Feeder snakes for a FL king

can someone link me to a place online that sells feeder snakes?

also if the snake is an adult, a little over 4 feet long, what size should the feeder snake be?

Good god I sure hope you mean feeder MICE!!!!

If that be the case and your just confused. Try your local pet shops that sell reptiles. Or.....

www.rodentpro.com

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Good god I sure hope you mean feeder MICE!!!!

If that be the case and your just confused. Try your local pet shops that sell reptiles. Or.....

www.rodentpro.com

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i don't understand what the problem is. i'm not confused.

Your saying that you need a place that sells snakes that's purpose is to be fed to another snake???

I've never heard of such a thing. Nor do I know of any place that sells such an item. Maybe I'm confused here. But I've never heard of this act.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Your saying that you need a place that sells snakes that's purpose is to be fed to another snake???

I've never heard of such a thing. Nor do I know of any place that sells such an item. Maybe I'm confused here. But I've never heard of this act.

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that's exactly what i'm saying. i've heard that such a site exists. i think it would be interesting to feed another snake to mine.

Well no offense. But I hope such a site doesn't exist. I by no means mean to start any problems.

But that's just wrong.

Thatd be like saying. "Does anybody know where I can find feeder dogs?" I think itd be interesting to see my pit bull eat another dog.

Again I don't want to start any trouble. So please don't be offended. But I care about all snakes and would never think to feed one of mine another snake.

no offense taken... that is a good point. i am passionate about all snakes too... i probably sound like a sick little kid who just wants to see something eat something else... but i'm looking at this from more of a scientific standpoint. it is a phenomenon that happens in nature that i would like to witness.

Thank you for understanding. I just can't imagine such a thing. Especially since our animals are just fine eating rodents.

I have seen it happen due to housing 2 snakes together though. The eater later regurgitated the snake. There's a link somewhere on the site.

Good luck with your search.

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But that's just wrong.

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Let me ask you this, what is the difference between feeding a snake a "feeder snake" and a feeder mouse?

I'm not saying I agree with it one way or another, but you must ask yourself that question.

Many rat/mice/rabbit owners would be horrified at the thought of feeding there precious pet to a snake, just as you are, and I totally agree that you should be. However, are you just upset because you keep snakes as pets?

Hopefully you see the point I'm trying to make.

My two cents,
Austin

I see your point yes. But I don't believe in feeding same species to one another.

Again I don't wanna argue. And true any rabbit or rat owner would cringe at the thought of a snake eating they're little pet.

I guess it all just boils down to feeding same species in general to one another that I don't like.

You certainly wouldn't feed a dog to another dog. I guess it can go both ways though. My opinion is strictly personal.

And snakes eating ther snakes in the wild certainly does happen. I just care not to do it.

so if you put the word "feeder" in front of anything it's ok. no one wants to feed pets or anything, but if it's a "feeder" whatever it's ok.

i understand the whole concept and i know i have seen adds before for feeder snakes, but it's usually for snakes will only eat other snakes. King Cobras for example... at many Cobra sanctuaries in Africa, Cobras are feed rat snakes, that are specifically raised as food. in the wild the majority of a King Cobras' diet is other snakes.

i just think thats a little different that feeding a snake that WILL eat rodents another snake.

and to me it sounds like you are "a sick kid who wants to see something eat something".

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Originally Posted by Kagez28

so if you put the word "feeder" in front of anything it's ok. no one wants to feed pets or anything, but if it's a "feeder" whatever it's ok.

i understand the whole concept and i know i have seen adds before for feeder snakes, but it's usually for snakes will only eat other snakes. King Cobras for example... at many Cobra sanctuaries in Africa, Cobras are feed rat snakes, that are specifically raised as food. in the wild the majority of a King Cobras' diet is other snakes.

i just think thats a little different that feeding a snake that WILL eat rodents another snake.

and to me it sounds like you are "a sick kid who wants to see something eat something".

