30,000 Dollars

what??

30,000 Dollar Snake

idk if that's the right price for that kind of retic, but believe it or not but there are some BP morphs that go for that same amount of money, some even more!!! (crazy i know).

look at the head shot. looks evil! wow.

Heck, that's cheap!!! The piebald retic was $75,000! :D :D

I know it's a BP, but look at this:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...&cat=28&page=1

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You gotta pay big for other people legwork. Since NERD has spent years developing these snakes breeding, and have finally produced something really cool, they put high prices on it. It's worth it to get the right genetics, since to re-produce that particular genetics, you'd have to put in five years minimum, starting from scratch. And with the Golden Child retics, you won't be able to start from scratch. NERD has them.
You should try seeing one of the Golden Child retics in person if you haven't. Pictures don't do them justice at all.

They are worth what someone will pay at the end of the day and I can't imagine people spend that much money on a snake except to breed and earn some back.
Still it is crazy to me!

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Originally Posted by kurgan

They are worth what someone will pay at the end of the day and I can't imagine people spend that much money on a snake except to breed and earn some back.
Still it is crazy to me!

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its the buyers choice at the end......if i had 50,000 dollars laying around who knows what kind of snakes i would have.


and i would have to say if you have 50,000 dollars laying around your not going to spend it all on one snake just to reproduce.......what happens if you open the tub and it's belly up

you have to honestly have love for these animals.......and not just think about money.........

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Originally Posted by reediculous

its the buyers choice at the end......if i had 50,000 dollars laying around who knows what kind of snakes i would have.


and i would have to say if you have 50,000 dollars laying around your not going to spend it all on one snake just to reproduce.......what happens if you open the tub and it's belly up

you have to honestly have love for these animals.......and not just think about money.........

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That's my point really - a snake is only worth that much money if someone will pay that much for it.
There may be rich collectors who will spend that much (a year's salary or more for most people!) just to add a morph to their collection but I suspect that most people who spend the really big bucks are other breeders. It's an investment for them and is not without risk (the 'belly up' although i bet a 50K snake is insured!). I'm sure they do love the animals but the money enters into it too, they've got to pay the bills at the end of the day - for some people that is the day job as well as the hobby.

yeh..not the most expensive snake I've ever seen...heh...

You should also consider that they're building a new site and that the prices reflected there could be a couple years old. Their Lemon Pastel Price is "$3200.00 - $6500.00 Graded", and the date given for their "Available" animals is dated 8/03 and as we all know, Pastel BPs have gone way down in price since '03. So, while they do have many snakes that are big dollars (and worth it, for a unique, living piece of art work--for those who can afford it ;)), the prices currently in their galleries don't necessarily reflect the current market value of a particular snake.

2 albino rainbow boas just went for 100k a piece for the pair he will probably earn 10 times that if he can successfully replicate them on that same note my local breeder a few years back lost 3 adult proven breeder albino balls to respiratory infections that he had just purchased for 12k there is no ins available for snakes that i know of

I don't care.

I think it is quite ridiculous to pay some of these prices. Do these snakes clean dishes and fold clothes?

Anyway, if I bumped into someone paying 30k-100k for a snake I would laugh in there face, collector or not.

Unless they have a plan written out to start breeding. But even that is risky cause how do you know the snake will breed? How do you know the snake will live?

Sorry, but they are my thoughts.

N4s its a gamble go to vegas youll see people drop 10k in 1 game of poker some people just have more to gamble with the past has proven that theres less of a risk with albino snakes than black jack

though i cant remember what the first albino balls went for but i think they were more than 30k i know the albino retics were around 75k these high end snake breeders keep looking for the next one cause we are all buying the offspring

i use to think that way until i bought my mojave and spent close to 10000 or my spider i spent close to 7000 or even my pastel which cost me 2000. so now i look at it as hey if i like it and i have the money why not. it's more for me then anyone else

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Originally Posted by N4S

I don't care.

I think it is quite ridiculous to pay some of these prices. Do these snakes clean dishes and fold clothes?

Anyway, if I bumped into someone paying 30k-100k for a snake I would laugh in there face, collector or not.

