Blue Eyed Lucy

I was just wondering how avaible if at all they are. I love the color and would love to have one but last time I checked the prices were really really high.

There is one forsale on fauna right now!:D

What do you consider "really really high"? There are plenty available on KS. If you are on a budget I would suggest picking up a pair of lessers and make your own.

They are for sale on a number of sites, $3K is about the going rate. :)

If you want blue eyed lucy's, get a pair of Mojave's and make your own is the cheaper alternative.....

Just know that a super Mojave is a dirty BEL. Yes, its a whitish snake but its not the pure white BEL that a super Lesser is.

As far as the one on Fauna, its no shock that he locked his ad after calling a Mojave x Lesser the best lucy you can buy.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=103619

I would expect nothing less from Capone..err...Ball Boutique...

So wait, what is a lesser? And what about the mojaves makes a bel dirty? Is it not a true blue eyed lucy if its from two mojaves? I'm so confused.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

So wait, what is a lesser? And what about the mojaves makes a bel dirty? Is it not a true blue eyed lucy if its from two mojaves? I'm so confused.

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Lesser Platinum (sp)

Super Mojo does make a true BEL but unlike the Supper Lesser they do have color to them in places like their head and some patterning can be seen in some.
A supper Lesser is a Pure white snake.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Just know that a super Mojave is a dirty BEL. Yes, its a whitish snake but its not the pure white BEL that a super Lesser is.

As far as the one on Fauna, its no shock that he locked his ad after calling a Mojave x Lesser the best lucy you can buy.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=103619

I would expect nothing less from Capone..err...Ball Boutique...

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He does that alot doesn't he.

here's a link to nerd's page for black eyed lucy's

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...d=72&Itemid=63


here's one to rdr for the blue eyed lesser lucy,
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...y_blue_eye.asp


i haven't found a good pic of the mojave lucy, if anyone can add a mojave lucy pic, that would be great to compare them.



vaughn

there definstely are variations in BEL's but they all rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just keep in mind it's not a true leucistic if it shows any kind of color or pattern. Leucistic is the condition of the inability to hold ANY pigment in the skin. Anything less than a pure white with blue eyes is simply a mostly white snake with blue eyes, not a BEL...

How does the Het Russo stack up to the super lesser and super mojave?

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Originally Posted by CntrlF8

just keep in mind it's not a true leucistic if it shows any kind of color or pattern. Leucistic is the condition of the inability to hold ANY pigment in the skin. Anything less than a pure white with blue eyes is simply a mostly white snake with blue eyes, not a BEL...

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I have to disagree
Here is a good defination of Leucistic.

"Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin.

Leucism is a general term for the phenotype resulting from defects in pigment cell differentiation and/or migration from the neural crest to skin, hair or feathers during development. This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment.

Since all pigment cell-types differentiate from the same multipotent precursor cell-type, leucism can cause the reduction in all types of pigment. This is in contrast to albinism, for which leucism is often mistaken. Albinism results in the reduction of melanin production only, though the melanocyte (or melanophore) is still present. Thus in species that have other pigment cell-types, for example xanthophores, albinos are not entirely white, but instead display a pale yellow colour.

More common than a complete absence of pigment cells is localized or incomplete hypopigmentation, resulting in irregular patches of white on an animal that otherwise has normal colouring and patterning. This partial leucism is known as a "pied" or "piebald" effect; and the ratio of white to normal-coloured skin can vary considerably not only between generations, but between different offspring from the same parents, and even between members of the same litter. This is notable in horses, the urban crow[1] and the ball python[2] but is also found in many other species. In contrast, albinism always affects the entire animal.

A further difference between albinism and leucism is in eye colour. Due to the lack of melanin production in both the retinal pigmented epithelium (RPE) and iris, albinos typically have red eyes due to the underlying blood vessels showing through. In contrast, leucistic animals have normally coloured eyes. This is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism."

Which is why Pieds have normal eyes and Lucys can have black or blue eyes :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I have to disagree
Here is a good defination of Leucistic.

"Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin.

Leucism is a general term for the phenotype resulting from defects in pigment cell differentiation and/or migration from the neural crest to skin, hair or feathers during development. This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment.

Since all pigment cell-types differentiate from the same multipotent precursor cell-type, leucism can cause the reduction in all types of pigment. This is in contrast to albinism, for which leucism is often mistaken. Albinism results in the reduction of melanin production only, though the melanocyte (or melanophore) is still present. Thus in species that have other pigment cell-types, for example xanthophores, albinos are not entirely white, but instead display a pale yellow colour.

More common than a complete absence of pigment cells is localized or incomplete hypopigmentation, resulting in irregular patches of white on an animal that otherwise has normal colouring and patterning. This partial leucism is known as a "pied" or "piebald" effect; and the ratio of white to normal-coloured skin can vary considerably not only between generations, but between different offspring from the same parents, and even between members of the same litter. This is notable in horses, the urban crow[1] and the ball python[2] but is also found in many other species. In contrast, albinism always affects the entire animal.

A further difference between albinism and leucism is in eye colour. Due to the lack of melanin production in both the retinal pigmented epithelium (RPE) and iris, albinos typically have red eyes due to the underlying blood vessels showing through. In contrast, leucistic animals have normally coloured eyes. This is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism."

Which is why Pieds have normal eyes and Lucys can have black or blue eyes :D

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Leucism in patches is called Piebald. They're the same genetic deformity, but different. You won't ever see a piebald with any kind of pattern in the patches as far as I know. True leucism is the same way. If there's pattern, it's not leucistic.