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Quoted for the truth. Also cali kings are amazing eaters and will more than likely eat anything you throw at them. On a side note though are you prepared to buy "feeder" snakes if he refuse's rodents when you offer? just something to think about.

seeing as the general populace would consider us feeding mice to be wrong I find this amusing. The difference between feeding one thing versus feeding another is the value the person puts on something. Mice are generally accepted as feeders, so no one gives it a second thought, but if you introduce something else people freak out.

With that said, what is the point of using snakes as feeders? Is your animal a problem feeder or are you just looking for thrills or what? I usually feed f/t rodents if I can, but I have several problem feeders that sometimes need something different such as lizards or frogs. Have you ever had to pop a tree frog because you snake swallowed it enough, but at the same time not enough so that the frog could still inflate it's defensive air sacks? I have and it's not enjoyable. Feeding snakes there will most likely be a lot of thrashing and struggling and will not be a quick death like we often see with rodent feedings.
On top of this why would you want to have to get a fecal and worm you snake and such for one meal, most snakes that could be considered feeders will probably be wild caught and you risk introducing parasites to your pet. This is why feeding mammals to reptiles is great, because there is little risk of cross contamination comparatively.

That being said, look around, I'm sure you can find wc garter or ribbon snakes cheaply at some local pet store.

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Originally Posted by chris B

Quoted for the truth. Also cali kings are amazing eaters and will more than likely eat anything you throw at them. On a side note though are you prepared to buy "feeder" snakes if he refuse's rodents when you offer? just something to think about.

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is that really a likely possibility?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

With that said, what is the point of using snakes as feeders? Is your animal a problem feeder or are you just looking for thrills or what?

On top of this why would you want to have to get a fecal and worm you snake and such for one meal, most snakes that could be considered feeders will probably be wild caught and you risk introducing parasites to your pet. This is why feeding mammals to reptiles is great, because there is little risk of cross contamination comparatively.

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no he's not a problem feeder, but i'm not just "looking for thrills." i can't believe everyone thinks this is so obsurd. the only way i can try to explain it is that i would just like to witness this phenomenon that occurs in the wild. the wild caught thing is a good point and has got me thinking. if i do this i will try to verify that it is captive bred.

Sure it is!!! Say you just got paid and think its cool to watch your snake eat another snake. So you buy a 20 dollar snake for it to eat. And he LOVES it!!! Then bam that's all he will eat.

It happens with stubborn ball python eaters. Sometimes they'll take gerbils or hamsters. I forget which one. But those guys are 20 bucks a pop. A lot of times they'll wanna stay on that food. So then all of a sudden your feeding your little kingsnake 20 dollar feeder snakes. When you could have just stayed on little 2 or 3 dollar rodents.

Scientific doesn't mean "I wanna watch it without going WOOOOOO" scientific means there's some purpose to the experiment like "I want to observe growth rates in king snakes fed a diet of garter snakes vs. snakes fed rodents." This is no different that someone saying "I want to feed a snake live prey because I like to watch it." Not saying that you're a terrible person or anything, but let's call a spade a spade here.

It's probably to the detriment to your snake or wallet, as WC snakes might carry some sort of parasite or disease with it and captive snakes aren't the cheapest feeders. Also, to warn you, you will be disappointed. Watching a snake eat another snake is just like watching a snake eat a really long mouse.

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Originally Posted by raptorslovepuns

Scientific doesn't mean "I wanna watch it without going WOOOOOO" scientific means there's some purpose to the experiment like "I want to observe growth rates in king snakes fed a diet of garter snakes vs. snakes fed rodents." This is no different that someone saying "I want to feed a snake live prey because I like to watch it." Not saying that you're a terrible person or anything, but let's call a spade a spade here.

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ok, i see what you're saying, but i'm just trying to explain my state of mind.

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Originally Posted by raptorslovepuns

It's probably to the detriment to your snake or wallet, as WC snakes might carry some sort of parasite or disease with it and captive snakes aren't the cheapest feeders. Also, to warn you, you will be disappointed. Watching a snake eat another snake is just like watching a snake eat a really long mouse

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i think i'm on the verge of being talked out of this idea...

