britney spears... such a shame

i've heard so much on tv about britney spears at the mva... so i wanted to check it out to see if it was as bad as i was hearing it was. oh man, it was soooo much worse. how could she go on stage and be this pathetic? how could anyone let her go out there, with greasy hair and... is she coming down from something?

i'm not a britney fan, but my kids have been at times so i've seen and heard quite a bit of her over the years... makes me sad to see a train wreck like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxW3DYmSyGs

worst than a train wreck........a train wreck you actually look at even though you know its bad............i couldn't get get through 10secs of that crap!

Man.. I kinda feel bad for her, but then again she put herself into the situation that she's in. Just by looking at her face you could tell that she really didn't want to be there, and did not put any effort into that performance at all.

It surprises any of us that yet another child star is going wrong?

She is a huge disappointment. She was rich and successful. Think of the thing you wan most in life but can't afford.. she could buy multiples of it. Pathetic that people do not grow to heir potential and remain successful.. what a waste!

Some of them do Jen but it's often usually the other way with people that become so successful at a very young age. I'm no fan of hers but I often wonder when I look at these folks that were making some major cash as children, just how much childhood they really had. When you become your family's largest source of income, when how you look is that important, when you basically become a product more than a child/very young adult....how does that warp a personality? How does that affect a family dynamic? It's within our families that we learn social norms, expectations of behaviour and so forth. How does that get skewed when you bring home the pay check at age 11? Who tells you "no"? Some of these star parents make my skin crawl and I wonder just how well these kids are being raised in the limelight. It's no wonder so many of them end up a mess as adults.

Just to add a little to what Jo said...

I'm NOT a beautiful young lady that made a fortune on the stage...but...

Two years ago, I was a successful Database Administrator making a decent salary. I developed migraines, went on disability, lost my job, my truck, and have nearly lost my house. I'm now a successful Dairy Manager in a local grocery store, earning about 1/4 of my previous salary. My migraines have subsided (just have occasional symptoms, but no full blown migraines in quite a while) but my cognitive abilities have been severely compromised. I can no longer concentrate at the level required for the type of work that I did before. So I know that I can't return to my good paying and rewarding career. I'm not saying that this is comparable to what happened to Britney, or any other child star... just throwing the possibility out there.

Steve

The best part is that it sounds like everyone is cheering their lungs out, but when the camera pans the audience, people are barely clapping! LMAO!

Poor thing.

Her hair looks a mess because her hairdresser left before doing her hair. One report says she fired him, he says he quit...so...?
She tried to put her hair extensions in herself, and wasn't very successful.

The best thing to come out of this is Leave Britney Alone and all the various reply videos. Don't click, kiddies and worker bees, bad language! However, I'm now a Chris Crocker addict. I think I spent an hour watching his Youtubes last night. :laughing:

Wow. Yet more proof that one cannot truly ever buy happiness. I would not be famous for all of the money in the world.

omg! i watched the VMAs just so that i could see her much anticipated performance. i've never been a fan of hers but one thing i couldn't deny is that she could put on a hell of a performance... even if it wasn't to my taste... but this... right away she stumbled twice. horrible lip synching, zombie walk, blank face as if she was trying to figure out what the next move was supposed to be again... seriously the worst performance i've seen in my life!

and there were so many excuses from her and her 'people!' her boot heel was broken. she was upset about sarah silverman's upcoming speech. she was thrown off because they didn't allow the criss angel collaboration. (sp) she had been sick all week. she was stressed from the custody battle... i'm sure there are more that i haven't heard yet.

i just have to say that when you are a performer, by choice mind you, there's nobody to blame but yourself for a bad performance. so many excuses... if she wasn't ready for her comeback, she should've waited. it's that simple.

I actually heard that they had a completely different dance routine planned out that involved Criss Angel doing illusionary stuff, but that the week before the VMAs, execs decided that it would be too complicated, so they changed her routine the week before the show. I think it's pretty obvious she didn't know the steps to the dance...and I think I'd be pretty unenthusiastic of some higher-up did a switch on me a week before my big "comeback".

I more feel sorry for her because every media outlet has trashed her performance (it did suck)--but more because they trashed her weight. Good grief! She's had two kids and she isn't fat by anyone but Hollywood's standards.

Anyway...I feel bad for the girl.

Then again, Criss Angel said she only showed up for two rehearsals.

I agree, she didn't look fat to me, but I don't see her as a victim in any of this.

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Originally Posted by reediculous

worst than a train wreck........a train wreck you actually look at even though you know its bad............i couldn't get get through 10secs of that crap!

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I totaly agree! Sad fact is though people wonder where the kids now days get the dress like TRASH look :mad: ,its the "stars" :taz: :banned1: :banned1: :banned1: .

