Hog-Dogging...

Hog-Dogging?????? - not for the feignt of heart. (Video link from CNN)

Hunters claim that allowing their dogs to chase/catch feral pigs (?) in pens teaches their dogs how to hunt. :eek:

You have got to be kidding me! This in IMO is just as sick as dog fighting, c0ck fighting, etc.

This is no different than dog fighting, really. Just because they're pigs (feral or otherwise) does not make this kind of cruelty (and I do believe, based on those videos, that it is cruel) acceptable---for hunting purposes or not.

I am far from an animal activist, I do think hunting has its place as do hunting dogs and training thereof, but as mentioned, dogs are NOT meant to just latch onto wild pigs---they're meant to corner them long enough so that a hunter can get in and shoot.

This 'training' is nothing more than a redneck get-around for dog fighting (people pay to watch it---that makes it a spectator 'sport' or entertainment and that's drawing the line). One-sided dog fighting (ie: the pig is at a HUGE disadvantage), but dog fighting nonetheless. This kind of 'training' is dangerous---put those dogs out in a REAL hunting atmosphere and I guarantee you once they'd try to blindly latch on as they're teaching them to do, they'll get gored on a tusk or mauled by a wild pig who doesn't have 4-5 large rednecks hovering around.

Of course these 'hunters' are probably the kind that set up feeding traps for deer and then brag about how awesome of a hunter they are. Losers.

How pathetic. They give rednecks a bad name. :(

I would say those are hillbillies...rednecks are different... in my book anyways.:P

And I agree Alison...if they were using them to bait wild game so a hunter could finish the kill...that is a bit better....but having the dogs kill the game are not what they were bred for.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

How pathetic. They give rednecks a bad name. :(

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That would assume they had a good name before? :D

I bet they live right near that sick little kid that shot the enormous pig 12 times with a pistol. They're "hunting". Yeah.

I think they are more like dumba**es.

not rednecks.

just sayin'

Ok I hog hunt every year and heres how most dogs are trained. They normally do train one or two dogs that way. The animal (hog) is later finished off quickly and not kept injured like that however its normally put down and used for food. But new dogs are then put with an older experienced dog and the new dogs learn from them during the hunt. The dogs normally are not used to kill the hog but rather to find and keep the hog in one place till the hunters get there much like coon or squirrel hunting. Using dogs are not needed all the time we do most of the time hunt by scouting, tracking, stalking the hogs loads more fun.

Since I do this I would love to answer any questions to try and keep the "well I heard" or the "I bet they" down and bring some truth to keep the crap out.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Since I do this I would love to answer any questions to try and keep the "well I heard" or the "I bet they" down.

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I have a question for ya then Freakmaster frog :D

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What breed of dogs do you use?

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Originally Posted by JBallPython

...if they were using them to bait wild game so a hunter could finish the kill...that is a bit better....but having the dogs kill the game are not what they were bred for.

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Exactly.

This 'hotdogging' garbage is just a dog-hog fight.....it has nothing to do with hunting.....those idiots give hunters a bad name. Dog-hog fighting is illegal in most states too.....and I am pretty sure it is covered in that new federal law banning cockfighting and dog fighting as well.

On a side note.....

From someone that has been hunting with dogs several times, it is not as cruel or bad as some would make you believe. And it gives you alot of respect for the dogs.

When we used to run hogs with dogs, the dogs always kept a distance from the hog. They simply track it down for the hunter. I know people that run racoons, squirrels, doves, and rabbits too. And duck hunting dogs as well. That is what the dogs were bred to do...why not let them do it ;)

And actually hunting with dogs does not require less on the hunters' part.....they still have to train the dog. That is tons of work.

I think hunting should involve dogs more actually. When canines are used when hunting, the chance of lost game goes down significantly. The less 'waste' associated with hunting the better IMO.

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

I have a question for ya then Freakmaster frog :D

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What breed of dogs do you use?

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We use a cross of Walkers and Red Coon Hound. The Pits they were using were unnecessary in the biggest since of the word. Using a dog like that you mean for the dog to inflict harm on the prey. And I would have to agree that they are doing it as a sick sport under the gise of training. Our dogs are for tracking and maintaining the hog position in an area. ;D And are trained to stay out of the hogs way but keep it in an area. :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

We use a cross of Walkers and Red Coon Hound. The Pits they were using were unnecessary in the biggest since of the word. Using a dog like that you mean for the dog to inflict harm on the prey. And I would have to agree that they are doing it as a sick sport under the gise of training. Our dogs are for tracking and maintaining the hog position in an area. ;D And are trained to stay out of the hogs way but keep it in an area. :D:D:D

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Good answer.

Using any bully breed like shown in the vid is like bringing back bull baiting only not using bulls (or bears) as bait.

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

Good answer.

Using any bully breed like shown in the vid is like bringing back bull baiting only not using bulls (or bears) as bait.