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Originally Posted by Street Killer

ok, i see what you're saying, but i'm just trying to explain my state of mind.

i think i'm on the verge of being talked out of this idea...

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Here's some videos of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBurT7kWQj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5W8p...elated&search=

The narrator of the second one sounds like the Caddyshack gardener.

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Originally Posted by raptorslovepuns

Here's some videos of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBurT7kWQj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5W8p...elated&search=

The narrator of the second one sounds like the Caddyshack gardener.

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wow that second video was stupid in every way.

there is your "phenomenon that occurs in the wild" youtube style...

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Originally Posted by Kagez28

there is your "phenomenon that occurs in the wild" youtube style...

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yeah, i'm starting to think it would just be pure chaos letting 2 snakes go at it. i probably won't do it.

Yeaaaaaah. "If you believe in God enough the kingsnake will survive." "I just wanna cut his head off!"

I still think he sounds like the Caddyshack Gardener, but yeah, this is about how intelligent the whole "Natural phenomenon" is. If you want to observe natural behavior, go outside! It's just kind of a bad idea and it wouldn't be complete chaos, it would just be another feeding. I mean, how different does that look from snake+mouse?

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Originally Posted by chris B

Quoted for the truth. Also cali kings are amazing eaters and will more than likely eat anything you throw at them. On a side note though are you prepared to buy "feeder" snakes if he refuse's rodents when you offer? just something to think about.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Sure it is!!! Say you just got paid and think its cool to watch your snake eat another snake. So you buy a 20 dollar snake for it to eat. And he LOVES it!!! Then bam that's all he will eat.

It happens with stubborn ball python eaters. Sometimes they'll take gerbils or hamsters. I forget which one. But those guys are 20 bucks a pop. A lot of times they'll wanna stay on that food. So then all of a sudden your feeding your little kingsnake 20 dollar feeder snakes. When you could have just stayed on little 2 or 3 dollar rodents.

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I've never seen a california king snake, or any king snake for that matter, imprint on a certain prey type. This is after having seen them eat birds, lizards, rodents, as well as other snakes and on numerous occasions.

What about balls being mousers they're whole life? Never having the desire to take a rat?

It happens. Need less to say that's probably due to feeding after feeding of one prey type.

Ill just never offer my snakes something I'm not prepared to buy every week if that's what they end up doing.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

What about balls being mousers they're whole life? Never having the desire to take a rat?

It happens. Need less to say that's probably due to feeding after feeding of one prey type.

Ill just never offer my snakes something I'm not prepared to buy every week if that's what they end up doing.

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Ball pythons are imprint feeders, king snakes certainly aren't. ;) I wasn't referring to ball pythons and neither was the OP.

If you have a snake that will eat rodents, it just makes sense on so many different levels to feed it rodents. If you have a snake that can only eat other snakes, then that's what'cha gotta feed it. I don't think any snake like that is going to be found in any common collection, though. ;) As has already been pointed out, while kingsnakes can and do eat other snakes in the wild, they are also not picky eaters by nature and will almost always gladly take rodents in captivity.


All that being said....I'm gonna to slightly off topic and do something I usually don't bother to take the time to do....which is to utterly slam one of the videos posted. I know the world is full of idiots, and they fill every hobby out there. Heck, you could probably find videos of insane stamp collectors if you looked hard enough....so I don't usually bother giving them much credence or attention.

But that second video....the kindsnake vs the mojave rattler......I should never have clicked on that one. That was SOOO SOOO wrong. Unbelievably wrong. It wasn't a matter of FEEDING the kingsnake another snake.....it had just eaten and wasn't even hungry. All it was was the bloodsport of watching an animal die. And the guy didn't even care that the king was getting the crap bit out of it, either. I'm sorry, but even if you don't like rattlers, at least respect the animal you're practically worshipping in the midst of your bloody little sport! Rats won't envenomate my snake either, but I sure as heck don't want to see her get chewed on!!