I never had any use for her music personally. The American music scene in general is pathetic nowadays. Granted, much of the world lives by American acts.. but I am turning more toward my old favorites nowadays in favor of the crapola that hits the "top ten" in this country. With a few rare exceptions of course.. but even those are just mostly rehashing the greats of yester-year.. sigh.

it doesn't matter WHAT her excuse(s) are... bottom line... she's a performer and if she had to work on her routine for 10 hours to get it right before the show... she should have done that. period.

no excuse excuses her performance.

I agree she's not fat, thick...is more accurate, at least she used to be hot.

pretty much everybody has a little jiggle in their belly... me included... the difference is, i don't flash it around! in front of an audience of millions!

in a bra and panties!

Class, brains, a sense of self, a respect for your talent and your audience....those things all went by the wayside a long, long time ago when it comes to a lot of the current stars. I feel old just saying this stuff, but it's to my mind very true. There's very few famous people I would want any of my children to consider a role model be that in the entertainment or sports fields.

I don't see why people in the entertainment or sports industries should be role models, anyway.

I don't either Sarah but let's be honest, they are. The kids look up to them and the media supports that. There used to be a time that some of these famous folks at least tried to appear publically in some sort of decent role. Now it's far better to be a public mess and a media darling. Makes the role of parent that much more difficult trying to counter what our kids see constantly with these trainwreck people all over every available type of media.

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I don't see why people in the entertainment or sports industries should be role models, anyway.

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Why not they show our kids how to do drugs and dress like trash then say its not my fault :mad:.They also show you that money can buy you out of anything murder and DUI included :mad: :taz: .Just incase someone wonders yes i am being a smarty pants here as far as the "stars" are concerned :P .

I do know what you are saying, I don't agree, though. My own daughter was the age of most Britney fans when she got famous, and Courtney never once looked up to Brit as a role model. It's my job to instill values in my children, not a pop singer's. I don't think Britney ever made my job harder, giving birth did that, lol.

Oh and don't forgot Joe...if we do something wrong or illegal, we get dragged before a judge...they get to run off to some nice little private rehab clinic and maybe someday face the music...though a nice group of high priced lawyers tends to mitigate that issue quite nicely for them. Justice may be blind, but it seems she sure as heck can be bought. :(

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Oh and don't forgot Joe...if we do something wrong or illegal, we get dragged before a judge...they get to run off to some nice little private rehab clinic and maybe someday face the music...though a nice group of high priced lawyers tends to mitigate that issue quite nicely for them. Justice may be blind, but it seems she sure as heck can be bought. :(

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You are so correct.Now we have this peice of trash "i got away with murder" now i am robbing people in the news :mad: :mad: .I say the **** with them all!:banned1: :banned1: :banned1:

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I do know what you are saying, I don't agree, though. My own daughter was the age of most Britney fans when she got famous, and Courtney never once looked up to Brit as a role model. It's my job to instill values in my children, not a pop singer's. I don't think Britney ever made my job harder, giving birth did that, lol.

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Oh heck Sarah, giving birth was easy...the teen years...now that's PAIN! LOL

I completely agree that it's a parent's primary job to instill those values and sadly a lot of parents just don't bother any more. I guess my point is that it's just yet another struggle to balance the crap they see and hear. Society has become such a consumer of garbage that it's getting increasinly more difficult on parents. When it's all said and done, we are still the best role models for our kids even if we do wear "the totally WRONG clothes" and listen to "that AWFUL old music" (please insert appropriate teenage grimaces and eye rolling here). :)

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I completely agree that it's a parent's primary job to instill those values and sadly a lot of parents just don't bother any more. ... Society has become such a consumer of garbage that it's getting increasinly more difficult on parents.

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I think the problem lies in the fact that we no longer have any desire to grow up and be adults. I've seen a number of recent studies that show Americans, on the whole, are maturing much later in life (if ever). Where our grandparents and great-grandparents were firmly ensconced in thier adulthood by the time they were 20, it's normal to see people well into their 30's (and sometimes 40's) still acting as if they were teenagers.

By refusing to grow up (while still having kids), it's not a suprising turn of events when we, as a society, are not only apathetic about our children dressing and acting like whores, but actually start to encourage it.

LOL I swear, there are days I'm not sure I'm going to make it through these teen years.

What really cracks me up is when a current band remakes an 80's song, and my teen just *loves* it. Telling her it's a remake of MY music is just one of those sweet moments I have to tuck away to savor the next time I get the "oh please, what do YOU know" look!

what about tiger woods? i'd say he's definitely an example of what talent, hard work and dedication does for you. ;)

it's not really a matter of 'making them a role model'... it's simply a reality whether we like it or not. ever since the first 'star' appeared, women have gone to the hairdressers to get their cut and colour, men buy their suits, teenagers listen to their music/watch their movie and daydream about being them or being with them... as parents we don't 'make' them a role model... the limelight does it automatically.

too bad society doesn't toss those bad apples into the compost and look for the good ones... it seems the bad ones get more adoration and attention from the fans and media than the well behaved ones.

