nicaraguan, hog island breeders?

Who are some reputable breeders I can buy either a nic or hog island boa from. I have look and am getting rather frustrated find these localities.

I am not looking for any morphs or hets, just a nice boa that will stay rather small for me to love :D

I would start with:

- Gus at Rio Bravo Reptiles
- Sean or Celia at Exotics by Nature

Both are very reputable and have quality boas. If neither of them have any available, they may have some good recommendations for other breeders. =)

where have you looked? and what's reputable? like jeff ronne reputable(hint hint)? But what are you actually looking for? Gus has both, but there are many that do one of the other.

By reputable I mean someone who I can be assured will send me a healthy animal that is what it as sold as. And pretty much I just want a BCI locality that will stay smaller then a cloumbian. And breeders that do either hogs or nics is fine.

I have looked on kingsnake and a few breeders site, but none that really stood out.

The extra foot wont really make a difference, and I know some wise person will make some comment, but majority of the time, if a boa will have a nasty disposition it will be a Nicaraguan or Hogg island rather then a Colombian.

I'm not saying all Nics and Hoggs are nasty, or that all Colombians are tame, but Ive read a lot of cases of Hoggs can have nasty cage aggression.

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

The extra foot wont really make a difference, and I know some wise person will make some comment, but majority of the time, if a boa will have a nasty disposition it will be a Nicaraguan or Hogg island rather then a Colombian.

I'm not saying all Nics and Hoggs are nasty, or that all Colombians are tame, but Ive read a lot of cases of Hoggs can have nasty cage aggression.

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What the hell are you talking about, now you're just making it up... right, right you heard it from a guy, sorry my fault.



Anyway, for a hogg try jeff ronne, try Paul Mitchell, try Gus or try Vin Russo. THere are other people to go look at, but unless the person can give you history then you can never be sure if the hog is pure, or whatever, ask aleesha, she bought her Drake as a pure hog, but he's not. For Nics, look around, they're kinda spotty CB, because there many don't keep them pure it would seem, although Snake Keeper has some, as does uhhhhh, names escaping me at the moment, but I'll get back to you. If you find WC/farmed imported then ask for CITES documents if you want, because they'll tell you country of origin. I have CB nics, and I have a friend who is selling some of his nics, but they're not normals, so probably quite a bit more than you're looking to pay. Other than that, look around, and if you see ads for nics talk to the person and try and figure out what their deal is, and if they seem legit.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

What the hell are you talking about, now you're just making it up... right, right you heard it from a guy, sorry my fault.

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I got it from red tail forums...

let me paste some replies I got from a boa forum (unlike people talking about Boas on a BP forum, who most likely don't know as much. Sucks when I actually do my research, doesn't it ;))

This guy has been a member on boa forums for 2 years

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Originally Posted by monkeywrench133

"Columbian" and "Central American" are just the common, slang, names for the same thing, Boa Constrictor Imperator, which is what most people think of when they are talking about Boas.

Hogg Island and Nicaraguan boas are Locality specific "breeds" of BCI. Personally, I wouldn't recommend either. Yes, they tend to stay smaller than "normal" BCI, but their dispostions tend to be worse, in some cases, much worse.

I think you're best bet is a plain BCI. Yes, they may get a little bigger than 6.5ft, but they are normally very docile, and that extra foot won't make any difference.

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Originally Posted by monkeywrench133

Let me ask you this: Which would you be more afraid of? a 7ft normal that was very docile and handlable, or a 5.5ft hogg that's going to bite the crap out of you every time you try to handle it?

My point is this, if you think you're going to be apprehensive, go with the boa that is going to be least aggressive. Which, I'm willing to bet, will be the normal 7footer.

And either would be perfectly comfortable in a 4ft x 2ft cage btw.

