crystel lesser?

i posted a thread about this a while back was thier any pics relased of the so called special female?

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Originally Posted by whitesnake12

i posted a thread about this a while back was thier any pics relased of the so called special female?

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There are non no one but Brian even knows what it is.

well tht jus sucks gusse its going to be the same wit nerds new morph

No I know that the new deal with NERD is a 4 morph snake. :D

Kev normals lets the cat out after a while.

NERD and will let people know what makes a new morph they create.

They don't hide anything.

It's people that keep the pieces of the puzzle secret for years and refuse to let anyone know what is going on are the people that really disgust me about the BP market.:mad:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

There are non no one but Brian even knows what it is.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No I know that the new deal with NERD is a 4 morph snake. :D

Kev normals lets the cat out after a while.

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I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere! :8:

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Originally Posted by SPJ

NERD and will let people know what makes a new morph they create.

They don't hide anything.

It's people that keep the pieces of the puzzle secret for years and refuse to let anyone know what is going on are the people that really disgust me about the BP market.:mad:

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No its marketing. Kev likes people to see the final product so that they can sell the ingredients to make it. Its like why cake boxes show the finished product but only offer the ingredients not the cake. :D

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere! :8:

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No I got hurt some days ago and the meds make it hard to concentrate.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No its marketing. Kev likes people to see the final product so that they can sell the ingredients to make it. Its like why cake boxes show the finished product but only offer the ingredients not the cake. :D

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That's what I said about NERD. They will unveil a snake but eventually they will tell people what makes it.

It's people like the owner of the crystal who after several years refuses to let people know what the other half of the puzzle is that is needed to make a crystal besides a mojave.

That's not marketing, that is price fixing and attempting to control the market on that certain morph.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

That's what I said about NERD. They will unveil a snake but eventually they will tell people what makes it.

It's people like the owner of the crystal who after several years refuses to let people know what the other half of the puzzle is that is needed to make a crystal besides a mojave.

That's not marketing, that is price fixing and attempting to control the market on that certain morph.

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Yea I was typing that prior to yours.

:D

I agree that I hate not knowing. But then I like the idea of there still being some surprises still left in the reptile world. I rather enjoy it. Like I'm saving my nickels so when Ralph finally lets some of his phantoms out :D

True, it is nice to not know what is on the horizon but after several years with the crystal (he was supposed to unveil the other half in Daytona), that gets a bit frustrating.

Once RDR releases his phantoms and goblins, it's going to be crazy. The supers are phenomenal!

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Originally Posted by SPJ

True, it is nice to not know what is on the horizon but after several years with the crystal (he was supposed to unveil the other half in Daytona), that gets a bit frustrating.

Once RDR releases his phantoms and goblins, it's going to be crazy. The supers are phenomenal!

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PSSST Goblins are now called Yellow Bellies. But yea the phantoms are killer. Of course with the Crystal Ball is no different that the Phantom its Brian's signature morph. And hes not the only one to produce one I have heard of one other but they agreed not to divulge what it takes now whether that is true is not I don't know but I trust the person that told me :D

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Like I'm saving my nickels so when Ralph finally lets some of his phantoms out

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Amen! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

Hey guys, Ralph has let some Phantoms out already.

I have produced the original Crystal and a few since including the Paradox Crystal and the Pastel Crystals... Mine are produced from a Mojave as opposed to BHBs which were produced with a Lesser... A few people have seen the "Special" mother, even one of the bigger breeders who I know has shared the pic a few times...
It really is an unimpressive snake that has been posted previously when I used her to produce Pastels... She never recieved any comments and I have kept her basically underwraps since... I have had a friend see her and almost immediately close her drawer dissapointed that there was nothing extraordinary about her... I have in the past decided to keep her private as to learn more about the project. I do have an 06 "Special" female that has a few breeders interested possibly with an 06 "Special Mojave" male... I donot have any idea why she would produce lighter orange Mojaves (Special Mojaves) that would not be Crystals... It wont be until this coming season that I produce snake from my original "Special Mojave" female and from Pastel Crystal to "Special" and "Special Pastel"....
I basically call what I think produces a Crystal a "Special"... I have not produced a "Super Special" as of yet... I call the "Special Mojave" just that since I donot know how they tie in yet. I dont know if "Special Mojaves" have anything to do with or will ever produce a Crystal... This just shows the infancy of this project...
I have sold 2.2 Crystals (0.1 being Paradoxed) this year, along with 0.1 Pastel Crystal and 0.1 "Special Mojave"... People have invested considerable money with me to get into this project and definitely love the snakes, and very possibly like how I have handled the project... I think it would be very un-professional bordering on rude for me to now release the photos since I already have there money!
SPJ,
I can careless what disgusts you... I have handled this project from the start and tried my very best... You really have no idea what you are talking about. Explain the price-fixing to me again? How did that work??? I will definitely control who my snakes go to and once they produce it is up to them to price and market them however they see fit.
Here is a Pastel Crystal male paired up with the original Crystal female...
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...rystalPair.jpg

