to see if I could get a super cinny from him, which would also tell me he is a black pastel/cinny...but I am thinking now I should invest in a mojave....this could get interesting....I think I just have explored this term they call 'dinker' :D
-Josh

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

This is real interesting, are you saying that crossing something like this male to a mojave could produce a leucy?
-Josh

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Or something even Better! I like him, I dont see him being either a cinny or a black pastel though. Good luck and keep us all posted!!

did you buy him as a normal?
who did you get him from?
and if you bought him as a normal is there another one of him?

I bought him as a possible cinny/granite at a normals price :D And no there werent anymore like him :(
-Josh

I've not seen a ton of white snake makers and have seen even fewer cinnies so take my advice with a grain of salt and maybe show him in person to someone who has both. But to me he looks more like a white snake maker than a cinnamon.

But it would be hard to breed him to an adult female Mojave when there are any number of reasonably priced males (like another mojave) you could breed her to and have a sure thing. Maybe breed him to normals first and see if he even produced more like himself. To me that's the bad thing about cheap morphs; less incentive to prove new ones, particularly with males.

The proven cinnamons have been crossed with mojave and lesser and not produced anything unexpected, right?

Here is a pic of the belly on my similar looking girl:

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...y_sm_thumb.jpg

Looks very similar to a girl that was sold to me as a normal as well, but also resembles a granite/cinnamon.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...na/Athena2.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...na/Athena3.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...na/athena4.jpg

Robin

So what are "white snake" markers? Could someone explain this more to me? Has anyone had a similar snake when bred to something else produce a white snake?
-Josh

White snake maker is mojo x mojo, lesser x lesser, fire x fire and if im correct any combo of these? I have a questionable male who I wont have the chance to breed until next yr as all my females are 06's/07's that looks similar to yours. Not as dark but the pattern is very similar.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...mble_thumb.jpg

Many people on here believe this guy has some relation to a cinny or a mojo... not too sure which one it is but itll be fun proving him out.

So what chracteristics do you look for in the pattern to make one think it may be a key in producing white snakes? Ha did that make sense?
-Josh

Things I've noticed that you tend to see to some degree or another in the various hets for the lesser compatible white snake complex (yellow belly and fire aren't compatible) include:

A tendency of the light areas on the side to be pinched off at the bottom by expanding dark areas to form light circles. Maybe not completely closed off but more rounded than normal. Where those dark areas expand on the lower side you see the flames. You may also see fading in the center of the dark areas, especially on the side. You also have a tendency to have a single large or perhaps no alien eyes in the side pattern. They also have a tendency toward white bellies and broad rich dark dorsal pattern elements.

A guy near me proved another white snake maker this year. Frankly I didn't think she had the characteristics strong enough to be likely to prove but she did.

Hey Randy that is a great explination! Thanks, so what do you think about my snake? :)
-Josh

I really like him and I'm going to try to breed my somewhat similar female to a mojave. Definitely breed him. It's just that because he is a male, I don't know if I'd have the guts to risk wasting a very valuable breedable known het white snake female on him. With mine being a female she would be just one extra mate for a proven male, but with your scenario you would need to dedicate a years breeding for a female proven white snake het and that is worth thousands of dollars. But if you have the money to gamble go for it, if not, maybe breed him to a normal the first year and see if you get more babies like him (bet you do) to get more confidence for a better pairing the next year. You could also perhaps get some daughters to start growing up to see if he has a unique homozygous version (assuming he is genetic and a dominant type het, neither known for sure now).