Unless they have a plan written out to start breeding. But even that is risky cause how do you know the snake will breed? How do you know the snake will live?

Sorry, but they are my thoughts.

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There are plenty of people in the world who would find it a sinful waste to go out and spend $50 on a dinner out at a restaurant. It's all a matter of perspective.


Personally, I don't have any problems at all with someone selling a snake for $30K or $300K. Nor do I have a problem with anyone spending that much money on them. If you can...more power to ya!!

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and i would have to say if you have 50,000 dollars laying around your not going to spend it all on one snake just to reproduce.......what happens if you open the tub and it's belly up

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This makes it sound like someone who would drop $30K or $50K on a snake would have just ONE snake. Usually, when someone is spending that kind of money on animals, they already have a rather large breeding colony and business established. Yes, it's still a risk because the snake/animal in question may still die or never reproduce or not prove out genetically. But that risk is entirely relative. For me, it would be an unthinkable risk at this time....but I know people who could easily drop that kind of money on a project of that quality. They'd be upset if it didn't work out...but not anywhere close to devestated financially.

some people collect thousand dollar STAMPS....


all mine are worth 41 cents....

would love to see some even more expensive snakes.

if i was loaded id have a hundreds of 10 thousand dollar ball pythons.

LOTTERY LOTTERY LOTTERY

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Originally Posted by chatcher

2 albino rainbow boas just went for 100k a piece for the pair he will probably earn 10 times that if he can successfully replicate them on that same note my local breeder a few years back lost 3 adult proven breeder albino balls to respiratory infections that he had just purchased for 12k there is no ins available for snakes that i know of

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So ........... is it 100K for each animal or for the pair????

Also, something for you guys to realize. Most people are not paying that much cash outright for a snake. Most of these transactions are cash and animals that would equal the monetary value of the snake being sold.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Also, something for you guys to realize. Most people are not paying that much cash outright for a snake. Most of these transactions are cash and animals that would equal the monetary value of the snake being sold.

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That's absolutely correct. Many of the higher priced ball pythons are "purchased" in a trade - cash deal. Not all though . . . I have held many a ball python that was priced and bought with cash that totaled 10s of thousands of $$. Remember, it was only 3 or 4 years ago that blue-eyed lucys were $60,000 - $100,000 and now look at their price - below $10,000 retail.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

So ........... is it 100K for each animal or for the pair????

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sorry per animal he bought a pair no trades on these babies

i have a snake that i am selling for $50,000.

if anyone is interested please pm me.

I love those snakes! I was priveledged enough to hold one in Daytona (thank you Kara), and those snakes are absolutely beyond words. You hold those babies under the light and you see rainbows. The irridescence is absolutely unbelievable.

Like Judy said, people pay thousands of dollars on a car. Why not on such a unique animal that would be a major asset in your breeding stock? Now if I could only get her to make one of those in a smaller size.... :rolleyes: :bow:

OK, I am relatively new to owning a BP and I only have one right now. It's no super special genetic blend, morph, or what ever else they are being called. I have grown to love my BP and would love to get another one in the future. However, I cannot see myself nor could I ever afford to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars just because it has different patterns or different colors in them. Don't get me wrong I think alot of the pics I see are plain awesome in the coloring and the patterns. But I can't see forking over a month, 6 months, or even a years salary for it. Heck I have a hard enough time forking that money over for my house and my car which are neccessities of life. Just my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

But I can't see forking over a month, 6 months, or even a years salary for it. Heck I have a hard enough time forking that money over for my house and my car which are neccessities of life. Just my 2 cents

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Nor should anyone fork over 6 months or a years salary for one, ESPECIALLY if doing so puts them in the poor house so to speak. A month, maybe - with a payment plan.

People who can afford these animals without compromising their other obligations are generally the ones who are.

It all depends on what YOU place value on. I can't see spending $50-$100 on a pair of tennis shoes (which is why I shop at Payless), but I wouldn't blink on spending the same amount on a nice normal ball python. No WAY would I spend $200-$400 at one time on a clothes shopping spree. But give me a gorgeous pastel, and I wouldn't hesitate to spend that money. Doesn't make it wrong that someone else would spend that money on clothes or shoes, it just means that's more important them, whereas a nice addition to my collection is more important to me.