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Originally Posted by Python Dreams

I have produced the original Crystal and a few since including the Paradox Crystal and the Pastel Crystals... Mine are produced from a Mojave as opposed to BHBs which were produced with a Lesser... A few people have seen the "Special" mother, even one of the bigger breeders who I know has shared the pic a few times...
It really is an unimpressive snake that has been posted previously when I used her to produce Pastels... She never recieved any comments and I have kept her basically underwraps since... I have had a friend see her and almost immediately close her drawer dissapointed that there was nothing extraordinary about her... I have in the past decided to keep her private as to learn more about the project. I do have an 06 "Special" female that has a few breeders interested possibly with an 06 "Special Mojave" male... I donot have any idea why she would produce lighter orange Mojaves (Special Mojaves) that would not be Crystals... It wont be until this coming season that I produce snake from my original "Special Mojave" female and from Pastel Crystal to "Special" and "Special Pastel"....
I basically call what I think produces a Crystal a "Special"... I have not produced a "Super Special" as of yet... I call the "Special Mojave" just that since I donot know how they tie in yet. I dont know if "Special Mojaves" have anything to do with or will ever produce a Crystal... This just shows the infancy of this project...
I have sold 2.2 Crystals (0.1 being Paradoxed) this year, along with 0.1 Pastel Crystal and 0.1 "Special Mojave"... People have invested considerable money with me to get into this project and definitely love the snakes, and very possibly like how I have handled the project... I think it would be very un-professional bordering on rude for me to now release the photos since I already have there money!
SPJ,
I can careless what disgusts you... I have handled this project from the start and tried my very best... You really have no idea what you are talking about. Explain the price-fixing to me again? How did that work??? I will definitely control who my snakes go to and once they produce it is up to them to price and market them however they see fit.
Here is a Pastel Crystal male paired up with the original Crystal female...
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...rystalPair.jpg

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Tom,

I have but one question for you.

Was is a cop or was it a taxi? ..... buhahahahahahahaha!

Keep on keepin on brother! ... It's YOUR project and you're doing great with it. I'd sell my weak non hanging in six shootin brother for a crystal any day of the week.

Shoot me your address, I have the XL that you left in my room ... purple right? (j/k) ;)

-adam

LMAO Adam....
I just started pokin at you in the other thread! :D

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Originally Posted by Python Dreams

LMAO Adam....
I just started pokin at you in the other thread! :D

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Gotta warn ya baker ... it's on for next year ... I'm flying in some ringers to do you like you did my boy Vaughn! Better bring a 55 gallon drum of that roseoil or whatever it was ... you're gonna need it! :D

-adam

Tom, did you produce from Crystal X normal this year and if so did you get any normals or crystals or just a 50/50 split of specials and mojaves?

Jared H. posted pictures of his previously secret mom of the super striped yellow bellies and I still couldn't tell you what they look like. It's kind of sounding like your special female might be the same. Maybe the bellies are less subtle and a consistent way to identify them. Whatever it is, it sure does something interesting with mojave!

Will also be interesting to see what is up with the special mojave. Seems like it couldn't have the special allele but who knows.

Also, have you by chance produced crystals with different not closely related mojaves? I guess what I'm asking is are you sure any mojave x special could produce crystal. I'd expect that to be the case but it would be nice to be able to eliminate the possibility that your original mojave male just happened to be het for some recessive thing that the special female also had. I suppose the lesser crystal would tend to rule that out.

I'm betting the specials are a clear bellied member of the white snake complex toward the normal looking end like phantom. We know it can’t be phantom exactly as phantom + lesser makes white karma. Given that crystal has more pigment than karma maybe the super/homozygous special would have more/different color than the homozygous/super phantom?

