How to use Provent a mite, without killing your snake

How do you use Provent a mite without harming your snake? what are the instructions?

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Originally Posted by Bright202

How do you use Provent a mite without harming your snake? what are the instructions?

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They'll be on the can. ;)

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Originally Posted by Bright202

How do you use Provent a mite without harming your snake?

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By following the directions on the can EXACTLY!

Read the can...but basically that means:
1. Cleaning the cage out
2. LIGHTLY spraying the new substrate
3. Letting it dry completely
4. Venting out any left over fumes
5. Replacing your snake in the clean and treated tub.

But just to make sure and clarify...read the can. :D

So it will be okay for a BP like 3 or 4 months old? Poor guy is always in his water dish, good thing its not a bad case of mites, but I think it may get worse soon, now all I need is for the darn thing to come in the mail!

Yea just follow the direction very closely and don't be in a rush.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Yea just follow the direction very closely and don't be in a rush.

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Okay.. I'm kinda nervous..

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Originally Posted by Bright202

Okay.. I'm kinda nervous..

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Thats good it means you'll pay closer attention to what your doing. :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Thats good it means you'll pay closer attention to what your doing. :D

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haha oh yeah for sure. Is it okay though if Spartan is always in his water dish, like I know for sure he has mites but he was in it all morning.

Make sure you also remove the water dish before you treat the cage...kind of a no brainer to me...but just thought I'd throw that out since no one else mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by Bright202

haha oh yeah for sure. Is it okay though if Spartan is always in his water dish, like I know for sure he has mites but he was in it all morning.

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Excessive soaking is a clue to mites/humidity/shedding/heat problems My spider soaks after a meal its his thing. But yea excessive soaking is a clue that something is a miss.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Make sure you also remove the water dish before you treat the cage...kind of a no brainer to me...but just thought I'd throw that out since no one else mentioned it.

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Bingo!!! but also treat any cage furniture the same as the tanks and substrate. :D

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Make sure you also remove the water dish before you treat the cage...kind of a no brainer to me...but just thought I'd throw that out since no one else mentioned it.

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Yeah, do I spray the hides and water dish though?

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Originally Posted by Bright202

Yeah, do I spray the hides and water dish though?

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I dunno about the hides, but do NOT spray the water dish!! If you fear it might be infested with mite eggs (if it's porous?) then throw it away and get a new one.

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Originally Posted by Bright202

Yeah, do I spray the hides and water dish though?

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Don't treat the water dish. Just remove the water bowl, treat the cage, and replace it once the cage dries out. PAM is safe when dry, not so safe when wet. I meant to ask Pro-Products at Daytona if misting the cage in the days after a treatment is still safe...

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Originally Posted by Bright202

Yeah, do I spray the hides and water dish though?

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No to the water dish. Oh and feed in a different enclosure while using PAM never ever feed on treated substrate.

The idea is that the stuff dries on everything (except the water bowl) and when the mite jump off to lay their eggs they get killed and the snake movings around rubs them on the treated stuff killing them.

can someone comment on whether or not you can keep a water dish in a treated enclosure ?

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

can someone comment on whether or not you can keep a water dish in a treated enclosure ?

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Whenever I get a new snake, I treat the tub with PAM and place the water dish in the treated cage immediately after it dries and never had any issues. I know others who do the same and also have not had any problems.

Cool I wasn't sure..Better safe than sorry. :D

Yeah Humidity is steady at 57-62% Temps on warm side are about 90, but at night around 80-86 cool side is around 80-85 and at night around 78. I guess thats what you get for living in Canada. I am building a new rack soon, you can see it on my previous post, looks nice.. I just have to wait for my flexwatt and herpstat to come in.. Yeah maybe I should soak the water dish in bleach and hot water then rinse throughly after so there is no sent. Also I'm debating to build a tank for him like this:
http://redtailboa.net/forums/how-tos...ure-100-a.html
sorry If I'm not allowed to post links to another forum..

Anyways, any more advice on what I should do, enclosures and PAM?

:rockon: Mitch

Just in case anyone was interested, Bob Pound of Pro-Products got back to me in response to the question of whether or not PAM would still be safe if the treated cage becomes wet. Here's his response:

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Brad,



Once PAM has completely dried on a surface, it is not water soluble, so will remain intact and effective in high humidity enclosures and is not affected by misting. In fact, you can wash the cage with soap and water and there will still be sufficient residual left to continue to kill mites and ticks.



Bob Pound promist@comcast.net

Pro Products www.pro-products.com

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Just in case anyone was interested, Bob Pound of Pro-Products got back to me in response to the question of whether or not PAM would still be safe if the treated cage becomes wet. Here's his response:

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So what your saying is that if I spray my tank lets say 1 week after the treatment has been sprayed it won't affect the snake? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Bright202

So what your saying is that if I spray my tank lets say 1 week after the treatment has been sprayed it won't affect the snake? :confused:

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Bingo!