I've met that particular snake. He's rather pretty. Had no idea i was petting 30,000 dollars worth of snake at the time, though.

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Originally Posted by N4S

I don't care.

I think it is quite ridiculous to pay some of these prices. Do these snakes clean dishes and fold clothes?

Anyway, if I bumped into someone paying 30k-100k for a snake I would laugh in there face, collector or not.

Unless they have a plan written out to start breeding. But even that is risky cause how do you know the snake will breed? How do you know the snake will live?

Sorry, but they are my thoughts.

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i think the same thing

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Originally Posted by reediculous

and i would have to say if you have 50,000 dollars laying around your not going to spend it all on one snake just to reproduce.......what happens if you open the tub and it's belly up

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and if the 50K+ snake died, would the breeder/person give you a replacement which would be a "free" 50k+ snake especially if it's a new/hard to find morph? i doubt it.

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Originally Posted by N4S

I don't care.

I think it is quite ridiculous to pay some of these prices. Do these snakes clean dishes and fold clothes?

Anyway, if I bumped into someone paying 30k-100k for a snake I would laugh in there face, collector or not.
Unless they have a plan written out to start breeding. But even that is risky cause how do you know the snake will breed? How do you know the snake will live?

Sorry, but they are my thoughts.

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Not only is that such a great way to make friends, but such a nice way to treat/thank the leaders of the industry. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tigerlily

Not only is that such a great way to make friends, but such a nice way to treat/thank the leaders of the industry. :rolleyes:

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Not olny that but its bacause people pay 30 -100K for a snake that we have the industry. Ask Adam or Tim or Sean or Ralph what they paid for a pastel 5-10 years ago. Now people whine cause some people still ask 250.00 for a male. :eek: Hell 3 years ago pastels were 2000.00 for a male pieds were 8500.00 for a males and axanthics or Spiders for get it your talking major dough

Prime example Mojos last year that 12months - 365 days - 52 weeks a femal would run you 1200-2000.00 now look at them 500 males 600 females.

If I could pay 100K for a new morph would I HELL YEA!!!! Its all in the value you place on the animal pastels are a dime a dozen hence the price. But Phantoms or some of the stuff NERD is holding on to. The possibilities are endless not only from a return on an investment stand point but also for future combos creations and sales.

Breeders/people that can't fathom paying that for an animal don't have the business mind set.

Just my two cents

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Originally Posted by N4S

But even that is risky cause how do you know the snake will breed? How do you know the snake will live?

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You've just outlined the risks that many breeders have taken over the past couple of decades in order to import, establish & produce morphs that are now considered "commonplace" in the hobby, regardless of species. If you knew how much money in the grand scheme of things has been LOST on snakes that were imported & didn't make it for whatever reason, or ended up being a deal gone wrong, or didn't pan out due to a number of factors, well buddy, you'd probably laugh yourself to death. Isn't it great that healthy, captive born & bred animals are now available for folks who do decide that they want to work with investment-quality reptiles?

If you don't want to stick your neck out, that's fine. But don't knock those who do simply because they can & will. We all have different things that we like and dislike, different perspectives & different values to some extent. If we start to belittle each other for those differences instead of learning to respect them, we're undermining what a fantastic hobby this can really be. It's a lot more fun to have a good, earnest debate rather than to "laugh in (someone's) face," and come across sounding like a jerk, whether you intended to or not.

There are a LOT of snakes out there, truly something for everyone. Not to mention lizards, amphibians, you name it. Just the mere fact that we have so many options & so many resources available is worth way more than $30k. Add to that all of the fantastic people that you can get to know in this hobby, and I'd go as far as to say you'd be hard-pressed to put a price on it.

Just my $.02.