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as parents we don't 'make' them a role model... the limelight does it automatically.

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As parents, we're supposed to be the role models, although many parents today have relenquished that duty. If the position is filled, all the media exposure in the world won't be able to turn a media icon into a role model.

i disagree. i am a role model for my kids. i homeschool them, i'm with them all the time... being an example of what a strong, independent woman 'can' be. i work hard at learning new things all the time and sharing those things with them. i self taught myself to create my magazine... which has been online for 5 years now. i meditate with them, teach them our spiritual beliefs and listen to them... lots of listening to them.

i have a great open loving communication-filled relationship with them throughout their growing years...

i was there... being a hands-on parent... but she still watched movies and listened to music. our no makeup - no sexy clothes till she was 16, always knowing where she was, who she was with and where they were going... very hands on parenting didn't stop her from (and wasn't intended) having her own dreams, fantasies and role models outside of the home.

she totally looked up to my soul-brother... who was not nec. the best role model but i wasn't about to lock her into her room till she was 19. :P

in the end... my 21 year old daughter looks more like paris hilton than me. even though i did my very best for 18 years... she's left the nest, decided she doesn't really like me anymore and seldom speaks to me. :rainon:

could i have done anything different or better? not that i can think of, i really did do my best...

was i a bad role model for her? not in my opinion... but everyone who touches her life, whether in the physical or simply through the media has the potential to become a role model in her eyes.

bottom line: parents may want/feel/desire to control their lives but they can't control their children's thoughts.

Sarah, how do you think I felt when That 70's Show came out! Here are my kids laughing at the hair do's and the clothes and I'm sitting there thinking..."good gawd I dated Hyde!" :eek:

LOL Jo, I can't imagine how that felt. I love That 70's Show, that whole group could have been my older siblings and their friends.

This is very true, Aleesha. We can set a great role model for our children but their thoughts are their personal thoughts that may or may not be shared with us and ultimately they will decided who they wish to be like. In life we learn more lessons from mistakes than by accomplishments. And it is difficult as a parent to watch our children make mistakes and to be influenced by negative outside forces. I myself was a rowdy young man in my day but by the time the dust settled and i was in my 30's, the values my mother showed me came shining through and all the other influences of the week fell by the wayside.

If you give you children the proper values they may stumble and may fall but after they learn the hard way(and we all do at some point) they will eventually realize my parents just wanted to help me not control me. That is one of the biggest battles we face as parents is kids ignore us because they feel controled, not cared for and yearn for independence and as Frank said doing it my way.

As far as Brttany I wish I was as fat as her LOL. Her performance was bad and dress inappropiate but the rap culture is what really concerns me. It promotes gang violence, crime, treating women like Ho's and pimping them out and killing cops etc....

This is far worse than being a seductress which has been going on since the dawn of time. not that i feel it's right, but the other is down right terrifiing and a much more negative influence on society and our children.

Excellent post Raul! I wasn't Miss Perfect growing up either, I know I gave my poor grandparents sixty fits on occasion. I do remember, however, the day after I became a parent when suddenly their voices came out my mouth! I about fell over when I realized I was saying things to my kids that they had said to me and I finally understood the wisdom and love behind those words.

One of the greatest gifts my oldest gave me was about a year or so ago when she was 18 and out on her own. She called me late one night (I nearly had a heart attack figuring it was something bad when the phone rang at 2 a.m.). She was up talking with some other girls her age and wanted to call and say thanks mom...thanks for being there...for being sometimes tough on me....for loving me when I wasn't very loving back....for standing by me whatever I did even if you thought it was dumb, dangerous or just a phase.

Let me tell you folks there's nothing in life Kate could ever give me that matters more than that one phone call in the middle of the night. Being a parent is sometimes so terrifying, so full of worry and fear for the kids and their future and did you raise them right or screw it all up. I'll still worry and second guess myself I guess, but I'll always hold that middle of the night phone call close to my heart. :)

that is beautiful jo... thanks for sharing it with us :hug:

Great post, Raul!

Of course parents aren't the only role models or influences for their children. And I see nothing wrong with looking like Paris Hilton, but I would seriously question the sensibility of a child who chooses to ACT like her.

Than again, the only thing I saw wrong with Brit's costume choice was the fact that it didn't compliment her body.