Thats the way it sounds

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So what your saying is that if I spray my tank lets say 1 week after the treatment has been sprayed it won't affect the snake? :confused:

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In a nutshell, once it dries, it's completely safe AND still effective even after cleaning.

Anyone still think Equate is better? LMAO!

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

In a nutshell, once it dries, it's completely safe AND still effective even after cleaning.

Anyone still think Equate is better? LMAO!

Hope that helps.

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Thank you so much. I can't wait to make him mite free!

Anyone else wanna share some stories?

can i spray the PAM on a rag, then rub it on the snake avoiding the eyes, mouth, nose & vents?

EdShal, I don't think that would be a good idea. QT your snake and treat it's enclosure. Follow the directions on the can.

thanks, slim.

the direction on the can is rather confusing. hhehee..

my snake doesnt have mite tho... but as my order of the can just arrive... can i use it as a preventive measures kinda thing? advices?

basically, this is my plan of attack if i got a mite infestion. we just let the mite on the snake. Then a 15-20mins warm bath & drink for the snake, then a 15-20mins diluted betadine solution bath. then we PAM spray the tank, hides & covers (excluding waterbowls) scrubbing the sides, cornes everything & try to cover the PAM all over. Give it time to dry, and no clouds or mist are left. to be save give it a couple of hour to dry-up and ventilate. then put in snake back. repeat a 2nd procedure after 2 weeks, for a total mite-free enviroment. Did i summarised that correctly?

My herp vet always tells me to use olive oil on my snakes instead of any spray. But that is directly for the snake not for the enclosure. He said that olive oil helps drown them and is not harmful at all.
I use this http://www.petdiscounters.com/Mite-G...der-p7758.html for the habitats and it works really well. I especially rub it into the edges and corners. I usually use the spray for the snakes themselves. My vet approved. Now I don't use the dust for my hoggie or my sandboa since they both like to bury and dig so I just use the spray on their tanks every cleaning which is usually once to twice a week.

here is the spray. http://www.reptilesupply.com/product...oducts_id=2408

I always buy from petdiscounters.com they have the best deals for the mite spray as well as other things.

Spray for two seconds moving the can the length of the enclosure to cover the substrate. you dont need much.

Let it sit for about 10 seconds, waving your hand over the substrate to get rid of the fumes.

Place snake back in tub, and done!

Its really simple!

Approximately how long do you wait before putting the snake back in the enclosure. An hour or upto even a day? Also, its unsafe to feed on treated substrate? What do you recommend if the snake won't feed in another enclosure? I'm currently raising a young BCC and would be nervous about feeding in another enclosure because of stress/regurge issues.

Maybe instead of treating substrate would it be enough to treat the cage itself and then make sure you are putting in clean substrate?

If the snake won't eat out of its enclosure, missing one or even a few meals won't hurt it, assuming it is otherwise healthy and well fed. The substrate needs a full change periodically, even if you only spot clean most of the time, so you can resume feeding in the enclosure at that time.

However, it is probably better to get rid of your old substrate when you start treatment, because it is likely full of mites and mite eggs. Use paper towels or newspaper while treating, then go back to your preferred substrate once you are sure the infestation has been wiped out.

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Originally Posted by skaplan86

Approximately how long do you wait before putting the snake back in the enclosure. An hour or upto even a day? Also, its unsafe to feed on treated substrate? What do you recommend if the snake won't feed in another enclosure? I'm currently raising a young BCC and would be nervous about feeding in another enclosure because of stress/regurge issues.

Maybe instead of treating substrate would it be enough to treat the cage itself and then make sure you are putting in clean substrate?

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I have a can in the snake room, but i'm too lazy to go grab it. Im pretty sure the directions say to wait 30 minutes to make sure any fumes are gone and that they spray is dry, I wait at least that, sometimes up to 45 or an hour. Generally I feed the snakes in a separate container (im lucky enough, mine dont care where they are when they eat) and by the time they're done I can safely put them back in their regular enclosures.

[QUOTE=mooingtricycle;980717]Spray for two seconds moving the can the length of the enclosure to cover the substrate. you dont need much.

Let it sit for about 10 seconds, waving your hand over the substrate to get rid of the fumes.

Place snake back in tub, and done!

Its really simple!

according to the directions on the can after spraying: "ventilate the enclosure well until spray has completely dried and all vapors have dissipated".
how can this happen in 10 seconds? did you mean 10 minutes?

I'd would like definite answer on this please lol I treated my cage a few days ago and it's feeding time. My bp knows it is because he keeps following me when I walk pass. So can I feed on treated substrate?