And then to bring God into it....as if God were sitting in there with them cheering on the death of one of His beautiful creatures for no other purpose than their sick, twisted amusement.

:angered: GAH!!! Sick, sick people who have NO idea and not the least bit of comprehension of the beauty and awesomeness of life that surrounds them. All I can do is pray for justice.

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Originally Posted by raptorslovepuns

Here's some videos of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBurT7kWQj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5W8p...elated&search=

The narrator of the second one sounds like the Caddyshack gardener.

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:angered: :angered: :angered: :angered: :angered: :soapbx:

the general topic sickens me unless it is a king cobra

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Some people aren't fit to have fleas.:mad: :taz: :sabduel:


For a moment when I saw him sticking the rattler out of a small carboard box across the room in his bare feet I thought we might actually get to see poetic justice in action. But even then people would blame the snake.:(

If you watch it at the 12 second mark you can see what looks like a can of beer on the unit next to the pet carrier with shavings in - I assume thats what either the rat pup in the box with the rattler was in or the small kingsnake also in the box with the rattler was in.

This guy manages to tick almost every idiotic mistake possible mixing hots,alcohol and children with reckless abandon and neurons akimbo.




dr del

That video is utterly disgusting. I was really hoping that moron would have dropped that snake on the floor and that it came after his bare dirty feet. That would have made my day complete. People who stick two animals in an enclosed space and watch them fight to the death need to be put in a jail cell, strapped to a chair and made to watch fluffy bunnies and baby deer frolic through a flowered meadow for hours and hours on end.

actually it's not that uncommon in the wild.

research the eastern indigo snake ( I am absolutely in LOVE with it!)

they regularly eat iguanas, rattlesnakes, and other snakes, but the amazing thing is, they're completely immune to the venom of the native venomous snakes of their area!

http://www.snakeeducation.com/snakes...06%20Ocala.JPG

http://users.tamuk.edu/david_hewitt/...t%20indigo.JPG

http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/indigo.snake1.jpg

http://www.windowsonnature.com/Natur...ake_Indigo.jpg


okay. I'm done.. sorry... I just adore these beauties.

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actually it's not that uncommon in the wild.

research the eastern indigo snake ( I am absolutely in LOVE with it!)

they regularly eat iguanas, rattlesnakes, and other snakes, but the amazing thing is, they're completely immune to the venom of the native venomous snakes of their area!

okay. I'm done.. sorry... I just adore these beauties.

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yes, i'm familiar with the indigo snake and i've read about them being ophiophagous. i love indigos too! i can't think of anyone who doesn't. have you ever seen them in the wild? i think it would be a dream come true!

on another note... why did you have to bring this thread back to life!?!?!?!!!! i thought this was ancient history. i just want to let everyone know that i did not follow through with this idea, and i'm pretty ashamed of considering it. this thread actually cost me a nice corn snake. i was going to adopt him but the owner saw this thread and changed her mind.

haha. I don't know why I brought it back... heh...


I just saw it..


and commented.

but anywho... I live in Texas, and I'm just hoping to run across a Texas Indigo one day... It would make me SO happy.:D

My cornsnake source fed some deformed or dead corns to her kings, f/t of course. It was very intresting.

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Originally Posted by Street Killer

no offense taken... that is a good point. i am passionate about all snakes too... i probably sound like a sick little kid who just wants to see something eat something else... but i'm looking at this from more of a scientific standpoint. it is a phenomenon that happens in nature that i would like to witness.

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while that is a part of nature i dont see it being something good coming from it it you want to see something like that national geographic just had a king cobra eating a retic on their site on video. its not really a good theing to personally do because the stronger snake wins and not to mention parasites and everything else involved

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

I see your point yes. But I don't believe in feeding same species to one another.

Again I don't wanna argue. And true any rabbit or rat owner would cringe at the thought of a snake eating they're little pet.

I guess it all just boils down to feeding same species in general to one another that I don't like.

You certainly wouldn't feed a dog to another dog. I guess it can go both ways though. My opinion is strictly personal.