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that is beautiful jo... thanks for sharing it with us :hug:

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You're welcom hon, I'm feeling a mite mushy today. My first baby will be 20 next month! How in the world did 20 years fly by so quick! I'm not done raising her yet! I'm pretty sure I need to go back and change some stuff LOL (she still does NOT appreciate the fact that I milked a dang goat for her! rotten child! LOL)

There are days I look in the mirror and cannot believe I'll soon have a 20 year old "child". I still feel 20 some days myself, how does this work? :D

i have no idea. mine turns 21 oct 31st and is getting married within a few days afterwards...

and i still feel 30-something!

I may catch some flack for this but I agree with kim.

Now I'm not saying that Brittney doesn't have any blame, but there were somethings beyond her control. If you watch the vma's (i had dvrd it cause I couldn't watch it when it came on) yes it looked like a train wreck. When they said her heel was broken, i went back and re-watched her performance and on her second step you can see the heel snap sideways. That alone could account for her "zombie walk" and the fact that she didn't do much but shuffle around the stage like a George A. Romero reject.

As far as the lip syncing, it was horrrrrrible and completely her fault for not being on time. The only thing I can say about that, is she wasn't the only one with the horrible lip syncing. Chris Brown and Nelly Furtado had some pretty bad lip syncing also.

With her weight, I think she looks very good for a woman who's had two kids. So she's not toothpick thin. She looks healthy, she's just a littler thicker, I do agree though, knowing how hollywood treats so called "fatties" I wouldn't suggest going out there in a bra and panties.

The nappy hair and the Sarah silverman thing: well the nappy hair I didn't really notice so I can't say much there, but I could see how the comment by Sarah Silverman could have bothered her, but I think part of being a professional is putting that outta your mind and going out and doing the job you're getting paid to do.

Just my :2cent:

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in the end... my 21 year old daughter looks more like paris hilton than me. even though i did my very best for 18 years... she's left the nest, decided she doesn't really like me anymore and seldom speaks to me...

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I think our real disagreement lies in the distinction between what constitutes an influence vs. what constitutes a role model. Sure paris may influence the style she wears, and the methods of rebellion she chooses, but she's in her early 20's and paris is an icon for that generation.

What I really think shows someone's role models is the way they approach life, and how they process information. I would be willing to bet that, given your involvement in your daughter's upbringing, your differences will dissipate as she gets older, and the level of your influence becomes apparent.

i am very hopeful that will be the case... cause i miss her like crazy :(

Awww, Aleesha :hug:

Love ya, woman.

thank you sarah :hug:

As a twenty two year old in college, I don't know anyone who honestly admires Paris or Britney. Also, I can't help but feel very, very little sympathy for them; christ, look at how much money they have, it's not like they're really suffering in any meaningful way.

Also, just as a personal rant, anyone complaining about the quality of music today clearly isn't listening to the right stuff. In the 60s and 70s, sure there were great bands, but most of those were underground rather than mainstream. Today, there's the same situation. Bands like The Decemberists, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Arcade Fire, Air, Mos Def, Brazilian Girls, etc., etc. go ignored while Spears is focused upon. In fifty years, there will be a different emphasis on classic rock stations. I mean seriously, who really liked Donovan?

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Sure paris may influence the style she wears, and the methods of rebellion she chooses, but she's in her early 20's and paris is an icon for that generation.

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Ouch... Please don't lump me in with all of those girls that follow that kind of trend and have no personality or style of their own. I just turned 21, and I'm about as far from being a Paris fan as possible. I don't want to offend anyone who is a fan, but I don't agree with the bleached blond straighten hair, and the tiny painted on clothes. I would rather wear what's comfortable and work with what God gave me than cover up everything that makes me unique. I know for my friends and I the whole Paris thing is just another star that has gone wrong.....except for the fact that she hasn't done anything to become a star....at least Brittany had to work for it at first.

I do feel bad for Brittany. I wasn't ever a huge fan, but I did listen to her music when she first came out. I think I'm a lot different than other girls, b/c although I liked her music, I never had any desire to look or act like her. She, like most child stars, has no idea what to do when they are on their own. I feel bad for her, but on the other hand, with her having been a performer for so long, she should have known when she was ready to come back.

On a side note, if I look that good after I have two kids I would be *thrilled* to death!!

The really odd thing is...what is Paris Hilton actually famous for? Well other than being.....ummmm.....famous? :confuzd:

she's famous for... okay i know this one... she's famous for... ummmm.... uhhh.... can i go back to learning football, i think that's an easier one.

pssst Leeshie....I think she's famous for dressing up in short skirts and showing up at parties. Wanna dig through our daughter's closets, wiggle into clothes that show way, waaaaay too much of us and go crash a tupperware party?????


We will be famous....yes we will! :carrot: