shakey spiders...

ok so i might have read something about some spiders being very "shakey" and i was wondering if anybody has ever experienced this.

i recently purchased a spider morph from a breeder at a recent past expo and it is pretty shakey. when i asked the breeder(who will remain unnamed) about this he explained a bit about shakeyness being normal in spiders and i have nothing to worry about.

so has anyone here experienced this at all? is this a true thing and should i be worried? any advice for me?

please comment!

thanks in advance!

julez

My girl doesn't appear to do it...but sometimes she does stuff that my other one doesnt...and to me it just adds personality.

Spiders have the tendancy to wobble, shake or even spin around when excited.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Spiders have the tendancy to wobble, shake or even spin around when excited.

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Me too!

Lol! :D

mine does it

Wow this is for real? Are they more friendly too? I'm getting a spider on a payment plan from Adam Wysocki at 8ballpythons and this just made me even more anxious to get my hands on one of these beautiful morphs.

It is for real.

Some of mine do it, some of mine don't as much.

But it is for real. :cool:

With responsible breeding, hopefully it can be bred out ... unless it is tied directly to the spider gene. I guess only time will tell.

Robin

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Originally Posted by chz

Wow this is for real? Are they more friendly too? I'm getting a spider on a payment plan from Adam Wysocki at 8ballpythons and this just made me even more anxious to get my hands on one of these beautiful morphs.

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When i picked up my Spider BP, i was allowed to pick from the whole clutch. A lot of those guys were very snappy i noticed ... oh well, at least it means no problems with fussy eaters ... lol.

Robin

There is alot about it on this forum if you do a search. I dont have a link to any of them but theres tons of info on spinning and the shakes. I read alot about it and seen a few really bad cases of spinning. Thats what made me change my mind on a spider. Dont get me wrong their killer. Everything there crossed with is killer. I just didnt want to end up with a bunch of babies that were all messed up. That i couldnt get rid of. I ended up getting a female mojave instead of the spider female i had picked out.Nobody knows what really causes it. Some that do it have stopped. Some that didnt do it have started. Messed up ones can have fine babies. Good ones can have messed up babies. I was reading somewhere RDR and Nerd both said they dont have one spider that isnt messed up in someway.Im not saying anything bad about either of them. Both are great guys. I was talking to the guy i got my mojave from. He said none of his spin. Some of the babies shake but not that bad. After a few weeks cant even notice it.

my spider spins like crazy at night... but only at night...

and my bee only spins when you hold her... she enjoys beign upside down...

but i think it is cool as hell... gives them a personality.... and a spinning spider is cute IMO because they look.... confused

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

With responsible breeding, hopefully it can be bred out ... unless it is tied directly to the spider gene. I guess only time will tell.

Robin

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This problem with the spiders will never be bred out. If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced. It is something that is tied to the spider gene.

All spiders do it. Some to a lesser degree than others.
You should have been told about this by the breeder before you bought it.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

This problem with the spiders will never be bred out. If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced. It is something that is tied to the spider gene.

All spiders do it. Some to a lesser degree than others.
You should have been told about this by the breeder before you bought it.

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I am aware, that is why i said unless it was tied to the gene. However, some exhibit this trait much more than others. My Spider is pretty chill for the most part, but like others have said, that doesn't mean it's offspring won't have this problem.

As far as saying it is proven to be fact, that is debateable. Considering they have only been bred artificially for what ... 7-8 seasons now? That is much too small of a sample size to definitively say.

Robin

My spider boy does it but i think he is just trying to show off!!! :carrot:

Yea my girl spins too but its chilled out now that shes in her new enclosure... I think shes just doing her best to attrack spiderman :)

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

As far as saying it is proven to be fact, that is debateable. Considering they have only been bred artificially for what ... 7-8 seasons now? That is much too small of a sample size to definitively say.

Robin

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There are thousands of spiders out there now. How many need to be produced before considering it a large sample size? Every one I have ever seen has been at least a little off and I have probably looked at about a hundred of them back when I was considering getting a few. If NERD, RDR, and Adam say they all do it to some degree I will believe them.

I have a female who is a normal and is slightly tweaked, but then I'm also buying two Spiders :) Just means more interesting little boogers to observe and watch grow up.

My little guy has a bit of the shakiness, but he doesn't spin or react abnormally when his head is touched. I know when this came up on Fauna a number of people said they had spiders with no wobble (one provided a vid to prove it). Whether or not it can be bred out still remains to be seen. My understanding is that the original spider had this trait, which is what makes it so difficult.
If we can't get rid of it entirely, we might be able to minimize it through selective breeding, so that's where I'm going personally.

I also don't think it's automatically a major issue, because in all but a few cases, it isn't severe enough to impair the snake from feeding and breeding. I figure they're sort of like fainting goats and waltzing mice. If it proves impossible to breed out, I still like spiders.

Mice take dance lessons? Now that must be a sight, hehe.

But seriously, what do waltzing mice look like? Drunkards?

Nah, they just walk in circles all the time.

Oh ok, like mice that have ear infections and equilibrium problems. Poor things! I'll stick with my long-haireds, frizzies, and brindle mice. Walking in straight lines are important! :)

They're a genetic strain of mice that always exhibit this behavior:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...745422,00.html

http://sminthophile.blogspot.com/200...ning-mice.html

I know, I'm familiar with the different strains of lab mice, just not that one.

Have had a few rats that were influence by the Zucker gene. It's.. interesting, to say the least. Imagine Pearl from Blade(the grossly obese vampire) as a rat.. Yep!

my spider doesnt do any of that, but I heard spiders can develope a tick or twitch sometimes

well i wasnt aware of this behaviour when i purchased her. i checked her out and she was in shed so she was a little shy and i even checked her out at a previous show a couple months before and she looked fine and didnt shake. i wasnt told that she was "shakey" before the purchase but when i notified the breeder he said it was nothing to worry about. she hasnt ate for me yet and it has been three weeks now.


so i hope its nothing to worry about. i feel a little better after hearing all these responses. now hopefully i just get her to eat for me!

thanks guys!

Thats actually kinda cool...
makes me want a spider even more just to see it in person!

My little spider proved slightly stubborn over his first meal with me, too. He finally settled on a live rat pup scented with live mouse. lol

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Originally Posted by MPenn

If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced.

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I'd assert that you are correct because it doesn't appear in other morphs/normals that are produced from spiders. If it started appearing in other morphs/normals then we'd all have a huge problem. That'd mean it was a flaw in the genetics of the original spider lines, separate from the spider gene itself, that propagated through the captive bred population. It would have the potential to eventually effect all captive bred ball pythons. One thing would be certain: it would be very difficult to breed out unless all breeders agreed to end all current lines and start from scratch with WC.

Either way, people who are super eager to breed their snakes should be responsible and only breed them if they're healthy and physiologically normal. Otherwise somewhere down the road people might not be able to get a healthy ball python, similar to what has happened with some breeds of dog.

Luckily this specific trait seems to be benign.

When I read stuff like this it scares the :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: out of me.

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Originally Posted by jwarriner

I'd assert that you are correct because it doesn't appear in other morphs/normals that are produced from spiders. If it started appearing in other morphs/normals then we'd all have a huge problem.

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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...7&page=3&pp=10
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