And snakes eating ther snakes in the wild certainly does happen. I just care not to do it.

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I think you are being too hard on this guy. I own a king snake, which as you know would regularly eat other snakes on the wild. Though I typically feed mice as you suggest, I live in an area where there are an abundance of ribbon and garter snakes. That said , I'll occasional catch a small one to feed to my king snake ..as a treat or diet supplement ..

I'm an avid reptile owner and have been all of my life. In my 40s I have an assortment of reptiles, about a dozen different lizards , two tortoises and the king snakes..any time you can mimic what these caprice animals might be exposed to in nature is a bonus..for example my kids and I will catch grasshoppers maybe 40-50 a week which our lizards love..and though I might dust the otherwise nutrionless store bought crickets I believe my animals thrive because of the addition of the grasshoppers spiders moths and other insects we add to their diets..please no posts about pesticides I'm in a field on our property, there are no pesticides..

Your analogy about "feeder dogs" is weak..I love reptiles and my first snake was a ribbon snake, bit now I own a Kong snake which is programmed to eat other snakes..I've got a heart so I won't watch the but I recognize the benefit to the snake I own so I'll just toss it in the tank and cone back later..we own a few red ear sliders who are in a small pond behind the house, an occasional through on guppies and gold fish as a treat..that said, I also have a fish tank with fancy comets ..one has nothing to do with the other..some fish pets some food food..and that's how I see the feeder snake issue..perhaps this story of the woman who I met who keeps praying mantis as pets..well let's just says on that field of grasshoppers is an occasional praying mantis on the prowl..and no all I can say is I can swear I saw my veiled chameleon smile as he swallowed one of those down..folded it in half and chomped away! You take on any pet you have an oblation to keep it as healthy as possible and that mean among up the diet whenever possible..ps, there are people who keep mice and rats as pets so at the very least, it's all about perspective..

I would not feed any WC prey item, whether a rodent, bird, or snake, to a snake in my collection. WC critters are often carriers of diseases or parasites that you do not want taking hold in your collection.

If you want to feed your king snake the occasional snake as a treat, find someone who breeds ball pythons or corn snakes and offer to take their kinked or stillborn babies.

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Originally Posted by fcapps

I think you are being too hard on this guy. I own a king snake, which as you know would regularly eat other snakes on the wild. Though I typically feed mice as you suggest, I live in an area where there are an abundance of ribbon and garter snakes. That said , I'll occasional catch a small one to feed to my king snake ..as a treat or diet supplement ..

I'm an avid reptile owner and have been all of my life. In my 40s I have an assortment of reptiles, about a dozen different lizards , two tortoises and the king snakes..any time you can mimic what these caprice animals might be exposed to in nature is a bonus..for example my kids and I will catch grasshoppers maybe 40-50 a week which our lizards love..and though I might dust the otherwise nutrionless store bought crickets I believe my animals thrive because of the addition of the grasshoppers spiders moths and other insects we add to their diets..please no posts about pesticides I'm in a field on our property, there are no pesticides..

Your analogy about "feeder dogs" is weak..I love reptiles and my first snake was a ribbon snake, bit now I own a Kong snake which is programmed to eat other snakes..I've got a heart so I won't watch the but I recognize the benefit to the snake I own so I'll just toss it in the tank and cone back later..we own a few red ear sliders who are in a small pond behind the house, an occasional through on guppies and gold fish as a treat..that said, I also have a fish tank with fancy comets ..one has nothing to do with the other..some fish pets some food food..and that's how I see the feeder snake issue..perhaps this story of the woman who I met who keeps praying mantis as pets..well let's just says on that field of grasshoppers is an occasional praying mantis on the prowl..and no all I can say is I can swear I saw my veiled chameleon smile as he swallowed one of those down..folded it in half and chomped away! You take on any pet you have an oblation to keep it as healthy as possible and that mean among up the diet whenever possible..ps, there are people who keep mice and rats as pets so at the very least, it's all about perspective..

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This is a 7 year old thread :gj:

Hahahah.

This thread is better then tv