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Originally Posted by KLG

You've just outlined the risks that many breeders have taken over the past couple of decades in order to import, establish & produce morphs that are now considered "commonplace" in the hobby, regardless of species. If you knew how much money in the grand scheme of things has been LOST on snakes that were imported & didn't make it for whatever reason, or ended up being a deal gone wrong, or didn't pan out due to a number of factors, well buddy, you'd probably laugh yourself to death. Isn't it great that healthy, captive born & bred animals are now available for folks who do decide that they want to work with investment-quality reptiles?

If you don't want to stick your neck out, that's fine. But don't knock those who do simply because they can & will. We all have different things that we like and dislike, different perspectives & different values to some extent. If we start to belittle each other for those differences instead of learning to respect them, we're undermining what a fantastic hobby this can really be. It's a lot more fun to have a good, earnest debate rather than to "laugh in (someone's) face," and come across sounding like a jerk, whether you intended to or not.

There are a LOT of snakes out there, truly something for everyone. Not to mention lizards, amphibians, you name it. Just the mere fact that we have so many options & so many resources available is worth way more than $30k. Add to that all of the fantastic people that you can get to know in this hobby, and I'd go as far as to say you'd be hard-pressed to put a price on it.

Just my $.02.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to KLG again.

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All I can say is, Kara http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...reTheWoman.gif

Think about it this way, if the snake does reproduce and prove-out, within a couple years there will be DOZENS of them on the market for several thousand a peice. The potential value of such a snake is far greater than $30,000. I personnally do not have the time/place/energy to put into such a project (and these big breeders have several of these projects all going on at once), however I have enormous respect for those that do. Because of their work, they have made it possible for people to own a unique animal that appeals to them more rather than everyone having a "normal" (even though my favorite BP to look at is my own "normal").

i'll admit im willing to pay a couple hundred dollars for a BP morph, but spending several thousand dollars on one snake....maybe,maybe not.

but it's up to the keeper to decide that.

You all have to understand that money is relative based upon someone's salary. People think spending $10,000 on a car is a huge investment, some people see a $100,000 car as a small investment, hell even the $1,000,000 Bugatti Veyron is purchased by people who that million doesn't even dent their wallets.

So when someone goes to buy a $50,000 snake (unless for breeding purposes), it is for exclusivity and I'm sure that money is not that person's primary concern. So if they want something that most people don't have, well there you go, they can purchase it because when someone makes even 6-digit earnings over their life, $50,000 is still not that much.

There are two ways to look at this issue.

1. Would I pay 30K for a snake, be it for breeding or just to have it?

I answer that question with a deffinite no. I personally would never invest that type of money in an animal, I am not comfortable with the risk and I would rather own investments then a snake that can die, not produce or may produce but the market for what it produces will be falling. I have to say if I wanted to spend the money, I do have it so it is not a question for me about ability but about what I would be willing to do with my money. Any of you may have different reasons for a no or a yes answer to this question, it is personal and no one owes anyone an explaination for their answer be it a yes, no or even a may be.

2. Is it acceptable for anyone to pay 30k or more for a snake?

Now everyone is entitled to their opinion but mine is this. If you think it is wrong to spend your own money, the way you want on what you want, you might be happier in say Cuba or some other vestage of Communist Socialism, (I hear Russia is making a real come back). I am glad people are willing to spend the money and do the work with snakes to produce new animals and I like that if I wait say 10 years many 30K animals will be available for say 200 because people that will make the investment and do the work will be successful.

This animal in particular is a Dwarf version of a Retic. That is great as Dwarfs are the future for Burms and Retics in my opinion. Some day Retics and Burms that stay under ten feet will become common, I predict males that stay under 7 will be common and affordable at some point.

This will open up the ability to keep Burms and Retics to the average herper and it will be people that are willing to spend big bucks and work with all these new animals that will make it happen.

I would love a dwarf retic or burm! I personally won't pay 700 bucks for one like you can get some for now. What can I say I cap my personal spend at about 300-400 for something I really want and spend sub 100 on most stuff. Those are my limits though and I have a lot of animals today that were thousands of dollars say 20 years ago and I owe that ability to those willing to do the work and spend the bucks. So to those who are willing and able, I say thank you. To any that bash them I would remind you of a saying,

"first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye" ~ JC and The Chosen Few

Ok off the soap box