Putting Together Morph Guide

I purchased one of those little 1G thumb drives a few months ago and there was nothing on it. So I figured since I'm learning genetics and morphs and such of BP's, I could use it to make myself a little guide.

So far I have punnet squares for Albino X Piebald crossings and images of some piebalds and albinos. Eventually I will organize it so that I simply choose what morph I want to look into and up pops genetics information, images, current suppliers, combinations, ect.

I'm so happy I have found a use for that thumb drive. If you would like, you can suggest my next 'project'. As in project I mean, a crossing. You give me a cross between two snakes and I will make punnet squares and have them checked here for correctness. Then I add them to my little guide. So far I have:

Piebald X Albino

I will also be making a hard copy (notebook version) with all the same information. :carrot:

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

I purchased one of those little 1G thumb drives a few months ago and there was nothing on it. So I figured since I'm learning genetics and morphs and such of BP's, I could use it to make myself a little guide.

So far I have punnet squares for Albino X Piebald crossings and images of some piebalds and albinos. Eventually I will organize it so that I simply choose what morph I want to look into and up pops genetics information, images, current suppliers, combinations, ect.

I'm so happy I have found a use for that thumb drive. If you would like, you can suggest my next 'project'. As in project I mean, a crossing. You give me a cross between two snakes and I will make punnet squares and have them checked here for correctness. Then I add them to my little guide. So far I have:

Piebald X Albino

I will also be making a hard copy (notebook version) with all the same information. :carrot:

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Lets see for your next Square to figure out???? :oops:

Killer Bee Pinstripe :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
A.K.A Super Pastel X Spider X Pinstripe
I'm a bad man

Ok, I'll work on it tonight. I'm only used to het and double het at the moment, but I'll give it a shot. Will hopefully post tomorrow for correction. :D Thanks for my next 'project'.

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Ok, I'll work on it tonight. I'm only used to het and double het at the moment, but I'll give it a shot. Will hopefully post tomorrow for correction. :D Thanks for my next 'project'.

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Just remember Het can apply to recessive and Co/dom traits ;)

Question, since Pinstripe and Spider are Dominant traits, and Pastel is Co-Dominant, will both of the Dominant traits show up at the same time? I know the Pastel will if it carried onto the offspring, but I'm wondering about the other two.

If a dominate trait is present in an animal then yea it will show up but there is no super A.K.A homogeneous form of the gene.

You are brave.


I was considering making a program on my site to help flesh out the genetics of BPs, but I haven't had the time...

Dominant traits will take us ball python people a little getting used to if one is every proven.

The definition of dominant is that there is a homozygous version but that, except for its genotype, it's the same as the heterozygous version. If for example a homozygous granite looks and acts like a heterozygous granite then granite would by definition be a dominant mutation.

In this case dominant describes how the mutation interacts with the normal version of the same gene. How it interacts with mutations of other genes is hard to predict. Spider and pinstripe could both turn out to be dominant but as long as they are mutations of different genes it should be possible to make combinations of the two such as a double homozygous spider pinstripe (but we’re still waiting for a homozygous version of either first).

In some cases the appearance of one mutation might mask the appearance of another. For example, could you tell if a leucistic was also axanthic? It might be genetically double homozygous but the leucistic appearance could cover over the axanthic appearance. I think Epistasis is the word for when the appearance of one mutation covers the appearance of another. The hidden mutation is still there, you just can’t see it.

Also, if we find a dominant ball python mutation you could start seeing 33% possible homozygous animals for sale! When two heterozygous dominant animals are bred together their morph phenotype babies would be 66% possible hets and 33% possible homozygous but you can’t tell the difference in a dominant mutation short of breeding or some genetic probe we aren’t likely to get soon.

I'm so confused at this point. :confused:

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I'm so confused at this point. :confused:

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Long story short it would be a Spider that produces all spider hatchlings but looks like every other Spider.

So Spider would be dominant over the other traits?

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So Spider would be dominant over the other traits?

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No, the spider gene is dominant over the normal version of the same gene.