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And to also prove my point, I will type this word for word from the Boa Constrictor Manual just to prove you wrong

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Originally Posted by The Boa Constrictor Manual

Docility

Some generalizations can be made about the temperament of boa constrictors. Generally, Colombian boa constrictors have the most docile temperament, while imported Mexican and Central American boas tend to be more nervous and aggressive. "Aggressive" behaviors in boa constrictors, such as striking and biting, are typically defensive reactions to perceived threats.

Many of the insular forms of boa constrictors, such as the Hogg Island, clouded, and St. Lucia boas, tend to be aggressive. All forms of boa constrictors are more decile and easily handled when raised from captive born neonates.

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Honestly stop talking like you know everything, because obviously you don't. This book was co-authored by Jeff Ronne. All I made were generalizations, not facts.

I'll admit, Erin is a good guy. And I don't act like I know everything because I don't, at all. But you make wild claims with nothing to back them up. Nics have a reputation simply because they're mostly WC or farmed. Usually CB animals will be tamer, it's just how it goes. You say hog's are as docile as Colombians? not true, where'd you pull that one from. The part from the book that you seem to not notice is he's talking about IMPORTS, you highlighted only the parts that suited your arguments, and glossed over what didn't suit you, which was the import parts.
My point was your generalizations suck. CB animals as a whole are calmer, even nics. You speak like nics are the devil, and like you've ever had any experience with them, and you have not. Currently I have 7 nics, 5 FARMED IMPORTED bluefields and 2 CB normal nics. I think I have a whole lot more experience than you do on this particular subject, so how bout we just leave it at that. You make biased generalizations, and you're afraid of nics because you don't deal with them and I have 7.

You shouldn't discredit a person's question, because you have an irrational fear of the snake in question, that's just ridiculous.

BTW, I'm on this forum most because it's the most active, I post elsewhere as well, so nice one.

:8: Owned.

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Unrelated : qik your PM box is full.

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Unrelated : qik your PM box is full.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

I'll admit, Erin is a good guy. And I don't act like I know everything because I don't, at all. But you make wild claims with nothing to back them up. Nics have a reputation simply because they're mostly WC or farmed.

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These "wild claims" are all from posts on a redtailboa forum. Nothing too wild there.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Usually CB animals will be tamer, it's just how it goes. You say hog's are as docile as Colombians? not true, where'd you pull that one from.

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I dint say they were as docile, I said they were more aggressive. And if you read the quote.... it says NOTHING about imported Hoggs, just Hoggs in general. I have heard of cage aggression with Hoggs, just giving him a fair warning.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

The part from the book that you seem to not notice is he's talking about IMPORTS, you highlighted only the parts that suited your arguments, and glossed over what didn't suit you, which was the import parts.

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It said Colombians generally were the most tame.... theres nothing you can argue about that. Thats all my point was... generally

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

My point was your generalizations suck.

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No, but what if this guy ends up getting an aggressive Nic or Hogg just because he wanted a boa one-two feet smaller then a Colombian which, is said to be the most docile by majority of boa keepers. Then what are you going to say?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

CB animals as a whole are calmer, even nics. You speak like nics are the devil, and like you've ever had any experience with them, and you have not.

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Never said I have, and never said they were the devil. Just warning that they tend to be more aggressive. I never stated it as a fact that he will get a poop slinging snappy snake. Although I guess thats what you think

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Currently I have 7 nics, 5 FARMED IMPORTED bluefields and 2 CB normal nics. I think I have a whole lot more experience than you do on this particular subject, so how bout we just leave it at that. You make biased generalizations, and you're afraid of nics because you don't deal with them and I have 7.

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I guess you do have more experience... like I said, not all are aggressive, and I don't think I can pound it in your head, you seem to think I keep stating it as a fact.

The perfect example is crime rates. African Americans tend to have a higher rate of committing a crime then compared to a white person. That doesn't mean they always will, and if a mom has 10 African American children, all of them can all live their whole live without going to jail. That doesn't change the fact that they still have a higher crime rate on average compared to a white person.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

You shouldn't discredit a person's question, because you have an irrational fear of the snake in question, that's just ridiculous.