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Susan is the smartness! Wicked cool!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

And I would have to agree that they are doing it as a sick sport under the gise of training.

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Yep.....and people abusing that sort of 'loop-hole' to get away with those things are going to completely ruin it for hunters.

It is always the few idiots that screw something up for the whole.

It would be interesting to see if guidelines for people hunting with dogs were similar to the guidelines placed on falconers.....

....i think it would be a completely different story then.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

It would be interesting to see if guidelines for people hunting with dogs were similar to the guidelines placed on falconers.....

....i think it would be a completely different story then.

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Who would read the guidelines to the hunters? :D

I keed, I keed!! Hunt away, I'm damn hungry...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Susan is the smartness! Wicked cool!

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she is completely underestimated and junk.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

she is completely underestimated and junk.

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Not by me!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

The Pits they were using were unnecessary in the biggest since of the word. Using a dog like that you mean for the dog to inflict harm on the prey. And I would have to agree that they are doing it as a sick sport under the gise of training.

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Personally, I disagree.

The APBT is an exceptional boar-hunting dog for the fact that it has strong jaws and is unlimitedly versatile and agile. The point of a boar-dog is to grab the pig and not let go until the hunter gets close enough to kill. If the dog *were* to accidentally slip, the hunter could be seriously maimed or killed by boar tusks. The dog, of course, is in similar danger.

Knowing the strength of my dog's jaws is what i'm placing my life in, i would absolutely opt for a Pit, as theirs are among the strongest available, and their gameness assures that they will continue doing their job until they just... can't anymore. Those dogs in the vid are not fighting the pig, they're holding it - which is the point and essential for proper training.

I'm not personally a boar-hunter, so i've got mixed feelings about the practice. I do own an APBT, though, and i'm pretty sure i wouldn't want anything but one of her if i *were* to participate. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Morphie

The APBT is an exceptional boar-hunting dog for the fact that it has strong jaws and is unlimitedly versatile and agile. The point of a boar-dog is to grab the pig and not let go until the hunter gets close enough to kill. If the dog *were* to accidentally slip, the hunter could be seriously maimed or killed by boar tusks. The dog, of course, is in similar danger.

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......where did you get this tid-bit of information from since you are not involved in the practice?

When we hunt hogs with dogs.......the dog rarely every 'graps on to the pig'...and if they ever try to do so they quickly learn their lesson.....The dogs simply corner the hog.....no contact what-so-ever.....

Hmm...

I think I would have to disagre with you on that one Morphie.

I also am an owner of a few APBT's but I would NEVER want my dogs or any APBT for that matter involved in bull baiting/bear baiting/boar hunting whatever you want to call it.

With the bad rep the breed has already, this so called "sport" will only do more damage. Its kinda like putting more full on a fire thats already burning uncontrollably.

Just my opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by Morphie

Personally, I disagree.

The APBT is an exceptional boar-hunting dog for the fact that it has strong jaws and is unlimitedly versatile and agile. The point of a boar-dog is to grab the pig and not let go until the hunter gets close enough to kill. If the dog *were* to accidentally slip, the hunter could be seriously maimed or killed by boar tusks. The dog, of course, is in similar danger.

Knowing the strength of my dog's jaws is what i'm placing my life in, i would absolutely opt for a Pit, as theirs are among the strongest available, and their gameness assures that they will continue doing their job until they just... can't anymore. Those dogs in the vid are not fighting the pig, they're holding it - which is the point and essential for proper training.

I'm not personally a boar-hunter, so i've got mixed feelings about the practice. I do own an APBT, though, and i'm pretty sure i wouldn't want anything but one of her if i *were* to participate. :shrug:

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And yet your trying to give advice to someone that is. See the hunter carries a gun to kill the hog so the dog(s) don't have to hold the animal just get it to quit running long enough for me to get there. And if you stay close to your dogs when your hunting theres no need for them to hold on.

P.S name me one hunter that would try to put a bullet in a hog while its thrashing and tossing around and the dogs holding on. Good way to shoot a dog.

Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by Morphie

The APBT is an exceptional boar-hunting dog for the fact that it has strong jaws and is unlimitedly versatile and agile. The point of a boar-dog is to grab the pig and not let go until the hunter gets close enough to kill.

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Wouldn't a dog physically holding a pig till the hunter gets to it be a lot like tying a turkey to a tree and then shooting it? Where's the sport in that?

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

the dog(s) don't have to hold the animal just get it to quit running long enough for me to get there.

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funny story....

....one of the best 'hog dogs' that I have seen was some strange looking mutt.....like a beagle rat terrier mix.....quick and loud makes for a good hunting dog for hogs...and it was very small, so it took up very little room in the boat.......ha ha

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

P.S name me one hunter that would try to put a bullet in a hog while its thrashing and tossing around and the dogs holding on. Good way to shoot a dog.

