Multiple Morph Dads, to a normal female....combos?

Me and Ben were chatting last night and we were talking about some combos we wanted to make, that haven't bin made before. We got on the subject of multiple dads to a normal female. He said the sperms can mix, and I said they couldn't. So I am wondering, who is right? lol. Like a spider and pastel breed to a normal female, would you get bees? Or not. Please solve our question.:D

I don't know but it doesn't seem likely. I know twins can happen, but how the hell would sperm be able to mix together that way? It doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by darkangel

I don't know but it doesn't seem likely. I know twins can happen, but how the hell would sperm be able to mix together that way? It doesn't make sense.

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The embryo splits, after its been fertilized, to make twins.

But can 2 different sperm combine, to make one?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

The embryo splits, after its been fertilized, to make twins.

But can 2 different sperm combine, to make one?

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I am pretty sure that is not possible, although crazy thing have happened in the world of genetics...

Only one sperm per baby produced. If on the off chance that two sperm did make it into the egg at the exact same moment (very highly unlikely), there would be too many chromosomes inside, 3n instead of 2n, and the egg would not survive. There can be multiple fertilized eggs inside one shell though; fraternal twins sharing the same eggshell.

-Evan

I have heard of multiple Dads fertilizing the same clutch but not the same egg. I would think the two different sprem would have to fertilize simultaneously, very unlikely but I guess somewhat possible?

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

Only one sperm per baby produced. If on the off chance that two sperm did make it into the egg at the exact same moment (very highly unlikely), there would be too many chromosomes inside, 3n instead of 2n, and the egg would not survive. There can be multiple fertilized eggs inside one shell though; fraternal twins sharing the same eggshell.

-Evan

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exactly. not possible.

if that normal female were to pop out some eggs it could happen that spiders and maybe a pastel were produced. kind of like in this thread: http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=51309

but the spider sperm and pastel sperm couldn't swap genes before fertilizing, or anything like that.

Why, when I read this forum subject, did I suddenly hear Maury Povich's voice say "You... are NOT the father!"

YYEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH *BLEEP BLEEEP BLEEEEEEPP* you *BLEEEP* *BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*

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Originally Posted by bait4snake

Why, when I read this forum subject, did I suddenly hear Maury Povich's voice say "You... are NOT the father!"

YYEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH *BLEEP BLEEEP BLEEEEEEPP* you *BLEEEP* *BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*

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LOL nice...

How is it that Maury went from a legit talk show to the jerry-springer crap he does now?

Its gettin deep on this thread :carrot:

I am pretty visual so let me draw a picture...

It is possible to breed a male spider and male pastel to a normal female and have offspring that is spider, pastel and normal...but it isn't possible as far as I know to get a bumblebee out of that breeding.

By breeding a pastel and spider both to a single female, you will get spiders, pastels, and normals. Nothing else.


You have to remember that in order for any animal to be conceived, it a copy of chromosomes from the father and a copy from the mother.
If the mother is normal, she can only give normal chromosomes. :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by MPenn

By breeding a pastel and spider both to a single female, you will get spiders, pastels, and normals. Nothing else.

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I agree. We ran several co-dom males through the same normal females this year and produced some clutches that had two morphs in it (none with 3 though).

This next season, I think I'm going to try running some co-dom males with a morph female and see what happens . . . I'm trying to determine if the probablity is impacted if the sperm from more than one male fertilizes the eggs in a clutch. In other words, can I cut down on the number of normals using mulitple males? I don't think so, but what the heck . . . it's fun trying. :carrot:

Here is my first clutch with more than one morph (pastel and mojave):

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...-pastel001.jpg

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Originally Posted by Alice

Here is my first clutch with more than one morph (pastel and mojave):

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...-pastel001.jpg

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Alice,
We also had a clutch this year that hatched out both Mojaves and a Pastel. Nice looking Pastel by the way.