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Are you just spewing crap out of your mouth? I don't even know how to answer that....

I posted the same exact question pretty much as him on boa forum, and I'm passing the info on that I got from people who know what they're talking about

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

BTW, I'm on this forum most because it's the most active, I post elsewhere as well, so nice one.

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Thats great, just saying everyone over there knows what they are talking about, and you have to chime in cause your in a pissy mood every time I share information I was given from people who know what they are talking about. Wanna dispute it with Erin? All I did was change his words.

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

All I did was change his words.

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well that wouldn't be a quote now would it?


and what are these imported hogs you speak of?

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well that wouldn't be a quote now would it?

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Right, all I did was try to remember what he said because I didn't wanna copy and paste what he had said, but I guess I did anyway. So I guess just to prevent you from saying I am just spewing lies out of mouth every time I try and help someone, I will copy and paste stuff.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

and what are these imported hogs you speak of?

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I don't know what your talking about...but..... If your talking about the cage aggression Hoggs, I was given the same symptoms of snakes biting at the cage when the owners would walk by, but when taken out, were angels.

If thats not what you were talking about, then ignore that.

well, my point was that hog's aren't imported anymore, and there is doubt that they occur in the wild at all, and if they do whether they can sustain a healthy population. I was discrediting your argument, because you made a false statement about importation, that was all.

Cage aggression can happen anywhere. I think this thread is terribly amusing, but you need to realize that an aggressive animal can be found in any population. I feel from my narrow experiences that nics have an undeserved reputation, but the fact that you say they're horrible really pisses me off, because you have never dealt with them. So to reiterate what I just said, some of any animal (or creature for that matter) can be vicious. Hell, if I were dragged from the wild and put in a cage, I'd bite everyone too.

But even the newer trio of bluefields I bought, the guy told me they were terribly mean. I think he's kind of a sissy, because I have only been bitten once, and that was taking them out of the bag.

Although it doesn't help you to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about, when all the experience you've had with the thing in question is from a book. I have read about many species, and I could tell you how to keep them in captivity, but I wouldn't dare say that I knew what their personality as a species is. I find that to be closed minded and ridiculous, I would rather have first hand experience before commenting on something that is more abstract such as personalities.

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well, my point was that hog's aren't imported anymore, and there is doubt that they occur in the wild at all, and if they do whether they can sustain a healthy population. I was discrediting your argument, because you made a false statement about importation, that was all.

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Thats why I said I dont know what your talking about... I dont remember mentioning wild or imported Hogg's. The ones with Cage agg were CBB or CH I am pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Cage aggression can happen anywhere. I think this thread is terribly amusing, but you need to realize that an aggressive animal can be found in any population. I feel from my narrow experiences that nics have an undeserved reputation, but the fact that you say they're horrible really pisses me off, because you have never dealt with them.

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Never said they were horrible.... you just keep putting words in my mouth, and its really annoying, just like you thought I said all nics are devils, which I definitely did not.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

So to reiterate what I just said, some of any animal (or creature for that matter) can be vicious. Hell, if I were dragged from the wild and put in a cage, I'd bite everyone too.

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I guess thats true.... but some animals will always have a bad disposition.

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Although it doesn't help you to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about, when all the experience you've had with the thing in question is from a book.

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But I am assuming the person who wrote this book has more experience then you.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

I have read about many species, and I could tell you how to keep them in captivity, but I wouldn't dare say that I knew what their personality as a species is. I find that to be closed minded and ridiculous, I would rather have first hand experience before commenting on something that is more abstract such as personalities.

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Ok, all I did was copy and paste first hand experience from other people, I don't see what the difference is?

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

Ok, all I did was copy and paste first hand experience from other people, I don't see what the difference is?

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Maybe that's what his problem with it is. You're copying and posting other people's experience as your own, when he has actually irl experience that says otherwise.

In other news, qik your signature is quickly turning me into a paranoid schizophrenic.

When I copy and paste.... I am using quotes to show it. So I am def not taking credit for their experience.