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Most of the guys that I know that hunt with dogs are very 'sensitive' about their dogs....more like children or a best friend (hunting buddy) than dogs. No way would they want to risk the possibility of shotting their dog.

Seriously, I find it easier to get my pork chops at the supermarket. They are all nicely wrapped up and ready to cook. Who's with me!?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Most of the guys that I know that hunt with dogs are very 'sensitive' about their dogs....more like children or a best friend (hunting buddy) than dogs. No way would they want to risk the possibility of shotting their dog.

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Bingo hunting dogs are golden. The money, time and all that goes in to them. The time you spend with them. I would never risk one of my dogs like that.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Seriously, I find it easier to get my pork chops at the supermarket. They are all nicely wrapped up and ready to cook. Who's with me!?

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Me, me! Pick me! I was definitely born in the right century! I'd be lost without my supermarkets! :D

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Seriously, I find it easier to get my pork chops at the supermarket. They are all nicely wrapped up and ready to cook. Who's with me!?

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that's what I'm sayin!

no fuss no muss.

:rockon:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Seriously, I find it easier to get my pork chops at the supermarket. They are all nicely wrapped up and ready to cook. Who's with me!?

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Brudder you ain't had gud jambulaya till you done had it wid da hog sausage ova in it.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Brudder you ain't had gud jambulaya till you done had it wid da hog sausage ova in it.

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That must be a southern thing.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

That must be a southern thing.

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Git it rite!!! MAANN its a Suthen Thang

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Brudder you ain't had gud jambulaya till you done had it wid da hog sausage ova in it.

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I had that for dinra last night!

but it was Zataran's.


:giggle:

and I used chicken. prepackaged of course.

:)

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

I had that for dinra last night!

but it was Zataran's.


:giggle:

and I used chicken. prepackaged of course.

:)

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What kind of southern girl are you..No need to answer, I know already! :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

And yet your trying to give advice to someone that is. See the hunter carries a gun to kill the hog so the dog(s) don't have to hold the animal just get it to quit running long enough for me to get there.

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Admittedly I'm not in as good of a position to discuss the matter as you seem to be, as i've never done it.

I have, however, read every piece of text i could find about the species/breeds of animals i keep, and in more than one place i've heard described the technique i shared with you.

I don't know if it's better or worse. I do know that pitties are working dogs, and i guess, if i were to use the baiting sort of technique, i'd want one on my side.

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Originally Posted by Morphie

I have, however, read every piece of text i could find about the species/breeds of animals i keep, and in more than one place i've heard described the technique i shared with you.

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I guess that is one problem that 'hunters' face.....different methods for the same form of hunting.

People would be more content with banning hunting with dogs because of the method you described, yet with the method that Ed and I were talking of I really don't see any issues. However, if legislation were passed it would probably be for the general "hunting with dogs" and all would be banned.

Same goes for stuff we see in the reptile community. So many places want to put a ban/licensing on ALL snakes/lizards when only one are two are the issue.

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Originally Posted by Morphie

Admittedly I'm not in as good of a position to discuss the matter as you seem to be, as i've never done it.

I have, however, read every piece of text i could find about the species/breeds of animals i keep, and in more than one place i've heard described the technique i shared with you.

I don't know if it's better or worse. I do know that pitties are working dogs, and i guess, if i were to use the baiting sort of technique, i'd want one on my side.

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Agreed pits do make fine hog dogs. But the people that use them lack the experience in hunting to not. Its like using wrecking ball to drive a nail. Yea it'll do it all day every day. But its not necessarily the best method.

Around here, people who use pigs to bait their pits do so to train the dogs in preparation for entering the pit. They do that before the pit can go in on the chain, got to get the dog used to attacking and what not. When I think of hogs and dogs in the same sentence I normally think of dog fighting, that's all I've ever seen dogs and pigs together for.

Of course that clip seemed like it took place in some suburbs or rural area, but in the city if I see some pigs in somebody backyards, I can almost guarantee they also have a collection of pits

My uncle has used Hog Dogs in the past(I assume some of my cousins still do). The dog does sometimes "hold" the pig if necessary. Training was done exactly as mentioned above with one experianced dog 'training' the next. Dogs holding a pig only grab it to keep it from running off, and can be called off by the owner. Hogs are not shot with a dog on them.
Dogs owned by my uncle were not "fought" in a pen with a caged pig.
I think personally that some folks thought it would be 'cool' to stage a pig/dog fight to show off the 'gameness' of their hog dog, and it's degenerated to the currant hog/dog fighting which serves no purpose whatsoever in my opinion.
The Hog-Dog fights are no better than pit fighting or bear baiting in cruelty IMO. Hog dogs have a place in hunting, and hunting pigs for food is no more wrong to me than killing a captive pig to eat it. As long as it's done humanely, not dropping a feral pig into a pen to be gnawed at for hours for the entertainment of a crowd.