Why so much yellow is odd though. Maybe special is not an allele at all and just happens to interact with mojave/lesser like pastel and cinnamon/black pastel interact. The crystal X normal breeding should help figure that out.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

That's what I said about NERD. They will unveil a snake but eventually they will tell people what makes it.

It's people like the owner of the crystal who after several years refuses to let people know what the other half of the puzzle is that is needed to make a crystal besides a mojave.

That's not marketing, that is price fixing and attempting to control the market on that certain morph.

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you can't blame 'em. think of it this way. You spend YEARS developing a new morph, and you work hard on it. Then when you try to market it, some balding guy finds out what you need to create this morph, breeds and begins selling them at a lower price than you. Soon you lose the revenue for YOUR morph, YOUR hard work, all because this other guy wanted to get some money off of YOUR work.

There are so many morphs that havent been done or gone public...everyone in here could have their own special morph and not tell how to make it. I know I am working on one myself.

Thanks to Tim and Adam and Tom for helping..!!!

Tom those are smoker snakes. :D

Tim, he let Phantoms go??? Must have been expensive!

Nice Crystals Tom!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Yea I was typing that prior to yours.

:D

I agree that I hate not knowing. But then I like the idea of there still being some surprises still left in the reptile world. I rather enjoy it. Like I'm saving my nickels so when Ralph finally lets some of his phantoms out :D

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I agree, its exciting not knowing.

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Originally Posted by Petboy15

Tim, he let Phantoms go??? Must have been expensive!

Nice Crystals Tom!

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Heck yes he did!!


I was waiting for Tom to show himself in this thread! Great post tom. :D

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Originally Posted by SPJ

NERD and will let people know what makes a new morph they create.

They don't hide anything.

It's people that keep the pieces of the puzzle secret for years and refuse to let anyone know what is going on are the people that really disgust me about the BP market.:mad:

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no, what really disgusts me is when people (like the ones holding the crystals) that put YEARS into the morph trying to figure out the genetics to the point it becomes a part of you and bam some jerk gets a hold of one and decides to flood the market and drive down prices just to stab you in the back or because 'they're co-doms, they're not rare!'

quite frankly it is their snake, their project, and no one else has the right to tell them what they can and cannot do with it.

Well this will be my last post on this thread and this board. It's obvious from the anonymous people that no one wants to hear my opinion.


Sooooo screw the anonymous idiots. You made it an unwelcome place to post an opinion on SEVERAL topics.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Well this will be my last post on this thread and this board. It's obvious from the anonymous people that no one wants to hear my opinion.


Sooooo screw the anonymous idiots. You made it an unwelcome place to post an opinion on SEVERAL topics.

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well i have no idea what 'anon' said, but quite frankly, as rude as your posts were i can't doubt you got those comments.

Steve, why the anger? Its Tom's project and his right to do whatever he wants with it.

Randy,
I did breed both Crystal males to a normal female, but nothing came of it! We will have to wait til next year... As for the rest of your posts... I'm waiting to get a genetics degree before I try and answer! :confused: hehehe
SPJ,
No worries on your opinion, I just was caught off guard a bit... Hell I think I was bummed out when TSK wouldnt give me info on the Ivories! ;)
To everyone else thanks for the kind words and support... Next year should be very cool to see what will be produced in the Crystal project... I hope to pop-out some brand new Crystal crosses and I am sure BHB, Bruce, and Clint will be knocking out some crazy stuff also!

Steve, are you meaning unsigned neg rep type things? Really why in the world does anyone care if someone neg reps them on an online forum and doesn't have the cajones to put a name to it...it's well...silly really. I am sorry you feel this is bad enough for you to leave the site.

As far as whether Tom or any breeder for that matter chooses to release the "recipe" for a morph is I figure completely up to them. It's their snake, their work went into the proving out of the snake, I figure they don't owe me or anyone else anything. They can set the price as they see fit. If someone wants the snake and will pay that price all the better...if not the breeder can just go back to cleaning up snake crap from a particularily pretty snake. :D I don't see why anyone would get all uptight about this?

Tom, I've never had a chance to tell you but the Crystal is quite honestly one of the most gorgeous morphs out there. I remember the first time I saw it posted on another forum and my jaw about hit the floor. It must be a real joy to care for those beauties.

Thanks Joanna!