No offense, but it seems like you've got a lot to learn before you start publishing "guides" for all to see...;)

It's like Boas... Supers of a morph are not distinguishable between the regular morphs, but need to be proven out to produce a clutch of all one morph to be considered.

Oh, no no no no. This guide is for me, myself and I. The hardcopy will be in a notebook on my bookshelf. Kinda like. Oh I am curious about a certain pairing, so I go over and open up my little guide and its all laid out for me. I'm not publishing at all. Have no intention of ever publishing anything. The electronic version I would carry with me so I can add information to it no matter what computer I'm on. Trust me, I'm learning for myself, not so I can publish a guide.

Ok I have this program for cornsnake morphs. Heres the link Its alittle out of date.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/spencer62/cornprog.html

I emailed the guy a few years ago or so. I asked if he would ever be doing something like this for balls. He said he didnt have time to gather all the info on all the morphs and crosses and all that. Something like this for balls would be kind of cool only with pics of the morphs then you click on this morph or that one. Ive checked with him a few more times and still didnt have the time.

You're probably going to find that once you fully understand the basics - recessive, co-dominant, dominant, heterozygous, homozygous, etc - you will no longer need the guide. Once you understand it, all you really need to know is whether the particular morphs are dom/codom/recessive, and what morphs are combined to come up with the variously bizarre named designer morphs.

Steve

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or is it various bizarrely named designer morphs???? ;)
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It would just be nice to have around, not to mention I learn by repeating and doing. If I am actively engaged in writing down information and studying the information, then I learn it faster. :)

Ok, so my question is, those three morphs, since they are all dominant in some way, would they show up together, like a mix. An example, the pastel and spider show up together. Would the stripe show up as well along with the other two?

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Ok, so my question is, those three morphs, since they are all dominant in some way, would they show up together, like a mix. An example, the pastel and spider show up together. Would the stripe show up as well along with the other two?

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Yes. the pinstripe has the possibility of showing up also its a Bumble Bee Pinstripe

Oooh, I get it. The pastel and spider combine to make the bumble bee, which I've done the punnet square on. It only takes a het of each and since both show up in het form, they make the bumblebee. Combine bumble bee with pinstripe and you have the possiblity of bumblebee pinstipes, right? Or it can be done if either the spider or pastel carried pinstripe.

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Oooh, I get it. The pastel and spider combine to make the bumble bee, which I've done the punnet square on. It only takes a het of each and since both show up in het form, they make the bumblebee. Combine bumble bee with pinstripe and you have the possiblity of bumblebee pinstipes, right? Or it can be done if either the spider or pastel carried pinstripe.

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Nope you had it right the first time. Also a Lemon Blast (Pinstripe Pastel) bred to a spider or bee would give you bumble bee pins and could yield Killer bee Pins Killer bees and Super blast :D

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Oooh, I get it. The pastel and spider combine to make the bumble bee, which I've done the punnet square on. It only takes a het of each and since both show up in het form, they make the bumblebee. Combine bumble bee with pinstripe and you have the possiblity of bumblebee pinstipes, right? Or it can be done if either the spider or pastel carried pinstripe.

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Sure it can. Any way to combine the three traits will eventually accomplish the goal.

spider/pin x pastel, a spider/pastel(bumblebee) x pin, pastel/pin x spider could all produce bumblebee pins.

Steve

What if I breed a Hypo x Pastel? How would I figure this out? The Hypo is Recessive and The Pastel is Co-Dominate

Thanks Richard

Jay bunny is using the term Het too loosely.


For a Hypo Pastel, you would need to have both a Pastel het Hypo and a Normal het hypo (carrier of the hypo gene, but not visual) to produce one.

That means that if you have a Hypo and a Pastel, you would have to breed them together to create Pastels and normals all het Hypo.

THEN!! Take the filial generation (babies), grow them up, and breed them (A pastel baby and a normal baby both het Hypo) together to create your Hypo Pastel.

Punnet squares for that would need Capital and lower case letters to draw it out.

How am I using the term Het too loosely? I'm not trying to defend myself. I honestly want to know what I'm doing wrong so I can learn to do it right.