Is this the SECRET behind the CRYSTAL?
Was checking out kingsnake and saw this. Looks the exact same as a crystal just opposite color.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=523995
One of those with a Mojave might have that same color change like the pastel mojaves.
It has like the exact same pattern as a Crystal...but if it isnt...still a beautiful looking snake!!
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it looks like a phantom to me.. or am i wrong?
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no. it is not.
Hope this helps.
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
no. it is not.
Hope this helps.
-adam
:( Thanx Adam...but it is still pretty sweet.
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Very nice! I wonder what the parents where. He isn't saying much in the ad other than that it's CB. By the look and the Platinum name I could see it being part of the white snake complex but does it have one mutant gene or two?
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Originally Posted by RandyRemington
Very nice! I wonder what the parents where. He isn't saying much in the ad other than that it's CB. By the look and the Platinum name I could see it being part of the white snake complex but does it have one mutant gene or two?
Lesser x Black Pastel...
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Very nice looking combo. I like the way the lesser cleaned up the black pastel.
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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict
Lesser x Black Pastel...
100% positive?
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Originally Posted by mricyfire
100% positive?
Yes...
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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict
Yes...
:D
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I'm pretty sure I saw that snake in Daytona and it is a little screamer!
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Anyone still have a link to that picture? Do you suppose if you added caramel to a cinnamon mojave you would have a better shot at producing purple? Or maybe coral glow.
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Hey Randy,
I think I actually had to correct a post of yours in the KS morph section in regards to 18 morphs produced by Pastel Crystal to Bumblebee.... Check it out and let me know if I'm right! I would love to correct the King of Genetics and actually be correct! :O
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Tom,
Which one of us is right depends on if special and mojave are alleles or not. Basically it comes down to if crystal is the combination of two mutations of unrelated genes like pewter or two different mutations of the same gene (alleles) like karma. Hurry up and breed a crystal male to a bunch of normal females so we can find out if it only produces 50/50 special and mojave (like so far it looks like karma to normal produces lessers and phantoms only with no normal or karma) or if it can produce normals and crystals too (like pewter to normal can produce pewter and normal along with pastel and cinnamon).
Let me see if html is supported on this board now:
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Rats it doesn't. I know there was a board somewhere that supported html, maybe Bob Clark's, let me try there.
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Ok, I struck out there too. But either of us could be right depending on the relationship between Mojave and your special gene. Hard to say which is more likely. Multiple mutant allele groups do seem to be with us even if crystal doesn't turn out to be an example (it's looking like platy is and there are the lesser X mojave leucistic) so I need to find a way to explain alleles better.
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Why would you assume that none of these snakes could be created?
Normal, Pastel, Super Pastel, Spider, Bumblebee, and Killerbee...
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I think I get what your saying... I personally wouldnt jump to that conclusion but it will be interesting to find out! I am assuming that it will respond as does a Pewter...
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You have the advantage of knowing if the special has a clear belly or any features like the other apparent members of the white snake allele group (lesser, mojave, phantom, Vin Russo high yellow lemon).
In the allele theory the crystal is a super like the leucistic snakes or from the looks of it probably the platy. If mojave and special are two different versions of the same gene then all of the crystal's babies will get one or the other because the crystal doesn’t have a normal version of that common gene to give. A crystal wouldn’t be able to produce babies that aren't either special or mojave.
But as you point out crystal could be just be a cool combo of different genes like pewter is of pastel and cinnamon. Greg Graziani made a case for the similarities between pastel and cinnamon (which he even called cinnamon pastel) before cinnamon was proven genetic and then when the combo (pewter) turned out so unexpected I was sure they would turn out to be alleles but they didn't.
